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PS3 officially lost the console war : Final Fantasy XIII now on Xbox 360

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:14 PM
Unbelievable. Microsoft just dropped nuke on Sony. This and Netflix, It's over. Microsoft won the console war against Sony.

hatt
07-14-2008, 01:15 PM
:spam:

ssjLancer
07-14-2008, 01:18 PM
Kind of saw this coming since the 'white engine' is kind of multiplatform oriented.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:18 PM
1. 90% of Blu-Ray players are PS3.
2. PS3 just surrendered with FF13's defection to Xbox 360.
3. In gaming world, FF13 announcement is akin to Warner Blu-Ray announcement. It was the last nail in PS3's coffin.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:21 PM
Everybody's just stunned, with major gaming boards down by the news.

Basically Hiroshima(Netflix) and Nagasaki(Final Fantasy XIII) today, Sony cannot continue to fight.

LonnyE
07-14-2008, 01:22 PM
Deadmeat while I am sure it is interesting news in the console world might you clue me in on why it is important to put this news in the HDM thread?

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Deadmeat while I am sure it is interesting news in the console world might you clue me in on why it is important to put this news in the HDM thread?
1. 90% of Blu-Ray players are PS3.
2. PS3 just surrendered with FF13's defection to Xbox 360.
3. In gaming world, FF13 announcement is akin to Warner Blu-Ray announcement. It was the last nail in PS3's coffin.

Nikopol
07-14-2008, 01:24 PM
:spam:

QFT

:lol:

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:26 PM
1. PS3 kills Toshiba HD-DVD player
2. Xbox 360 kills PS3.
3. Xbox 360 is the last man standing. Microsoft's plan of world domination is now complete.

kamspy
07-14-2008, 01:40 PM
:roflmao:

There is no 'console war'

Every generation of consoles has had at least 2-3 viable systems.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 01:52 PM
:roflmao:

There is no 'console war'

Every generation of consoles has had at least 2-3 viable systems.

http://kotaku.com/5025018/final-fantasy-xiii-coming-to-xbox-360



And with that, Bill Gates asks Sony. "Where is your god now?"

Mike, did you guys have to get in the reserve servers? GameSpot, IGN and like 30 other sites went down in nuclear fire right after the announcement hit.

As a PS3 owner, this is my 1st Sony console, and as someone who has never played the Final Fantasy games, is FF13 really that big of a deal to be on the XBox 360? I saw over on 1up a lot of comments about no reason to buy6 a PS3 now, and Sony is now dead, but having never played the FF series, is it that serious?

kamspy
07-14-2008, 02:01 PM
Bungie.net has a countdown splash screen going right now with a few messages being looped.

One of them is "Final Notice: Bill Past Due"

Could be a reference to them being less than rosy with MS seeing as they single handedly made the Xbox brand a success, and they aren't bathing in golden bath tubs like the rest of the 360 higher ups. Bungie has more to do with the success of Xbox then MS does. Bungie is now an independent dev house.

Maybe that message means nothing, maybe it means they're bringing something to the PS3 and MS knew it so they bought into FFXIII:what:

I'm not rushing out to rebuy a 360. Been sent 3 too many return coffins. Sold mine off months ago and haven't missed a good game since.

ssjLancer
07-14-2008, 02:06 PM
You guys really have alot of patience with this guy.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Maybe that message means nothing, maybe it means they're bringing something to the PS3 and MS knew it so they bought into FFXIII:what:
If you are thinking of Halo4 on PS3, Microsoft owns copyrights to Halo so it cannot happen. Microsoft kept the kids, the house, and the dog when they divorced.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 02:14 PM
You guys really have alot of patience with this guy.
Well, something like this doesn't happen everyday, so bear with me. I too am still dizzy after the nuclear blast and aftershock.

After all, what happened today is bigger than the Warner announcement in terms of impact on future course of history.

ack_bak
07-14-2008, 02:39 PM
Well, something like this doesn't happen everyday, so bear with me. I too am still dizzy after the nuclear blast and aftershock.

After all, what happened today is bigger than the Warner announcement in terms of impact on future course of history.

Are you serious? Losing exclusivity for this title on the PS3 is a blow, but it is nowhere near as big as the Warner announcement. Warner stopped supporting HD DVD (ie an entire format). FF will still be available to PS3 owners in Europe and NA (it is still exclusive in Japan where it will sell the most copies most likely). And you are seriously trying to say that the PS3 is dead because it lost support for one game? Umm. Okay.

I was actually surprised that MS did not have a new Halo announcement as many 360 fanboy sites predicted. That would have been much bigger than an FF game.

Dare
07-14-2008, 02:46 PM
1. PS3 kills Toshiba HD-DVD player
2. Xbox 360 kills PS3.
3. Xbox 360 is the last man standing. Microsoft's plan of world domination is now complete.

You're assuming all those PS3's were being used primarily for Blu-ray playback in the first place.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 02:57 PM
You're assuming all those PS3's were being used primarily for Blu-ray playback in the first place.
PS3 made up 88% of players utilized to playback Blu-Ray movies according to Fox's research presented at 2008 CES BDA press conference.

Blu-Ray is like a parasite attached to its host(PS3). When the host dies, so does the parasite.

unotis
07-14-2008, 02:58 PM
I wish I could care less.

Since I'm not a gamer, this has no real effect on me and my everyday life.

In my opinion too much of the dead format war's pure hatefulness was caused by gamers hopping on board our format discussions and lowering the level of discussion and debate to juvenile standards.

But, I suppose Sony knew this and added the Blu-Ray to the PS3 not only to get a huge number of players out there in the market but to use the vocal "who love to argue for arguments sake" Gamer lobby to flood the web with loud obnoxious propaganda!

GLOW
07-14-2008, 03:03 PM
After all, what happened today is bigger than the Warner announcement in terms of impact on future course of history.

If you truly believe that then your IQ must be smaller than your shoe size. :lol:

Also, this has NOTHING to do with HDM.

MikeRox
07-14-2008, 03:09 PM
Losing GTA exclusivity was a far bigger blow to Sony than losing FFXIII exclusivity. Your comments are greatly overhyped. I wonder if Sony has anything planned to counter this tomorrow.

This will cost Sony sales, not convinced it will really gain any for Microsoft though. Just one less reason for Xbox 360 owners to go multi platform.

brenner
07-14-2008, 03:16 PM
If you truly believe that then your IQ must be smaller than your shoe size. :lol:

Also, this has NOTHING to do with HDM.

Bingo on both counts!

h0mi
07-14-2008, 03:21 PM
- This does not doom the ps3 in the console war; it merely means it's more unlikely that the ps3 will outsell the 360 in the US.

- The population of people looking to buy a ps3 for this game may still do so; this news just means that a 360 is also an option. This is not likely a group of people who had a significant interest in blu-ray so an impact on blu-ray would be minimal.

jjufon
07-14-2008, 03:29 PM
I still cannot understand why the best Blu-Ray player today is the PS3?
Why is that? There has to a reason, and I doubt it has anything to do with demand. What is preventing someone for bringing a full featured player to market that cost less then the PS3? Are they able to control the market? IDK, but it sure looks like to me.

Also, Im not sure what type of deals game producers have; level of effort (highly doubt it) or firm fixed price (my bet). If FFP, and it takes more labor to dev for the PS3, and if Sony doesnt want to get up any on their end, then I know I would release on the 360 first, and then port over the other. Sort of an F you; you know?
Oh, well.

Type A
07-14-2008, 03:38 PM
PS3 for sale, going cheap....not.

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 03:39 PM
I still cannot understand why the best Blu-Ray player today is the PS3?
Why is that? There has to a reason, and I doubt it has anything to do with demand. What is preventing someone for bringing a full featured player to market that cost less then the PS3?
It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to develop quality Blu-Ray playback software.

