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edtv question

Jman03
04-29-2005, 10:11 AM
I was recently comparing edtv to hdtv on plasmas and noticed the color was better on hdtv. I assume this was just the tv settings so is that true. I alos could not see a difference in detail between the 2 and I looked for like 10 minutes str8

sascol
04-29-2005, 10:55 AM
We have an EDTV.
Quite honestly, when we were deciding on our purchase back in December we considered both HD and ED. For the difference in picture quality (which is basically NONE in my opinion), vs. the difference in price (which was substantial), we went with the ED. No regrets at all.

Smthkd
04-29-2005, 10:59 AM
I was recently comparing edtv to hdtv on plasmas and noticed the color was better on hdtv. I assume this was just the tv settings so is that true. I alos could not see a difference in detail between the 2 and I looked for like 10 minutes str8
Dont be fooled by what you where seeing! EDTV is "NOT" better than HDTV. EDTV can "ONLY" show resolutions up to 480p which is DVD quality. However, HDTV's can have a resolution of 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and some newer sets can even display 1080p, which are much higher resolutions and quality. You might have been watching a 480p broadcast on both sets, but when it comes to true HD signals, the EDTv just cant live up to HD!

See article:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=601&page_number=1

Note this line:
Defining High-Def
........
Another important distinction: just because a TV can receive a high-definition TV signal doesnít mean itís a full-fledged HDTV. Some models are enhanced-definition TVs (EDTVs and EDTV monitors). An EDTV can accept a high-def signal but canít display it at full resolution. Images on EDTVs can still look much better than normal analog TV, but since we want to focus on high-def sets, weíve eliminated EDTVs from our listings here. There are quite a few under $3,000, though.

And see here:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Which-is-better?-EDTV-vs-HDTV&id=30654

slowmo
04-30-2005, 02:30 PM
Somehow, HD content on my EDTV looks better than DVD content despite the downconversion of the HD content.

You HD display guys keep beating on ED displays simply because you realize what a fool you were for paying the premium for the HD set that is quickly de-valuing to $0 just like my ED set.

Smthkd
04-30-2005, 05:02 PM
You HD display guys keep beating on ED displays simply because you realize what a fool you were for paying the premium for the HD set that is quickly de-valuing to $0 just like my ED set.
I VERY seriously doubt that we who invested in the HD sets feel like we are fools! I know I don't! Frankly, I saw what an EDTV looked like and I thought it was a waste of money to pay 1 or 2 grand for DVD quality display! We know a downconverted HD feed looks good, heck, it looks good on a analog tv with a STB hooked up to it. The fact of the matter is, HDTV is better, cheaper and will ALWAYS beat EDTV's at all cost! The only thing a EDtv is good for IMO is its sleek design and its ability to hang on the wall. But if im going to pay between $1500 and $2500 just for that, its not worth it. Id rather buy a RP HDTV and save money while enjoying all the resolution of both EDtv and Hdtv! In fact, I just bought a new Hitachi 50V500A Lcd Hdtv w/stand from hhGreggs and only paid $1600. To me its worth every penny and will never become de-valued in my eyes! But, we all are entitled to our opinon!;)

retorq
04-30-2005, 07:16 PM
You've obviously never seen true HD content on a properly setup HDTV if you think your EDTV is as good as HD. That's like looking at your computer screen at 640 by 480 and then switching to 1280*1024 and NOT seeing a difference in the wallpaper, pictures, movies, etc.

RSawdey
04-30-2005, 09:46 PM
Downconverted HD MAY look better than DVD... IF you have one of the EDTV+ displays with a native resolution greater than 848 x 480 but less than 1280 x 720. It's still not up to HD quality, though...

borromini
04-30-2005, 11:52 PM
...You HD display guys keep beating on ED displays simply because you realize what a fool you were for paying the premium for the HD set that is quickly de-valuing to $0 just like my ED set.This was one remark counsel should have advised you not to say. :)

HDTV_NZ
05-01-2005, 03:51 AM
You HD display guys keep beating on ED displays simply because you realize what a fool you were for paying the premium for the HD set that is quickly de-valuing to $0 just like my ED set.

Hell, there aren't even any HD channels in NZ, yet I bought an HDTV. I can get a damn good picture from high-bitrate SD digital PAL channels, WMV HD DVDs and D-VHS. There's also enough HD content floating around on the internet to keep me happy :thumbsup:

