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PS3 vs Toshiba A3 on SD upconversion

Superman
06-10-2008, 06:06 PM
I always use my A3 (previously, my RCA/A1) for upconverting SD DVDs when watching on my main TV. Just a habit. But I was watching "National Treasure" on BD the other day and decided to watch an episode of LOST on DVD. Since I had the PS3 on already, I decided to just pop the disc in and use that.

Eeeewww...

I was under the impression that the PS3 was on par with most of the HD DVD players out there in terms of upconversion. What I saw was blocky and ugly. I couldnt believe it. And it was so obvious to me because Im so used to seeing the upconversion from the HD DVD player that I naturally just expected to see the same picture. I even put my glasses on to make sure it wasnt me.

So I popped the disc in the A3 and it automatically looked better. Just thought I'd share.

The_Omega_Man
06-10-2008, 06:13 PM
I always use my A3 (previously, my RCA/A1) for upconverting SD DVDs when watching on my main TV. Just a habit. But I was watching "National Treasure" on BD the other day and decided to watch an episode of LOST on DVD. Since I had the PS3 on already, I decided to just pop the disc in and use that.

Eeeewww...

I was under the impression that the PS3 was on par with most of the HD DVD players out there in terms of upconversion. What I saw was blocky and ugly. I couldnt believe it. And it was so obvious to me because Im so used to seeing the upconversion from the HD DVD player that I naturally just expected to see the same picture. I even put my glasses on to make sure it wasnt me.

So I popped the disc in the A3 and it automatically looked better. Just thought I'd share.
Interesting, this is the first real negative account that I have heard regarding the PS3 DVD Up-Conversion capabilities. ;)

Is your PS3 running the latest code? :confused:

WhatHappend
06-10-2008, 07:27 PM
Interesting, this is the first real negative account that I have heard regarding the PS3 DVD Up-Conversion capabilities. ;)

Is your PS3 running the latest code? :confused:

Sounds like a Bluray basher. If it was a intelligent review of PS3 upconverting ability he would have shared the upconverting settings and FW version because they are very important.

Useless quality review are Eeeewww...

Lee Stewart
06-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Sounds like a Bluray basher. If it was a intelligent review of PS3 upconverting ability he would have shared the upconverting settings and FW version because they are very important.

Useless quality review are Eeeewww...

Well this review from Secrets isn't what I call glowing:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/sony-playstation-ps3-fw-2.1.html

But it is an older article. Which FW UP was done specifically to fix what is wrong in this review?

WhatHappend
06-10-2008, 08:19 PM
Well this review from Secrets isn't what I call glowing:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/sony-playstation-ps3-fw-2.1.html

But it is an older article. Which FW UP was done specifically to fix what is wrong in this review?

Come on Lee... You live this HD stuff and post more then just about anyone else. That is an old review that is a cadence test for how well the player handles miss-mastered media. This article has nothing to do with how the upconversion looks for 99.6% of DVD media that is correctly produced. A SONY engineer has said they intend to address the cadence test issues (and after FW1.8 it passes HQV 3:2 cadence tests) when they can in a FW update. And several FW updates have happend since that article.

Here is a link about 3:2 pull down.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html
So, That Said, Here is a Partial List of Things That Can Go "Wrong" on a DVD:

Alternating Progressive Flag

On some material sourced originally from film, the progressive_frame flag is on for one frame, then off for the next frame, then on for the next frame, and so on. This causes no problems for an interlaced display, but progressive decoders that use the flags religiously will switch every other frame between film-mode decoding and video-mode decoding, with results that range from almost unnoticeable, to very annoying. Titanic, Austin Powers, Bad Company, Return to Neverland, and Monsters Inc. are examples of discs with this problem, and there are many more, so it's not isolated to obscure discs. On the WHQL disc, the Film Alternate 2 sequence has this problem.

WhatHappend
06-10-2008, 08:47 PM
Come on Lee... You live this HD stuff and post more then just about anyone else. That is an old review that is a cadence test for how well the player handles miss-mastered media. This article has nothing to do with how the upconversion looks for 99.6% of DVD media that is correctly produced.

And further more this guy on AVS sums it up better than I do :
w w w . a v s f o r u m . c o m /avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13302925&postcount=430

The_Omega_Man
06-10-2008, 08:56 PM
Sounds like a Bluray basher...