SCEI can allocate this kind of resources due to their economy of volume(sells 9 million PS3s a year), standalone Blu-Ray player manufacturers can't. This is why all standalone players from major brands are deficient next to PS3, and why Chinese are effectively blocked from coming up with their own Blu-Ray player models.

Chinese industry's only best hope was HD-DVD which had 99% completed designs handed over to them for replication by Toshiba and Microsoft. Blu-Ray means Chinese shouldn't even bother entering Blu-Ray player business.

Lee Stewart
07-14-2008, 03:41 PM
I still cannot understand why the best Blu-Ray player today is the PS3?
Why is that? There has to a reason, and I doubt it has anything to do with demand. What is preventing someone for bringing a full featured player to market that cost less then the PS3? Are they able to control the market? IDK, but it sure looks like to me.

Also, Im not sure what type of deals game producers have; level of effort (highly doubt it) or firm fixed price (my bet). If FFP, and it takes more labor to dev for the PS3, and if Sony doesnt want to get up any on their end, then I know I would release on the 360 first, and then port over the other. Sort of an F you; you know?
Oh, well.

It is the Cell BE - the heart of the PS3, which is totally different than an SoC which powers a BD SAL player.

To simplify; The SoC has some limitations (like 8bit color processing) built right into it and cannot be changed while the Cell BE just needs a FW UP to reprogram it.

Can a CEM buy Cell BE's and make their own Cell based SAL BD player?

Sure - just call Toshiba - they sell the Cell BE.:lol:

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 03:47 PM
It is the Cell BE - the heart of the PS3, Sure - just call Toshiba - they sell the Cell BE.:lol:
Toshiba doesn't sell PS3 firmware.

Toshiba is very glad to bundle its Super Upconversion DVD player software with your CELL order, however.

brenner
07-14-2008, 03:52 PM
Here we go again.:banghead:

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Damn, EA's FIFA2009 time-exclusive on Xbox 360. It is as if Microsoft is paying for time-exclusivity on any 3rd party title that sells more than 1 million copies.

Kicking your opponent in the mouth while down isn't nice.

scsa
07-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Deadmeat is a moron wow FFX is going to 360 and PS3 it's not like they stole it they get it too which means the playstation fans will buy it on the ps3 even if they have a 360 since the final fantasy games were made on the playstation not the crapbox 360. Plus I bet they make the game better on the playstation 3 too since they have a lot more room to play with and instead of putting it on a dvd they get to put it on a Blu-Ray disc which holds way more then 3 dvds hold.

Stew4HD
07-14-2008, 04:13 PM
Deameat is pouring heavy doom/gloom on the PS3 but, all the same, losing this once PS only franchise game has to hurt a bit. Gamespot does have a big writeup about it.... big news.

MikeRox
07-14-2008, 04:15 PM
But the only "Next gen" FF atm is already on the Xbox 360 :p

Dare
07-14-2008, 04:43 PM
PS3 made up 88% of players utilized to playback Blu-Ray movies according to Fox's research presented at 2008 CES BDA press conference.

Blu-Ray is like a parasite attached to its host(PS3). When the host dies, so does the parasite.

You're backwards. 88% of BD playing devices are PS3's, but how many of all the PS3's are actually used to play BDs?

scsa
07-14-2008, 05:07 PM
and deadmeat how did the ps3 actually lose the game it didn't lose it it will still be on the ps3 so what the 360 is going to port the game wow.

The_Omega_Man
07-14-2008, 05:09 PM
Deadmeat is a moron wow FFX is going to 360 and PS3 it's not like they stole it they get it too which means the playstation fans will buy it on the ps3 even if they have a 360 since the final fantasy games were made on the playstation not the crapbox 360. Plus I bet they make the game better on the playstation 3 too since they have a lot more room to play with and instead of putting it on a dvd they get to put it on a Blu-Ray disc which holds way more then 3 dvds hold.
Let's avoid the name calling please. It has no bearing on the information and generaly only causes senseless flame battles. :what:

The_Omega_Man
07-14-2008, 05:10 PM
You're backwards. 88% of BD playing devices are PS3's, but how many of all the PS3's are actually used to play BDs?
I would guess most of them, if people actually put PS3 game discs in them! :what:

Lee Stewart
07-14-2008, 05:33 PM
You're backwards. 88% of BD playing devices are PS3's, but how many of all the PS3's are actually used to play BDs?

Haven't most of the PS3's shipped either had a BD enclosed, a coupon to buy one at a very low price or a rebate form to get free ones throiugh the mail?

If that is the case - then pretty much almost all of them.

The real question(s) is; how many PS3 owners . . .

1. have an HDTV?

2. continue to buy or rent BD's?

Dr. Jones
07-14-2008, 06:33 PM
Bungie.net has a countdown splash screen going right now with a few messages being looped.

One of them is "Final Notice: Bill Past Due"

Could be a reference to them being less than rosy with MS seeing as they single handedly made the Xbox brand a success, and they aren't bathing in golden bath tubs like the rest of the 360 higher ups. Bungie has more to do with the success of Xbox then MS does. Bungie is now an independent dev house.

Maybe that message means nothing, maybe it means they're bringing something to the PS3 and MS knew it so they bought into FFXIII:what:

I'm not rushing out to rebuy a 360. Been sent 3 too many return coffins. Sold mine off months ago and haven't missed a good game since.

Microsoft still gets first pick on all Bungie games. That was something the PS3 fanboys tried to play down last year, but the fact remains.

It's been rumored now for more than a year that Final Fantasy was going to become a non-ps3 exclusive. Again PS3 Fanboys played this rumor down big time, they said emphatically that it would never happen.

When you boil it all down, the fact is that Sony is on the hook for Billions of dollars for the PS3 and they have, over the last 6 months, had to start cutting costs wherever they could to try and stop the bleeding. The PS3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but it's lost it's #1 spot for this generation. And if they pick it up again, it won't be for a very long time.

P.S. Why are these forums moving so slooooow.

PFC5
07-14-2008, 08:26 PM
Microsoft still gets first pick on all Bungie games. That was something the PS3 fanboys tried to play down last year, but the fact remains.

It's been rumored now for more than a year that Final Fantasy was going to become a non-ps3 exclusive. Again PS3 Fanboys played this rumor down big time, they said emphatically that it would never happen.

When you boil it all down, the fact is that Sony is on the hook for Billions of dollars for the PS3 and they have, over the last 6 months, had to start cutting costs wherever they could to try and stop the bleeding. The PS3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but it's lost it's #1 spot for this generation. And if they pick it up again, it won't be for a very long time.

P.S. Why are these forums moving so slooooow.

I think the PS3 might have a chance to overtake the 360 at some point in the future but many of those units are likely for BD playback, and the infrequent game use. The PS3 is not going anywhere is my thoughts, but never owning or playing the 360 leaves my view useless on which is a better platform for gaming. I just know that Sony has too much into the PS franchise to abandon it at this point.

P.S. The reason is they changed to faster servers, but it seems to be actually much slower for Firefox users currently but they are trying to figure out why. People with IE do not seem to have the problem. You can report the problem in the Feedback section at the bottom but here is the link also:

http://www.highdefforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1

Are you using Firefox by any chance?

kamspy
07-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Microsoft still gets first pick on all Bungie games. That was something the PS3 fanboys tried to play down last year, but the fact remains.

It's been rumored now for more than a year that Final Fantasy was going to become a non-ps3 exclusive. Again PS3 Fanboys played this rumor down big time, they said emphatically that it would never happen.

When you boil it all down, the fact is that Sony is on the hook for Billions of dollars for the PS3 and they have, over the last 6 months, had to start cutting costs wherever they could to try and stop the bleeding. The PS3 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but it's lost it's #1 spot for this generation. And if they pick it up again, it won't be for a very long time.

P.S. Why are these forums moving so slooooow.

There is no contract stating this. MS owns the Halo IP, but the agreement between MS and Bungie on 'first dibs' is only a handshake. There is no contract in place for such an agreement.