myers830
05-01-2005, 05:47 AM
Look, the fact of the matter is that viewing a "good" EDTV Plasma with excellent engineering....(key word is good for you misinformed HD guys that think all EDTVs are all alike) looks just as good watching teh same HD content from 7'+ away as an HDTV (no discernable difference)...looks BETTER on non-HD formats, especially current DVDs, and cost much less. Is HD better..? It had better be, now hadn't it....duhhhhh. You brain surgeons that trash EDTVs are entitled to your opinion, albeit misinformed, but I dare any one of you to find a post on here of somebody that actually bought an EDTV Plasma after comparing the 2 side-by-side....and later posting afterwards that they made a big mistake. Fact is, you will only find great reviews and happy owners as the owners in previous postings on this thread were happy to say until they got shot down. The only people unhappy are the HD guys who just can't stand the idea that maybe, just maybe there is a much cheaper alternative that looks and performs as good for much less money. For the record, I have 2 EDTV Panny plasmas (one is 4 years old, one is 6 months old). I was skeptical too, until my eyes were opened, not by what is said in here, but what I saw at the store in side-by-side comparisons years ago, whch anybody with eyes in their head can only walk away and say...wow....the EDTV Plasmas are really something to seriously consider. They are, by-the-way, the #1 selling fixed-pixel TVs in america right now by a wide margin. And soon, with gasoline going into the stratesphere, they will sell even better for people on a tight budget. Will new HD formats make them obsolete...surely, but you geniuses that spent $4-5k on current HD sets also have obsolete sets right now as well...so don't even think for a moment that you have a premium on smarts. Whenever I make the plunge to 1080p or whatever formats make the current HD formats obsolete, I will do so knowing that in the meantime, I have 2 incredible EDTV sets that cost very little money comparatively speaking, and whats more, I did not have to "settle for second best" at all as the picture quality is remarkable to say the least on any format I watch. With a true HD set, there is always a noticeable extreme drop-off in quality once you leave the HD format. Frankly, I am NOT willing to compromise on anything...I want it all...great HD, non-HD, DVD, or whatever you throw at it...I want it all, and I have it all...for very little money, and that's what makes a sensible purchase to me....spending a lot of money does not always make somebody smart or better informed than the rest of us.

borromini
05-01-2005, 07:22 AM
Thanks for the short statement...oh by the way, I owned a Panny EDTV and returned it after realizing the mistake! :D

HDTV_NZ
05-01-2005, 01:59 PM
You brain surgeons that trash EDTVs are entitled to your opinion, albeit misinformed

In what way is it misinformed? I could say the same about your opinion.

If I LIKE HDTV, I BUY an HDTV. I'm not catering for SD material all the time, (although I do watch it most of the time), I want to be able to watch a movie when I choose in high definition, and maximise the detail and quality using a proper viewing medium. I wouldn't want to settle for less. At least I get to view a picture that's not like looking through a screen door. Not everyone has massive living room space to sit 7 - 10 feet away from their TV to "artificially" fill in the gaps either.

WRG
05-01-2005, 03:02 PM
You can actually predict where these kinds of posts will go before even clicking on them...I read them for the humor :D Same old rhetoric from the same people :rolleyes: Though now, it's getting into name calling, and "spirited" diatribes. Nothing's going to change with these kinds of posts. I suppose there are those that even post questions like this just to "stir the pot" though I'm sure that this particular post is not the case. I have seen a few that I would however question, just possibly to pull certain peoples chains :eek: They should make a forum here just for the ED guys, that way you could get valuable information, comparisons, and judgements from those who idolize them, for those seeking serious inquiries. And keep the "spirited debates to a minimum......

NAAHHHH, that wouldn't fun would it :rolleyes:

HDTV_NZ
05-01-2005, 05:44 PM
When there are members literally claiming that EDTV is as good as HDTV as a fact, someone has to say something don't they? :rolleyes:

RSawdey
05-01-2005, 08:47 PM
This is the HIGH DEF forum... not the medium def forum...

ja2935
05-02-2005, 07:33 AM
This thread, and other similar argumentative ones, have no value added and contain no useful objective information. It is human nature to defend ones purchase decisions.

Instead of arguing the merits or otherwise we should be alert to the fact that many uninformed buyers are purchasing EDTVs when they think they are being sold an HDTV - if you know what you want and deliberately purchase an EDTV that is your call, but if you intend buying an HDTV and the sales information is misleading, ie 'Accepts HD signals....' then there is a diservice being rendered.

I have been contributing to this forum for some time and have learned a lot about HD that I was previously ignorant about - please lets keep it factual and objective!

slowmo
05-02-2005, 10:56 AM
Yes, this debate is going nowhere and, yes, some of us actually have resorted to namecalling because, yes, it is more fun ;)

Just as the prior poster is concerned that new buyers are misled into buying ED sets, I'm concerned that new buyers are told by retailers, magazine buying guides, and many on this site that an EDTV is absolutely not an option if one intends to view HD content. Many of us believe it is a viable option.

Perhaps we could simply just alert a new buyer to the option / discussion without elaborating too much from our personal bias.

retorq
05-02-2005, 04:26 PM
Damn, no more name calling?! :D

fryet
05-03-2005, 10:20 AM
I enjoy reading the debate as it helps me see the pros and cons of both sides. I wish I could find more EDTV/HDTV debates.

WRG
05-03-2005, 03:37 PM
fryet...
Why look...just post one, let see...just ask a question like, :cool: Why is ED better than HD? or...I hate HD!....or Who loves their ED's?....or Panny ED's suck!...or Sharp Aquos, is it really worth the money?...Get the idea :rolleyes:

slowmo
05-03-2005, 03:38 PM
Sort of like a pro-life political debate. There will never be a resolution! At least the price difference (and EDTV's) will eventually dissappear.

borromini
05-03-2005, 06:31 PM
C'est la Vie! :)