Can't fault him for that! LOL :lol:


If it was a intelligent review of PS3 upconverting ability he would have shared the upconverting settings and FW version because they are very important.

Intelegent no, much more informational, yes

Useless quality review are Eeeewww...

As useless as using the word Useless! ;)

HD Goofnut
06-10-2008, 09:16 PM
It's funny that I find this thread now. I just got through watching Flawless and it is an excellent flick and it was rental. So I try it in the PS3 first because I hadn't tried a SD DVD on it yet. Well, I it kept freezing and skipping and the disc was clean so I ejected the disc and tried again with the same results. I turn it off and power on my A2 and it plays flawlessly with no freezing whatsoever. So I think I will use my A2 from now on when playing SD DVDs.

WhatHappend
06-10-2008, 09:17 PM
Intelegent no, much more informational, yes
So you don't think it is intelligent to provide information so the reader of the review knows the context the results were observed with?


As useless as using the word Useless! ;)
I don't get it. I think "useless" is the perfect work for his review.

From Merriam-Webster:
useless : having or being of no use: a: ineffectual <a useless attempt> b: not able to give service or aid : inept

They all apply to me to the review. Maybe you mean is gives use to Blu bashes??

The_Omega_Man
06-10-2008, 11:46 PM
So you don't think it is intelligent to provide information so the reader of the review knows the context the results were observed with?

Again, Intellegent no. Informational, yes.
Intellegence has no bearing on common sense. If it did the government would most likely be in a differnet state, no?:p Should I assume that by providing all of the relevent context to what i'm saying that you and everyone else will competely comprehend the true meaning of this?

Or should I assume that if you, or anyone else does not fully comprehend what I am saying, that they will have Common Sense to ask for more infomation?

By your statement, you imply that A) the "Reviewer," has no intellegence in the way they posted and/or B) the reader has no intellegence to read or comprehend the post. I beg to differ, on either accord.


I don't get it. I think "useless" is the perfect work for his review.
By this, one could assume that you meant to say, that YOU found no value in the information provided. Or are YOU representing everyone that could potentially read this? And no one (soley represented by YOU), has ANY potential to find some value in it? :confused:

From Merriam-Webster:


They all apply to me to the review. Maybe you mean is gives use to Blu bashes??


"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results. "
-Benjamin Franklin
:lol:

MikeRox
06-11-2008, 01:40 AM
It's funny that I find this thread now. I just got through watching Flawless and it is an excellent flick and it was rental. So I try it in the PS3 first because I hadn't tried a SD DVD on it yet. Well, I it kept freezing and skipping and the disc was clean so I ejected the disc and tried again with the same results. I turn it off and power on my A2 and it plays flawlessly with no freezing whatsoever. So I think I will use my A2 from now on when playing SD DVDs.

PAL spec PS3s must be better than the US trash :lol: the upscaling on my PS3 with latest firmware set to upscale to 1080i is far better than the upscaling on my Toshiba EP30. But then we do pay more for our consoles, and Europe treats the PS3 a lot more kindly than the US :p

Stew4HD
06-11-2008, 04:17 AM
:lol: Another BD PS3 defender :haha: WhatHappened!

I have done side by side UC comparisons though maybe not fair because the XA2 is an ultra sweet machine but it totally blew away the PS3. To me, the PS3 wasn't anywhere near as sharp and clear as the XA2.

I found that the A35 UC better than the BD30 as well. I never bought into the "Beyond High Definition" BS.

To me, the Tosh's do a much better job of UC.

MikeRox
06-11-2008, 06:23 AM
Stu, the upconverting in the XA players blows the entry players out of the water. The Anchor Bay chips in the 30/35 models are also decent (though not quite as good as an optimised PS3 setup on my equipment), I understand the A3 has a much poorer upscaler, though that player was never released in Europe so I have no way to tell.

bmore
06-11-2008, 06:25 AM
:lol: Another BD PS3 defender :haha: WhatHappened!

I have done side by side UC comparisons though maybe not fair because the XA2 is an ultra sweet machine but it totally blew away the PS3. To me, the PS3 wasn't anywhere near as sharp and clear as the XA2.

I found that the A35 UC better than the BD30 as well. I never bought into the "Beyond High Definition" BS.