Do I think Bungie will jump ship or go mulit-plat? I have no clue. I don't even really care that much. The only game they've ever made for a console is the Halo series, which I haven't thoroughly enjoyed since the first iteration.

Frankly, I'm not overwhelmed with their dev talent. Halo 3 was sub par in every department aside from multiplayer game options. Graphics and gameplay were both vanilla. Story was worse than vanilla.

Keep in mind this is coming from a someone who prefers a finely tuned single player campaign as opposed to online multiplayer.

PFC5
07-14-2008, 08:53 PM
It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to develop quality Blu-Ray playback software.

SCEI can allocate this kind of resources due to their economy of volume(sells 9 million PS3s a year), standalone Blu-Ray player manufacturers can't. This is why all standalone players from major brands are deficient next to PS3, and why Chinese are effectively blocked from coming up with their own Blu-Ray player models.

Chinese industry's only best hope was HD-DVD which had 99% completed designs handed over to them for replication by Toshiba and Microsoft. Blu-Ray means Chinese shouldn't even bother entering Blu-Ray player business.

AH AH AH....Bullshot!

The Chinese ARE making pretty much all the BD SAL players from Japanese/Korean designs/specs already which also includes the PS3 I believe. Now Funai (Japanese company but has China build all their devices I think) is also making lower cost BD players.

Look I wanted HD DVD to win during the war, but lets stick to accurate facts here ok? ;)

kamspy
07-14-2008, 08:59 PM
AH AH AH....Bullshot!

The Chinese ARE making pretty much all the BD SAL players from Japanese/Korean designs/specs already which also includes the PS3 I believe. Now Funai (Japanese company but has China build all their devices I think) is also making lower cost BD players.

Look I wanted HD DVD to win during the war, but lets stick to accurate facts here ok? ;)

Facts are not on Deadmeats agenda. He's banned from every other HD forum on the internet for starting flame bait threads and posting opinion as truth.

We can only hope that he commits a ban-able offense soon. If not, we're in for some flame threads we haven't seen since the height of the format war.:(

Ask anyone on HDD about Deadmeat. You'll get a colorful response no doubt.

scsa
07-14-2008, 09:02 PM
Sorry Omega for calling names but Dead meat is a troll that has been trolling this last few days about the ps3. Sorry again. I see this as a little hurt but not that much since both are going to ps3 and 360 so they as in Microsoft just wasted money on getting a game to go on their platform but not stopping them from going on Sony too so they are already in a whole when the game comes out unlike PS3 who did not pay to have it go to the ps3.

PFC5
07-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Facts are not on Deadmeats agenda. He's banned from every other HD forum on the internet for starting flame bait threads and posting opinion as truth.

We can only hope that he commits a ban-able offense soon. If not, we're in for some flame threads we haven't seen since the height of the format war.:(

Ask anyone on HDD about Deadmeat. You'll get a colorful response no doubt.

Well I will call him out when I know he is wrong and talking BS, but i am not a gamer so I will stick with what I DO know. That is if they can speed up the forum with Firefox as the current glitch is making it hard to keep posting. Luckily I will be away for a few days so I hope they fix it while I am away. :D

DeadmeatHD
07-14-2008, 09:25 PM
AH AH AH....Bullshot!

The Chinese ARE making pretty much all the BD SAL players from Japanese/Korean designs/specs already which also includes the PS3 I believe.
Chinese cannot come up with self-engineered players that they could sell under their own brand at cut-rate pricing, so no point in discussing this.
Who cares what a Blu-Ray players cost to make(Around $170 for a Profile 1.1 player based on my own estimation. Throw in $75 combined DVD/Blu-Ray royalty and a small profit to this figure), CE majors have long decided that the fair price for a Blu-Ray player is $400~700 and that's how much they are going to charge, regardless of what their manufacturing cost is.

Now Funai (Japanese company but has China build all their devices I think) is also making lower cost BD players.
Not much lower than brand players.

but lets stick to accurate facts here ok? ;)
We can discuss accurate facts WHEN YOU HAVE THEM. You don't.

scsa
07-14-2008, 09:26 PM
PFC5 I know what you mean I have to refresh just to post again it does the same to me too.

Dare
07-14-2008, 09:35 PM
I would guess most of them, if people actually put PS3 game discs in them! :what:

Haven't most of the PS3's shipped either had a BD enclosed, a coupon to buy one at a very low price or a rebate form to get free ones throiugh the mail?

If that is the case - then pretty much almost all of them.

The real question(s) is; how many PS3 owners . . .

1. have an HDTV?

2. continue to buy or rent BD's?

Pick nits much? You guys know *exactly* what I'm talking about. :helpme

PFC5
07-14-2008, 11:01 PM
Chinese cannot come up with self-engineered players that they could sell under their own brand at cut-rate pricing, so no point in discussing this.
Who cares what a Blu-Ray players cost to make(Around $170 for a Profile 1.1 player based on my own estimation. Throw in $75 combined DVD/Blu-Ray royalty and a small profit to this figure), CE majors have long decided that the fair price for a Blu-Ray player is $400~700 and that's how much they are going to charge, regardless of what their manufacturing cost is.


Not much lower than brand players.


We can discuss accurate facts WHEN YOU HAVE THEM. You don't.

:haha:

What crusade are you on coming here? You seem to be on the anti-Sony crusade and want to do anything you can to hurt them. I have no problem with not liking Sony as I do not care for them either. I avoid their proprietary products whenever possible.

I also favored HD DVD over BD but have owned both since the launch year. I know the BD companies want to keep prices as high as possible for as long as possible, but if they do that too long they will just be shooting themselves in the foot IMO.

I agree that the Funai BD players are not as cheap as they would need to be for me to consider one for myself but I was mostly calling you out on saying that they would not allow Chinese mfg to make BD players. WHY? Because they already ARE making them. ;)

MikeRox
07-15-2008, 02:44 AM
I agree that the Funai BD players are not as cheap as they would need to be for me to consider one for myself but I was mostly calling you out on saying that they would not allow Chinese mfg to make BD players. WHY? Because they already ARE making them. ;)

Facts don't seem to do so much for him. He only seems to listen to and spout anti PS3 stuff.

It sounds far bigger than it actually is. Square Enix stated publically a few months ago that they were looking to the West for their sales. The US is a large chunk of those Western sales they are gunning for. The Xbox 360 has a significant lead over the PS3 in the US. It seems like common sense to me that FFXIII would go multi format. Most games are going to be multiformat this gen.

We are seeing a split in the gaming communities that hasn't been seen for a very long time (for over a decade it's always been one console dominating world wide) this time it's shaping up to be the 360 leading in the US. The PS3 leading in Japan and then a tie depending on country in Europe. That is an absolute logistical nightmare for 3rd parties with no multiformat plans.

DeadmeatHD
07-15-2008, 08:01 AM
if they do that too long they will just be shooting themselves in the foot IMO.
And they are doing just that, shooting themselves in the foot.

Those Japanese CE executives live in the glory days of VHS, where there were no Chinese and the average selling price was $300. Japanese CE executives see Blu-Ray as a mean to return to those glory days.

I agree that the Funai BD players are not as cheap as they would need to be for me to consider one for myself
They cannot be made cheaper.

but I was mostly calling you out on saying that they would not allow Chinese mfg to make BD players. WHY? Because they already ARE making them. ;)
Then when can I see cut-priced Chinese brand PS3s, Xbox 360s, and Blu-Ray players?

DeadmeatHD
07-15-2008, 08:04 AM
Facts don't seem to do so much for him.
It is you who have problem with obtaining factual information.

It sounds far bigger than it actually is.
Well, I have never seen all major gaming forums going down simultaneously like this before. This is clearly the biggest nuke ever dropped since FF7's defection to PS more than a decade before.

MikeRox
07-15-2008, 08:54 AM
You do know there are many many games which sell more units than Final Fantasy don't you especially outside of Japan? Final Fantasy 12 struggled to break 1.25m units in the US, and that was to a userbase which is more than double the current worldwide userbase of the Xbox 360.

No matter what two ways you look at it, GTA4 day and date with the PS3 ver was a far bigger nuke than FFXIII.

MikeRox
07-15-2008, 08:55 AM
Then when can I see cut-priced Chinese brand PS3s, Xbox 360s, and Blu-Ray players?

Why would you see cut priced chinese brand PS3s and Xbox 360s any time soon? You've never been able to get cheap cut priced chinese brand current generation system, especially LEGALLY.

DeadmeatHD
07-15-2008, 09:40 AM
No matter what two ways you look at it, GTA4 day and date with the PS3 ver was a far bigger nuke than FFXIII.
Maybe you missed out all the PS3 obituaries written by PS3 owners and endless list of "Gee, I was a fence-sitter and I don't need PS3 anymore" comments at gaming forums.

Multiplatform titles do not decide which console to get, exclusives do. Now PS3 has no big 3rd party exclusives left anymore, while Xbox 360 still has plenty.

Why would you see cut priced chinese brand PS3s and Xbox 360s any time soon? You've never been able to get cheap cut priced chinese brand current generation system, especially LEGALLY.
Bingo. You cannot get cheap cut priced chinese brand Blu-Ray players, especially LEGALLY.

Now do you get it?

joey82083
07-15-2008, 10:11 AM
You do know there are many many games which sell more units than Final Fantasy don't you especially outside of Japan? Final Fantasy 12 struggled to break 1.25m units in the US, and that was to a userbase which is more than double the current worldwide userbase of the Xbox 360.

No matter what two ways you look at it, GTA4 day and date with the PS3 ver was a far bigger nuke than FFXIII.

IMO XIII will outsell 12 by a large margin. This is the first next gen FF title to be released (not counting MMO that lacked in graphics) and people will be interested to see what it can do graphicly.

Is the news that it will be multiplatform as big as deadmeat is making it? Probably not. Owning both both, I will still get the game for the PS3 for the fact that I don't want friends bugging me with game invites over LIVE or be tempted to join them myself when I just want to play a good RPG. :2cents

ClashFan
07-15-2008, 10:50 AM
Wow, Firefox is slow here now, isn't it. I thought it might be that I am now running Vista. Installed it last night and all appears to be well.

DeadmeatHD to me has been provocative and hyperbolic, but not too bad. However, I don't think this news is nearly as big as Warner's bomb back in January. BD and games titles will continue for years to come, while HD DVD titles have frittered away to nothing.

He may have a point about exclusives, though. I know that Mass Effect assures me of being 360 loyal for some years, probably (supposedly there will be a ME 2 and ME3). Other big titles my sons and I like are multi (Oblivion, Call of Duty series, and the upcoming Fallout 3). Oh, they do like Halo 3, too.

I see that MS just dropped the 360 by another $50 to $299 locally. With a clear $100 b/t it and PS3, that might be big news, too.

As for selling BD players at high prices, isn't that what pretty much all CE companies would like to do? You just have to wait them out, as I am in the case of BD. Comcast expanding its HD channel offerings has really helped in that regard.

eng050599
07-15-2008, 10:51 AM
IMO XIII will outsell 12 by a large margin. This is the first next gen FF title to be released (not counting MMO that lacked in graphics) and people will be interested to see what it can do graphicly.


Are you serious? FF XII was released on the PS2 when the console had 100,000,000+ consoles in the wild. By the time that FF XIII is released, the combined PS3, 360 console base will probably be around 35-40 million.

Historically FF games have always sold well, but their appeal is limited to a select subset of the gaming population. In fact, the best-selling Final Fantasy game is still FF VII with almost 10 million in sales. Both FF X and XII sold in the 5-7 million range. I would guess that FF XIII will probably sell in the 4-6 million range. A bit low due to the install base of both consoles, but well within the usual range for a FF RPG.

Source: Logic and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_2

joey82083
07-15-2008, 11:15 AM
Are you serious? FF XII was released on the PS2 when the console had 100,000,000+ consoles in the wild. By the time that FF XIII is released, the combined PS3, 360 console base will probably be around 35-40 million.

Historically FF games have always sold well, but their appeal is limited to a select subset of the gaming population. In fact, the best-selling Final Fantasy game is still FF VII with almost 10 million in sales. Both FF X and XII sold in the 5-7 million range. I would guess that FF XIII will probably sell in the 4-6 million range. A bit low due to the install base of both consoles, but well within the usual range for a FF RPG.

Source: Logic and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_2

I was serious basing my response on MikeRox's estimated 1.25M units sold in US. Going off that number I don't find it hard to believe that XIII would outsell XII.

awol
07-15-2008, 11:57 AM
Are you serious? FF XII was released on the PS2 when the console had 100,000,000+ consoles in the wild. By the time that FF XIII is released, the combined PS3, 360 console base will probably be around 35-40 million.

Historically FF games have always sold well, but their appeal is limited to a select subset of the gaming population. In fact, the best-selling Final Fantasy game is still FF VII with almost 10 million in sales. Both FF X and XII sold in the 5-7 million range. I would guess that FF XIII will probably sell in the 4-6 million range. A bit low due to the install base of both consoles, but well within the usual range for a FF RPG.

Source: Logic and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_2

IMO, the one reason that FFXII didn't sell as well was because of it's gross departure from a typical FF game. Final Fantasy is turn based. Period. FFXII was not. It was very very similar to the XI MMO game. A lot of people didn't like that about it. Frankly, I found it very refreshing for the series. But a lot of the fans didn't like it at all.

MikeRox
07-15-2008, 12:25 PM
IMO, the one reason that FFXII didn't sell as well was because of it's gross departure from a typical FF game. Final Fantasy is turn based. Period. FFXII was not. It was very very similar to the XI MMO game. A lot of people didn't like that about it. Frankly, I found it very refreshing for the series. But a lot of the fans didn't like it at all.

I understand FFXIII uses similar battle engine mechanics. I'd be curious to see what the other FF games sold in the US. The US is considered the worst territory saleswise for JRPGs so I think FFXIII is actually more of an attempt to claw back traction in Europe.

Joe_news
07-15-2008, 01:02 PM
LOL, lets ignore that its outselling/outsold 360 in Europe and Japan.

OP'er needs to get a clue.

awol
07-15-2008, 01:22 PM
LOL, lets ignore that its outselling/outsold 360 in Europe and Japan.

OP'er needs to get a clue.

It's also only being released on 360 here in the US, the UK, and likely Australia/NZ. These are the only predominantly English speaking nations. Of which, SE specifically said in non-English communities, it will be PS3 exclusive.

Sounds like they're just trying to go where the money's at. Can't fault them for that.

ping.brady
07-15-2008, 01:26 PM
1. PS3 kills Toshiba HD-DVD player
2. Xbox 360 kills PS3.
3. Xbox 360 is the last man standing. Microsoft's plan of world domination is now complete.
4. MS re-releases HD-DVD attachment, circle complete

lol.. kiddin

I didn't buy my PS3 for FF, and will probably never own that game. Sure this is great for people who exclusivly purchase the PS3 because of FF... but that has to be a small population I'd imagine

MikeRox
07-15-2008, 01:56 PM
It's also only being released on 360 here in the US, the UK, and likely Australia/NZ. These are the only predominantly English speaking nations. Of which, SE specifically said in non-English communities, it will be PS3 exclusive.

Sounds like they're just trying to go where the money's at. Can't fault them for that.

So aye, basically where the 360 userbase is currently bigger.

awol
07-15-2008, 04:16 PM
lol.. kiddin

I didn't buy my PS3 for FF, and will probably never own that game. Sure this is great for people who exclusivly purchase the PS3 because of FF... but that has to be a small population I'd imagine

I don't think so. It's been kind of a given that Final Fantasy would remain PS exclusive. The menatility has kind of been, "At least we still have Final Fantasy." In Japanese culture, they tend to stick together and form their own bonds and alliances to an extent. At least it's been that way in the past. Square was a stout Nintendo ally, then became a stout PS ally. For that reason, people could reasonably count on seeing FF on the Playstation platform.

Some will say that Sega kinda bucked that tradition when it developed the majority of it's games last gen for the Xbox. I think it was more of a thumb at the nose to Sony and Nintendo. They came around with some of their franchises, but most of the "new" ip's were Xbox only.

This really goes against the notion of alliances though. They're going to the money, and again, I don't blame them in the least.

brianh
07-15-2008, 08:55 PM
FFXIII is still going to be available for the PS3, right?

So.....how is this comparable to Warner's decision to kill hd -dvd??

Am I missing something? And it's not like FFXIII is huge on the xbox anyway.
Just because some 12 year olds got upset doesn't mean this is the same as WB 's move.

btw, the consoles are essentially identical anyway. Why Kojima doesn't release MGS4 for the 360 makes ZERO sense to me.
The 360 couldn't handle it? Give me a break. That party ended 2 years ago.

bboncorr
07-15-2008, 09:13 PM
like i said in another post lets hope that does not happen. lets all hope sony has more coming. once sony gives in MS will do what either company would do and that is get lazy.

WE ALL not them will feel the effects of a 1 console world. it's just not a good idea to feel sony is out of it. i know this gen it seems that pushing bluray over games is their plan but MS can't know this for sure so they are being forced to push the industry.

now tell me how many people here feel we would see price drops without comp? how often would we see game prices being dropped, well maybe more often since so many would be sold. how often would we see new innovation that was brought on by trying to out do your comp, never since there is none.

it's just not a world we want to see. remember how bad MS got once they ruled the pc world. well nothing would change if they rule the gaming world and the same could be said for sony.

bboncorr
07-15-2008, 09:20 PM
younger gamers just don't seem to get it. FF going on another console is like seeing Sonic go to nintendo back when it was just nintendo and sega competing for the top spot. it's like watching mario leave to jump on the ps.

this game is fairly large and has been since forever. my first FF was i think 7. that game came out so dam long ago and it's still selling for over $100 on ebay. think about that. when new RPG's come out they are first compared to the FF series and everything else is a distant second. then on top of that not many games become movies but FF did. sure it was a bad movie but it still became one.

the series is epic in many long time gamers/writers opinions. if halo announced tomorrow it was going multi platform then it would be the same as this.

those still saying it's not major news are in denial. there is a reason the forums are still buzzing this long after the news.



I don't think so. It's been kind of a given that Final Fantasy would remain PS exclusive. The menatility has kind of been, "At least we still have Final Fantasy." In Japanese culture, they tend to stick together and form their own bonds and alliances to an extent. At least it's been that way in the past. Square was a stout Nintendo ally, then became a stout PS ally. For that reason, people could reasonably count on seeing FF on the Playstation platform.

Some will say that Sega kinda bucked that tradition when it developed the majority of it's games last gen for the Xbox. I think it was more of a thumb at the nose to Sony and Nintendo. They came around with some of their franchises, but most of the "new" ip's were Xbox only.

This really goes against the notion of alliances though. They're going to the money, and again, I don't blame them in the least.

mshulman
07-15-2008, 10:17 PM
WE ALL not them will feel the effects of a 1 console world. it's just not a good idea to feel sony is out of it. i know this gen it seems that pushing bluray over games is their plan but MS can't know this for sure so they are being forced to push the industry.

MS doesn't strike me as a company that gets lazy. They are always pushing to get new products out, upgrades to products..etc I think they'd take this same approach with gaming, regardless of the competition.

Now, that doesn't mean everything they do is great, but I think they certainly tend to keep the effort going.

bboncorr
07-15-2008, 10:21 PM
MS doesn't strike me as a company that gets lazy. They are always pushing to get new products out, upgrades to products..etc I think they'd take this same approach with gaming, regardless of the competition.

Now, that doesn't mean everything they do is great, but I think they certainly tend to keep the effort going.

yes but giving an effort isn't anything in this industry. you can have a fat kid running the mile in gym class. he is giving you an effort by running but he isn't really accomplishing anything that will mean anything tomorrow. he isn't setting records or becoming a world class sprinter by giving his effort.

Pinoy
07-16-2008, 02:02 AM
Bunch of whiny drama queens... 'oh noez the mean xbox people are playing MY game' :crying:

You have a ps3? You get to play ff13. You have an xbox360? You get to play ff13.

/thread.

KEEBS1984
07-16-2008, 02:43 AM
Well this certainly is interesting news... Final Fantasy XIII on the Xbox 360, sounds pretty crazy. However, after the big RPG event Microsoft held with Square and Namco in the last couple months I wasn't nearly as surprised as I would have been had they not held that. From a PS3/360 perspective it looks like Square is actually more of a M]360 supporter now than a PS3 supporter...

Infinite Undiscovery - 360 exclusive
Last Remnant - 360 timed exclusive
Star Ocean 3 - 360 exclusive
Final Fantasy XIII - PS3/360 day and date launch

Looks like the 360 really is the RPG console this generation.

Hopefully the game manifests itself well on the 360.

MikeRox
07-16-2008, 03:25 AM
younger gamers just don't seem to get it. FF going on another console is like seeing Sonic go to nintendo back when it was just nintendo and sega competing for the top spot. it's like watching mario leave to jump on the ps.

Surely an opinion like that counts you as a "younger gamer" us more "mature" gamers already know FF is a whore frachise that ups sticks and moves at leisure :p 1-6 were EXCLUSIVE on Nintendo formats until they were later re-released on PS1. 7-X-2 were exclusive on PS1 (though 7 and 8 also came out on PC) XI came out on PC/PS2/360, Crystal Chronicles Gamecube, Final Fantasy also saw releases on the GBA and DS.

If anything, I'd say it's become quite a multi format franchise of late, I mean there are now Final Fantasy games out/due for release on all 6 current consoles. (PS2/PS3/PSP/Wii/DS/Xbox 360)

KEEBS,

I think Star Ocean 4 is actually dual format and no longer a timed 360 exclusive. I believe that has just changed with FFXIII going dual platform.

awol
07-16-2008, 10:20 AM
younger gamers just don't seem to get it. FF going on another console is like seeing Sonic go to nintendo back when it was just nintendo and sega competing for the top spot. it's like watching mario leave to jump on the ps.


As Mike said, it's not the first time that they've done this. So I'm not really surprised. They did with Nintendo, but as I said before, that was due to the technology Nintendo chose with the N64 being cartridge based. They're seemingly leaving their Sony exclusivity for Money this time.

Cygnus
07-16-2008, 10:32 AM
Interesting...got a link?

Damn, EA's FIFA2009 time-exclusive on Xbox 360. It is as if Microsoft is paying for time-exclusivity on any 3rd party title that sells more than 1 million copies.

Kicking your opponent in the mouth while down isn't nice.

jusHD
07-16-2008, 10:40 AM
What will be funny is if the game sucks. Its not like they havent been falling off and not like the change in the company is just name only. Anyways the US is not where this would make a effect and if what was stated here that the 360 gets this only in the English speaking countries it will not effect the console war. Its the asain population that matters and considering the 360 dosent sell at all over their and the PS3 has been selling well this news is kind of overinflated. How many 360 owners are sports fans and FPS fans, the gayish characters and storylines from FF is not their target audiences type of game. Really just news with no effect on a dying franchise. Hey sonic is on nintendo and it will matter about as much as this game. Definately since the whole asian population will be getting this on the PS3 anyways.

awol
07-16-2008, 11:06 AM
Interesting...got a link?

He doesn't post links. I think he says something along the lines of he's not responsible for your lack of knowledge or resourcefulness.

Ntruder
07-16-2008, 11:33 AM
:roflmao:

There is no 'console war'

Every generation of consoles has had at least 2-3 viable systems.

I had to temporarily un-ignore this post so I could quote it for truth.

Nobody wants a single console market. Does "Windows" mean anything to anybody?

MikeRox
07-16-2008, 11:51 AM
I want a single console market. But I want it DVD/CD style. Anyone can make a player, anyone can make the software etc.

A bit like the 3DO was, only with a bit more support.

Pinoy
07-16-2008, 11:53 AM
As Mike said, it's not the first time that they've done this. So I'm not really surprised. They did with Nintendo, but as I said before, that was due to the technology Nintendo chose with the N64 being cartridge based. They're seemingly leaving their Sony exclusivity for Money this time.

I had to temporarily un-ignore this post so I could quote it for truth.

Nobody wants a single console market. Does "Windows" mean anything to anybody?

Exactly. Multiple platforms and games for them are good for everybody in the end (well, except maybe the would be monopolizer..)

II SAL II
07-16-2008, 11:57 AM
FACT: no Console in the history of video games has survived the top spot for 3 generations.

this FACT is proven true now with the clear emergance of the Xbox360. now if history holds true, they should keep the lead even after there next gen console is released. Time will tell if this trend holds.

MikeRox
07-16-2008, 11:58 AM
GB
GBC
GBA
DS

I rest my case :D

Also, the Wii would appear to have emerged far better than the Xbox 360, which is lagging badly in many parts of the world.

awol
07-16-2008, 12:13 PM
FACT: not Console in the history of video games has survived the top spot for 3 generations.

this FACT is proven true now with the clear emergance of the Xbox360. now if history holds true, they should keep the lead even after there next gen console is released. Time will tell if this trend holds.

GB
GBC
GBA
DS

I rest my case :D

Also, the Wii would appear to have emerged far better than the Xbox 360, which is lagging badly in many parts of the world.

yeah, regardless of the attach rates, I thought the Wii was the top seller this generation. Not the 360.

Pinoy
07-16-2008, 12:15 PM
GB
GBC
GBA
DS

I rest my case :D

Also, the Wii would appear to have emerged far better than the Xbox 360, which is lagging badly in many parts of the world.

Do we really count portables as consoles? I don't :lol:

MikeRox
07-16-2008, 12:16 PM
They play video games put onto cartridges/locked mediums with a platform holder licensing companies to release software.

Sound like consoles to me :p It's a different market, but thats a bit like saying personal stereos don't count as audio equipment. :p That said, the PSP also plugs straight into your TV now if you so choose.

II SAL II
07-16-2008, 12:39 PM
GB
GBC
GBA
DS

I rest my case :D

Also, the Wii would appear to have emerged far better than the Xbox 360, which is lagging badly in many parts of the world. in total consoles yes. in software sales for that console? no way in hell.. more people worldwide buy games for the Xbox360 than they do on any other console. that makes it the clear leader in the next gen console race that Xbox360 has already crossed the finish line on.

MikeRox
07-16-2008, 02:18 PM
Wasn't it there are more since inception software sales for 360? Wii software sales are a lot stronger than people realise. The attach rate isn't less than half of the 360s, but the number of consoles sold is double.

Just focussing on the US, the Wii actually has only just outsold the 360 since inception. It has sold 78m units of software to the Xbox 360s 108m. Considering it's been on the market for less time, and had nowhere near as many high profile titles, I don't think it's doing that bad softwarewise, it's also neck and neck on software sales really. Last week the 360 sold more, this week the Wii sold more.

Pinoy
07-16-2008, 05:49 PM
They play video games put onto cartridges/locked mediums with a platform holder licensing companies to release software.

Sound like consoles to me :p It's a different market, but thats a bit like saying personal stereos don't count as audio equipment. :p That said, the PSP also plugs straight into your TV now if you so choose.

Dunno... I guess my view is skewed because my psp plays GB/gbc/gba games... and NES, snes, game gear, ps1, ps2, genesis games as well :)

On a side note I was in my local pawnshop today, somebody sold them a buttload of UMD's, I grabbed a couple Japanese titles that weren't sold here in the US like Initial D. They even had a couple Dreamcast games, like Starlance (I think that's what it was) Tony hawk 2 and another one that I don't recall. Kinda surprising really considering this is a small town.

bboncorr
07-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Bunch of whiny drama queens... 'oh noez the mean xbox people are playing MY game' :crying:

You have a ps3? You get to play ff13. You have an xbox360? You get to play ff13.

/thread.

I know and i'm getting it on the ps3 anyways. it still doesn't feel right on the 360.

bboncorr
07-16-2008, 08:14 PM
Surely an opinion like that counts you as a "younger gamer" us more "mature" gamers already know FF is a whore frachise that ups sticks and moves at leisure :p 1-6 were EXCLUSIVE on Nintendo formats until they were later re-released on PS1. 7-X-2 were exclusive on PS1 (though 7 and 8 also came out on PC) XI came out on PC/PS2/360, Crystal Chronicles Gamecube, Final Fantasy also saw releases on the GBA and DS.

If anything, I'd say it's become quite a multi format franchise of late, I mean there are now Final Fantasy games out/due for release on all 6 current consoles. (PS2/PS3/PSP/Wii/DS/Xbox 360)

KEEBS,

I think Star Ocean 4 is actually dual format and no longer a timed 360 exclusive. I believe that has just changed with FFXIII going dual platform.

I'm definetly not a young gamer. if you mean Atari is young then i guess i'm young. i owned a NES and Atari. I'm only 28 but i have been gaming since i was very young. i just wasn't into rpg's until i played FF7. I still wish i owned that atari because i loved that game where you jump over the crocks and pong.

bboncorr
07-16-2008, 08:16 PM
As Mike said, it's not the first time that they've done this. So I'm not really surprised. They did with Nintendo, but as I said before, that was due to the technology Nintendo chose with the N64 being cartridge based. They're seemingly leaving their Sony exclusivity for Money this time.

well that was my thought. there was a legit reason the 1st time around but this time was plain old greed. like i said in another post it still doesn't feel right so i'm going with the ps3 version. i just hope they are comparable and MS isn't getting a crap load more then my mind will have to be reprogramed toward the 360 version.

bboncorr
07-16-2008, 08:22 PM
FACT: no Console in the history of video games has survived the top spot for 3 generations.

this FACT is proven true now with the clear emergance of the Xbox360. now if history holds true, they should keep the lead even after there next gen console is released. Time will tell if this trend holds.

well don't be so sure that it will hold up. i feel this might but i at least sony gives them some run so MS doesn't get lazy. i would rather have 2 consoles fighting then 1 console that doesn't offer us enough. could you imagine what it would be like this gen if..........

1. there was no 360 and sony decided to take even longer to release their console.

2. sony was the only option for us gamers who want new games every month so we would have been forced to sit through those long periods of no good releases.

3. if there was no ps3 and someone who had 5 360's crap out on them had no choice but to buy another 360.

and so on.

it would have sucked.

Mattie_B
07-16-2008, 08:30 PM
Wow threads like this are funny.

Honestly ask yourself this question. Who gives a shit?

Congratulations Final Fantasy XIII has been ported to the Xbox 360!!! Yippie its still available on the PS3.

You know I'm only 24 almost 25 and I never really ever heard of forums. That was until a few years ago when I quit partying and settled down a bit. It just amazes me how some of the members go off on shit like this.

WTF honestly?

Just STFU play the system you bought and enjoy it. Anyone that gives a shit about a exclusive title that much will just buy whatever system its exclusive to. Get a fucking life and enjoy your system.

I understand your excited about the title that's comming to the 360 but its not the end of another consoles world.

Quit being a melodramatic asshole....

Pinoy
07-16-2008, 09:58 PM
I know and i'm getting it on the ps3 anyways. it still doesn't feel right on the 360.

Well... I'd say if it's out on both then get it on the one you prefer for whatever reasons. I'm (obviously) going to get on ps3 if I do get it at all.

Sidenote: Multi-quote; Use it :lol:

EddieDZ
07-17-2008, 07:37 AM
one title does not make a console mr. troll DeadmeatHD... square enix can do whatever they want with that title. personally it is rather sad that they decided to make FFXIII for 360 too because for the longest time they said it was just for ps3, just goes to show that even now in this gen you cannot trust any devs word. enix said that FFvsXIII is still and will still remaind PS3 exclusive.. but again do we really trust that statement? all in all the white engine was indeed a PC engine and i guess enix just wants to share the game and of course make as much $$ as possible because every company is a greedy company. im looking forward to FFXIII!, but question remains is how many disc the 360 version will be made up of (3-4 maybe?)

II SAL II
07-17-2008, 07:41 AM
one title does not make a console mr.
your right. Metal Gear Solid 4 didnt move consoles the way Sony thought it would. but more than 1 will kill it. GTAIV + FF13 = Lots of revenue loss for Sony. if Xbox360 keeps outselling the multiplatform games 2/3 then share holders of the publishers will make them put more exclusives on both systems (not good for PS3)

it makes no buisness sense to not put multi million unit titles on the Xbox360 simply becasue it will out sell the software on the PS3. and if yoru in the buisness of making money than your are one dumb mother F^cker to not put your game on the Xbox360. the numbers dont lie. and untill Sony starts paying for exclusive titles then there is no way in hell they are going to recover from this console race.

MikeRox
07-17-2008, 07:43 AM
Tbh, I think Capcom were worse. "Resident Evil 4 is exclusive for GameCube" then just before the GC version came out they announced a PS2 port due to "shareholder pressure". I bet Nintendo were spitting feathers. 2 of the key members of the development team for RE4 actually quit due to the PS2 port being announced.

awol
07-17-2008, 08:33 AM
one title does not make a console mr. troll DeadmeatHD... square enix can do whatever they want with that title. personally it is rather sad that they decided to make FFXIII for 360 too because for the longest time they said it was just for ps3, just goes to show that even now in this gen you cannot trust any devs word. enix said that FFvsXIII is still and will still remaind PS3 exclusive.. but again do we really trust that statement? all in all the white engine was indeed a PC engine and i guess enix just wants to share the game and of course make as much $$ as possible because every company is a greedy company. im looking forward to FFXIII!, but question remains is how many disc the 360 version will be made up of (3-4 maybe?)

Really, technically, they weren't lying. It will still be exclusive to the PS3 in non-english speaking territories. So by that thought, it is still exclusive to the PS3 in Asia, South America, and most of europe.

bboncorr
07-17-2008, 10:42 AM
one title does not make a console mr. troll DeadmeatHD... square enix can do whatever they want with that title. personally it is rather sad that they decided to make FFXIII for 360 too because for the longest time they said it was just for ps3, just goes to show that even now in this gen you cannot trust any devs word. enix said that FFvsXIII is still and will still remaind PS3 exclusive.. but again do we really trust that statement? all in all the white engine was indeed a PC engine and i guess enix just wants to share the game and of course make as much $$ as possible because every company is a greedy company. im looking forward to FFXIII!, but question remains is how many disc the 360 version will be made up of (3-4 maybe?)


maybe that is why they decided to include that option to download games to the HDD. also you need to remember compression technique is totally different on each system. it might not take as much compression as one might think.

then again lost oddesy was 4 disks so who knows.

EddieDZ
07-17-2008, 08:00 PM
your right. Metal Gear Solid 4 didnt move consoles the way Sony thought it would.

really? i didnt know sony ever announced a "this is how many PS3's we want to sell once MGS4 is released" ... i thought it pushed the PS3 fairly good (worldwide). in NA alone the PS3 sales where over 400k for the month of june, and MGS4 didnt even come out until the 2nd week of june.

jusHD
07-17-2008, 09:25 PM
Wow threads like this are funny.

Honestly ask yourself this question. Who gives a shit?

Congratulations Final Fantasy XIII has been ported to the Xbox 360!!! Yippie its still available on the PS3.

You know I'm only 24 almost 25 and I never really ever heard of forums. That was until a few years ago when I quit partying and settled down a bit. It just amazes me how some of the members go off on shit like this.

WTF honestly?

Just STFU play the system you bought and enjoy it. Anyone that gives a shit about a exclusive title that much will just buy whatever system its exclusive to. Get a fucking life and enjoy your system.

I understand your excited about the title that's comming to the 360 but its not the end of another consoles world.

Quit being a melodramatic asshole....

Damn somebody agree's. Good post and at that isnt their a Final Fantasy on the 360 already? Stop feeding this idiot deadmeat and just ignore all of his post. Look at what he has posted the last couple days, its all crap. Even screwing with statements and trying anything to bash sony. Why feed this MS fanboy/employee/ or just pathetic ass that he is?

MikeRox
07-18-2008, 03:51 AM
really? i didnt know sony ever announced a "this is how many PS3's we want to sell once MGS4 is released" ... i thought it pushed the PS3 fairly good (worldwide). in NA alone the PS3 sales where over 400k for the month of june, and MGS4 didnt even come out until the 2nd week of june.

It propelled the PS3 ahead of the Wii for a whole week in Japan. If thats not monumental, I don't know what is :p

railven
07-18-2008, 04:10 AM
It propelled the PS3 ahead of the Wii for a whole week in Japan. If thats not monumental, I don't know what is :p

Didn't MGS4 outsell all the other top games in Japan combined 6:1 for that week? Hehe.

Japanese love their MGS.

EddieDZ
07-18-2008, 01:14 PM
It propelled the PS3 ahead of the Wii for a whole week in Japan. If thats not monumental, I don't know what is :p

true.. and according to gamespot

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6194691.html

BucJam07
07-18-2008, 01:37 PM
Final Fantasy determines the console war? You have to be kidding?

Have you ever seen that game? It's about the most boring, pathetic game ever made.

Bunch of bullshit this thread is.

awol
07-18-2008, 02:18 PM
Final Fantasy determines the console war? You have to be kidding?

Have you ever seen that game? It's about the most boring, pathetic game ever made.

Bunch of bullshit this thread is.

Most threads and posts by the OP is.

kamspy
07-18-2008, 02:29 PM
Most threads and posts by the OP is.

Which ones aren't?:what:

really. I don't think he's made a single quality post since he's been here.

awol
07-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Which ones aren't?:what:

really. I don't think he's made a single quality post since he's been here.

I was just trying to maintain some semblence of decorum. :lol:

railven
07-19-2008, 06:18 AM
Hehe. Proof that the Xbox360 is easier to code for than the PS3, it will take Squaresoft only 6 months to port it from PS3 to Xbox360.

Wow.

So, when a software company ports a software library to a different OS the second OS is more efficient because the port process was shorter than the original development? Are you serious!?

I guess the Xbox360/PS3 are stronger than the PC platform, HL2:OB took less time to port to the consoles than it took Valve to code the content for Episode 2, and HL2:OB is like 5 games!!! ZOMG!!!!



Anyways, seems Final Fantasy Versus XIII (or is it XIII Versus) is still a PS3 exclusive. I wonder how long that could last.

EddieDZ
07-20-2008, 05:20 PM
im confused, is FFXIII coming out on on both systems on day one? if i recall i thought enix announced that FFXIII will laungh worldwide on both systems but now im reading articles across the internet that say otherwise.. that FFXIII will first come out on PS3 and then several months later a "ported version" will come out on 360? ...

Cygnus
07-20-2008, 06:06 PM
I think it is releasing first in japan but simultaneously later for the rest of the world

Pinoy
07-21-2008, 12:36 AM
What ^ he said about the platform release timing.

jusHD
07-22-2008, 11:31 AM
So where it matters they get it first. Why is there all this crap about the PS3 failing? I know the TC is the biggest ass on this forum but why argue. I also know that there are a couple of others that try to hype the 360 but worldwide the 360 is losing. Here in the US it has been losing the last 4 months and if you look at the future PS3 has way more exclusives coming out compared to GOW2. Its starting to shift the PS3's way and all of you still have your 360 so why bother with this shit?

DeadmeatHD
07-22-2008, 01:40 PM
im confused, is FFXIII coming out on on both systems on day one?
Here is Square's game plan.

1. Divert everything(FFvs13 is delayed indefinitely to reallocate programmers to FF13) to complete PS3 version of FF13 at the earlist date possible, which dragged out for over 5 years due to PS3's difficult and troubled hardware, then release it in Japan only on PS3 in Spring 2010.

2. Once Japanese PS3 version is released, then Square ports PS3 version of FF13 to Xbox 360 in three months or less. This is made possible because Xbox 360 can run PS3 optimized code faster than PS3 does(Ask SCEI about PhyreEngine, SCEI's own multiplatform game engine which happens to run faster on Xbox 360 than on PS3), then release FF13 simultanously on both PS3 and Xbox 360 in the US approximately six months after the Japanese release, November 2010.

3. The Euro market version of FF13 on both PS3 and Xbox 360 is scheduled in Spring 2011.

if i recall i thought enix announced that FFXIII will laungh worldwide on both systems but now im reading articles across the internet that say otherwise.. that FFXIII will first come out on PS3 and then several months later a "ported version" will come out on 360? ...
Japan : PS3 only
US : Both PS3 and Xbox 360 version simultanously six months later. This was made possible because Xbox 360 could run PS3 optimized code faster than PS3 and accept PS3 optimized assets without modification. The reverse is not possible.
Europe : Same as US.

railven
07-22-2008, 01:48 PM
Here is Square's game plan.

1. Divert everything(FFvs13 is delayed indefinitely to reallocate programmers to FF13) to complete PS3 version of FF13 at the earlist date possible, which dragged out for over 5 years due to PS3's difficult and troubled hardware, then release it in Japan only on PS3 in Spring 2010.

2. Once Japanese PS3 version is released, then Square ports PS3 version of FF13 to Xbox 360 in three months or less. This is made possible because Xbox 360 can run PS3 optimized code faster than PS3 does(Ask SCEI about PhyreEngine, SCEI's own multiplatform game engine which happens to run faster on Xbox 360 than on PS3), then release FF13 simultanously on both PS3 and Xbox 360 in the US approximately six months after the Japanese release, November 2010.

3. The Euro market version of FF13 on both PS3 and Xbox 360 is scheduled in Spring 2011.


Japan : PS3 only
US : Both PS3 and Xbox 360 version simultanously six months later. This was made possible because Xbox 360 could run PS3 optimized code faster than PS3 and accept PS3 optimized assets without modification. The reverse is not possible.
Europe : Same as US.

1. That's interesting, the PS3 SDK's have only been in the wild since late 2005. How has it been in development for 5 years? Unless, you are saying it will launch in 2010 with no hopes of it launching earlier.

2. Weird, you mean a cross-platform engine based on PC coding techniques runs faster on the PC and the PC-based Xbox360? OMG! Someone stop the presses, this guy is a effin genius! Why not tell everyone why Sony made the Phyre Engine now. Hint, it wasn't to exploit the processing power of the PS3. It was to attract smaller devs that had problems with the original SDKs, such as PC developers.

According to Deadmeat the Xbox360 is 4xstronger than the PS3. Yet, no Xbox360 game looks 4x better than a PS3 game. Why isn't he pissed that Xbox360 developers aren't making their Xbox360 games as polished as possible?

This is seriously getting tiring. For once, provide a link. If you can. And before you say "hurr hurr I'm wall street programmer why should I provide you with knowledge" frankly put everything you've said has been shot down by every poster here and without some credibility to save you it is really getting old.

DeadmeatHD
07-22-2008, 01:59 PM
1. That's interesting, the PS3 SDK's have only been in the wild since late 2005.
Likes of Square and Kojima got them in late 2004.

2. Weird, you mean a cross-platform engine based on PC coding techniques runs faster on the PC and the PC-based Xbox360?
Yes, even SCEI's own engine.

Why not tell everyone why Sony made the Phyre Engine now. Hint, it wasn't to exploit the processing power of the PS3. It was to attract smaller devs that had problems with the original SDKs, such as PC developers.
Yet it runs faster on Xbox 360.

According to Deadmeat the Xbox360 is 4xstronger than the PS3. Yet, no Xbox360 game looks 4x better than a PS3 game.
Let's compare GTA IV. Xbox 360 version is pushing three times as many pixels as PS3 version does, but do you feel it looks three times better?

railven
07-22-2008, 02:09 PM
Likes of Square and Kojima got them in late 2004.


Yes, even SCEI's own engine.


Yet it runs faster on Xbox 360.


Let's compare GTA IV. Xbox 360 version is pushing three times as many pixels as PS3 version does, but do you feel it looks three times better?

Haha, really? And here is the part where you always seem to fail to prove anything:

Where is your proof?

For once, proof to us that you are credible.

Pinoy
07-22-2008, 02:30 PM
Let's compare GTA IV. Xbox 360 version is pushing three times as many pixels as PS3 version does, but do you feel it looks three times better?

Are you talking about your post in another thread? This \/ one in particular?
PS3 : 1152x640p(Standard Definition) x NoAA x 24 average FPS = 17,694,720 pixels/s
Xbox 360 : 1280x720p(High Definition) x 2xAA x 29 average FPS = 53,452,800 pixel/s

You still haven't explained how 2xAA doubles every pixel in the screen (which according to your math it does) :what:


Hurry up DeadMeat... you've been viewing this thread for the last 20 minutes. Are you that slow in finding some BS website with something you can spin?

MikeRox
07-23-2008, 05:58 AM
Okay, I teach adult Numeracy as part of my job. I can confirm stating that the 360 ver has 3x as many pixels = wrong, something no programmer worth their salt would even try and claim. Did you get your programming qualifications on a boat just outside of US waters for $5000 and get it in a day?

Pinoy
07-23-2008, 12:55 PM
Okay, I teach adult Numeracy as part of my job. I can confirm stating that the 360 ver has 3x as many pixels = wrong, something no programmer worth their salt would even try and claim. Did you get your programming qualifications on a boat just outside of US waters for $5000 and get it in a day?

Exactly.

DeadmeatHD
07-23-2008, 09:14 PM
You still haven't explained how 2xAA doubles every pixel in the screen (which according to your math it does)
To do 2xAA, the GPU generates two samples per each pixel. The rendering load is twice as high without AA.

Ever wonder why the PS3 version had no AA on? What would happen if the PS3 version turned on 2xAA? Can you guess the consequence?

Hurry up DeadMeat... you've been viewing this thread for the last 20 minutes.
Well, I was too busy at work. I read this forum for my personal amusement when I am stressed out with my code.

DeadmeatHD
07-23-2008, 09:19 PM
Okay, I teach adult Numeracy as part of my job.
And I was a math tutor teaching Calculus III and Differential Equation to struggling math and engineering undergraduate students back in the days.

venomxr8
07-23-2008, 09:41 PM
And I was a math tutor teaching Calculus III and Differential Equation to struggling math and engineering undergraduate students back in the days.

omg, no comment

Pinoy
07-24-2008, 12:30 AM
To do 2xAA, the GPU generates two samples per each pixel. The rendering load is twice as high without AA.

Ever wonder why the PS3 version had no AA on? What would happen if the PS3 version turned on 2xAA? Can you guess the consequence?


Well, I was too busy at work. I read this forum for my personal amusement when I am stressed out with my code.

AA does not double the rendering load. While the GPU does indeed double sample pixels at 2xAA it does not render double the pixels. Pixel rate declines because the gpu is being used to calculate which pixels to shade differently and what color.

Bullocks... Where's the ignore button?

MikeRox
07-24-2008, 03:43 AM
And I was a math tutor teaching Calculus III and Differential Equation to struggling math and engineering undergraduate students back in the days.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No wonder they were struggling.