To me, the Tosh's do a much better job of UC.

Seems like you bought into the "look and sound of PERFECT" though...

Another Toshiba defender :haha:

Superman
06-11-2008, 07:09 AM
I didnt post my setting because I wasnt home at the time I posted it. :rolleyes:

It could be that there is a setting I need to adjust, however, the settings I have now are based on a post I saw either here or AVS a while back. And yes, I have the latest FW.

And if the worst someone says about the PS3 is "eeeewww", and you get in a tizzy, you may have issues. Ive been format neutral since last September, and I dont argue about which format was better because the damn war is over. Quit taking everything so personal. You sound like fanboys. For your information, I recommended the PS3 to my mom-in-law over a stand-alone because of it "future proofness" and quality playback of BDs. So before you start accusing people of trying to flame BD lovers, get to know a person a little better.

If one of you guys who are so zealous to bash anyone who has less than stellar comments about the PS3 would like to share your settings, post them and I'll test it again. :duh:

And people wonder why I dont post as often as I used to...

HD Goofnut
06-11-2008, 07:33 AM
Stu, the upconverting in the XA players blows the entry players out of the water. The Anchor Bay chips in the 30/35 models are also decent (though not quite as good as an optimised PS3 setup on my equipment), I understand the A3 has a much poorer upscaler, though that player was never released in Europe so I have no way to tell.

All I know Mike is that last night my A2 upscaled better than my PS3 even if you factor out the freezing on my PS3. I probably need to update the firmware on my PS3, but I have to get a wireless range extender first.

awol
06-11-2008, 09:02 AM
All I know Mike is that last night my A2 upscaled better than my PS3 even if you factor out the freezing on my PS3. I probably need to update the firmware on my PS3, but I have to get a wireless range extender first.

Please clarify. Your first post states that you couldn't get past the freezing and disc read errors. Were you able to actually watch any of the movie?

HD Goofnut
06-11-2008, 09:06 AM
Please clarify. Your first post states that you couldn't get past the freezing and disc read errors. Were you able to actually watch any of the movie?

Yes, I was able to watch the first 5 minutes of the movie before it started freezing. When I put the movie in my A2 the picture looked much sharper, especially on the edges. Colors seem to be slightly bolder as well. You should rent it because it was a well made film.

bruceames
06-11-2008, 02:27 PM
I didnt post my setting because I wasnt home at the time I posted it. :rolleyes:

It could be that there is a setting I need to adjust, however, the settings I have now are based on a post I saw either here or AVS a while back. And yes, I have the latest FW.

And if the worst someone says about the PS3 is "eeeewww", and you get in a tizzy, you may have issues. Ive been format neutral since last September, and I dont argue about which format was better because the damn war is over. Quit taking everything so personal. You sound like fanboys. For your information, I recommended the PS3 to my mom-in-law over a stand-alone because of it "future proofness" and quality playback of BDs. So before you start accusing people of trying to flame BD lovers, get to know a person a little better.

If one of you guys who are so zealous to bash anyone who has less than stellar comments about the PS3 would like to share your settings, post them and I'll test it again. :duh:

And people wonder why I dont post as often as I used to...

Don't sweat it Superman, Whathappened obviously has fanboy issues...whoever he is. Anyway, the point was the SD upscaling, not Blu-ray vs. HD DVD.

kamspy
06-11-2008, 04:44 PM
I've found that my PS3 does a teeny tiny better job UC'ing DVD than my old A3 or my current A20.

But I still watch my DVDs in the A20 because I like the keep the hours off the PS3's laser diode. The difference is not big enough to warrant it. I can find a new HD DVD SAL much cheaper than a new PS3.

My experience with SD DVD skipping has been the opposite of Goofnut's though. Not sure if it's a 60GB vs 40GB thing, or just the disc in question.

HarD-DVD
06-11-2008, 05:28 PM
PS3 upscaling better than the A3? You have got to be joking. PS3 Blu Ray is not even better than A3 upscaling.

hatt
06-11-2008, 05:34 PM
:roflmao: PS3 upscaling better than the A3? You have got to be joking. PS3 Blu Ray is not even better than A3 upscaling.

The_Omega_Man
06-11-2008, 05:42 PM
:roflmao:
+1 :roflmao: :roflmao: