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MGS4 reviews thread!

EddieDZ
05-30-2008, 07:33 AM
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p3.html

10 Presentation
From the opening videos to the end credits, the attention to detail throughout Guns of the Patriots is astonishing, setting new standards for production values in games.
10 Graphics
The visuals in MGS 4 are as cutting-edge as you can rightfully expect from the latest videogame blockbuster, boasting as much style as technical expertise.
10 Sound
The surround sound effects are stunning, having actual in-game effects, from using birdsong to detect enemies to choosing your own tunes.
10 Gameplay
Guns of the Patriots is the definitive MGS, taking stealth mechanics to new heights and throwing in so much more that you just have to discover it for yourself.
9.5 Lasting Appeal
Aside from the fact that the cut-scenes bear repeated viewing, you’ll want to play through MGS 4 again and again, simply to unlock ever more exotic weapons, items and player rankings.
9.9
Incredible OVERALL

And other mags's

PSM Italy: 10/10
UK OPM: 10/10
LEVEL #26: 10/10
Joypad: 19/20
Dutch OPM: 96/100
Hardgame2: 9/10
Console +: 18/20
Eurogamer: 8/10
GamePro: 5/5

so far, eurogamer has given it the lowest score.. i havent read the full review from eurogamer.net yet. however all other scores are triple A ..

awol
05-30-2008, 08:36 AM
:yippee: :thumbsup: :yippee: :thumbsup: :yippee: :thumbsup: :yippee:

KEEBS1984
05-30-2008, 10:45 AM
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p3.html



And other mags's

PSM Italy: 10/10
UK OPM: 10/10
LEVEL #26: 10/10
Joypad: 19/20
Dutch OPM: 96/100
Hardgame2: 9/10
Console +: 18/20
Eurogamer: 8/10
GamePro: 5/5

so far, eurogamer has given it the lowest score.. i havent read the full review from eurogamer.net yet. however all other scores are triple A ..

Eurogamer has some of the harshest game critics of any website or magazine out there. An 8/10 to them is basically a 9/10, 10/10 everywhere else...

Great reviews so far! Can't wait to get my mits on it. :D

P.S. Now this is what I'd consider to be PS3's first AAA title.

II SAL II
05-30-2008, 10:47 AM
why no multiplayer review?

SOBAY310
05-30-2008, 10:48 AM
Hmmm...I wonder if I can say "just kidding" to the guy I sold my PS3 to. :lol:

Cygnus
05-30-2008, 10:50 AM
Isn't that a seperate game? :confused:

why no multiplayer review?

II SAL II
05-30-2008, 10:54 AM
really? so if i want to play MGS4 and play it online i have to pay more money?

awol
05-30-2008, 11:32 AM
really? so if i want to play MGS4 and play it online i have to pay more money?

I believe so. Metal Gear Online is going to be a separate game I think. Honestly though, as someone who played the beta, I don't think it's going to be very good. Movement is excruciatingly slow, and the maps are too big for that kind of slow movement.

IMO had the maps been smaller, but more intricate, it would have worked. But I found that I didn't have enough time to complete the objectives as I was having to run/crawl from one end of the map to the other.

Give it a rent first. Don't plunk down full price for the admission.

KEEBS1984
05-30-2008, 11:39 AM
Really? You have to pay for an entirely separate game to play online? Thats a horrible business model! Especialyl when there are all these other AAA titles giving you the main game AND the multiplayer in one package. How upsetting...

Seriously, if GTAIV can package an awesome multiplayer experience with it's 40-100 hour long game then so can MGS4. :mad:

Ntruder
05-30-2008, 12:29 PM
Really? You have to pay for an entirely separate game to play online? Thats a horrible business model! Especialyl when there are all these other AAA titles giving you the main game AND the multiplayer in one package. How upsetting...

Seriously, if GTAIV can package an awesome multiplayer experience with it's 40-100 hour long game then so can MGS4. :mad:

You'd figure that in the 4 years this game was in production, they'd find a way to get it in the same package...

EddieDZ
05-30-2008, 12:35 PM
myself i reallly have not a single idea if MGS online will be a entire separate game that you have to buy on a entire separate blu-ray disc. i have not heard of this but at the same time i myself really dont know if the online portion is on the same disc as MGS4 (or maybe theres a 2nd disc that comes with MGS4 which is the online portion).. nothing like this has been confirmed yet so i have no idea..

if MGS online is indeed a seperate disc. i cant see anyone buying it for the price of $59.99.. it'll probably be like $39.99 (a.k.a. Warhawk game which sells as a stand alone for $40 and its online only).. .. i would realy prefer the online portion be right on the same disc OR at least be a 2nd disc in the package.. but i have no idea.. only time will tell.. i havent read any of these reviews in full yet but i will when i get home

II SAL II
05-30-2008, 12:48 PM
it must not be on this disc or it would have been part of the review?

o well.. it looks like i finally have a reason to buy a game on the PS3 now.. Im going to miss my Xbox360 controller for a few weeks :(

awol
05-30-2008, 12:54 PM
The last that I read, it would be a separate entity. This makes sense as the beta was going on when MGS4 went Gold. It wouldn't make sense for the game to be included with MGS4 unless it's going to be on it's own disc in the package, but again, I would think that would be announced.

Cygnus
05-30-2008, 01:42 PM
Is it rentable? I read a while back that it is a download only game. I doubt they will have two SKUs for one game, not including collectors version of course.

Give it a rent first. Don't plunk down full price for the admission.

awol
05-30-2008, 01:49 PM
Is it rentable? I read a while back that it is a download only game. I doubt they will have two SKUs for one game, not including collectors version of course.

I hadn't read that it would be a downloadable-only title. Suppose it's possible. The beta was only downloadable, but I don't know about the final release of the game. For all I know, they've gone a different direction and included it on the disc like MGS3: Subsistence. :what:

kamspy
05-30-2008, 01:53 PM
Sheesh.

The online aspect of MGS4 was tacked on to appease the suits at Konami who think every game needs an online portion because Halo and Warcraft are successful.

If they didn't include it, no one would even mention it was missing. Since they did throw the online crowd a bone, there's bitching.

Where was the outcry when Bioshock ( a great single player game) didn't have online play?

II SAL II
05-30-2008, 02:53 PM
Sheesh.

The online aspect of MGS4 was tacked on to appease the suits at Konami who think every game needs an online portion because Halo and Warcraft are successful.

If they didn't include it, no one would even mention it was missing. Since they did throw the online crowd a bone, there's bitching.

Where was the outcry when Bioshock ( a great single player game) didn't have online play?


you cant compare bioshock to the juggernaut of Metal Gear. I wouldnt be suprised to see Bioshock now included a multiplayer mode in its future release(s) and i would love to play it.. it would be like Shadowrun and im all for it !!!!

Cygnus
05-30-2008, 02:58 PM
True besides certain games (like MGS), having even basic multiplayer modes (DM, TDM, CTF, etc) more sense than others (Bioshock).

SOBAY310
05-30-2008, 03:32 PM
Sheesh.

The online aspect of MGS4 was tacked on to appease the suits at Konami who think every game needs an online portion because Halo and Warcraft are successful.

If they didn't include it, no one would even mention it was missing. Since they did throw the online crowd a bone, there's bitching.

Where was the outcry when Bioshock ( a great single player game) didn't have online play?

No way. If MGS4 didn't "tack" on any MP at all, then you would hear an even louder uproar over it. Frankly, a lot of people are going to be surprised when they fire up MGS4 and realize there isn't any multiplayer at all.

EDIT TO ADD: Keebs is right, the fact that they are going to charge for something that should be included is total horse crap.

KEEBS1984
05-30-2008, 03:32 PM
Sheesh.

The online aspect of MGS4 was tacked on to appease the suits at Konami who think every game needs an online portion because Halo and Warcraft are successful.

If they didn't include it, no one would even mention it was missing. Since they did throw the online crowd a bone, there's bitching.

Where was the outcry when Bioshock ( a great single player game) didn't have online play?

Surprise, surprise kamspy doesn't find anything wrong with this. Can Sony or a Sony-exclusive product do no wrong in our eyes?

I'm not angry because the single player launches as without a multiplayer. I am angry because the multiplayer that does coincide with the game is a stand-alone title. Why should we have to pay extra for what other games offer for free? I'd have been happier had Konami simply nixed the whole idea of a multiplayer than give us what looks so obviously like a cheap way to get a few extra bucks out of die hard fans.

But your right, let's instead turn our anger onto the BioShock devs who stated outright that there would be no multiplayer and instead relies on it's single player campaign... :rolleyes:

kamspy
05-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Surprise, surprise kamspy doesn't find anything wrong with this. Can Sony or a Sony-exclusive product do no wrong in our eyes?

I'm not angry because the single player launches as without a multiplayer. I am angry because the multiplayer that does coincide with the game is a stand-alone title. Why should we have to pay extra for what other games offer for free? I'd have been happier had Konami simply nixed the whole idea of a multiplayer than give us what looks so obviously like a cheap way to get a few extra bucks out of die hard fans.

But your right, let's instead turn our anger onto the BioShock devs who stated outright that there would be no multiplayer and instead relies on it's single player campaign... :rolleyes:

You've missed my point by a mile.

MGS has never been an online game. It's never been a multiplayer games. Yes, they made rough little online bits on PSP, but the series is a single player series.

MikeRox
05-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Where was the outcry when Bioshock ( a great single player game) didn't have online play?

There was plenty of uproar about the lack of online multiplayer in Bioshock on sites I looked at :p

As for the reviews, looks like another PS3 flop :lol: Personally I'd go with the Eurogamer score, all the other places seem to cream and pan depending how much the publisher paid em or how hyped the game is.

kamspy
05-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Where did you hear that the online portion was sold separately?

Here is the back of the Euro case (http://flickr.com/photos/david-nano/2514284140/sizes/l/)

You see the bit that says 2-16 online?

All this time I thought you tits were bickering over the quality of it, then I read the first page and Keebs post from deep left field and find that somehow you're under the belief the MGS:O will be sold separate.

railven
05-30-2008, 04:55 PM
Where did you hear that the online portion was sold separately?

Here is the back of the Euro case (http://flickr.com/photos/david-nano/2514284140/sizes/l/)

You see the bit that says 2-16 online?

All this time I thought you tits were bickering over the quality of it, then I read the first page and Keebs post from deep left field and find that somehow you're under the belief the MGS:O will be sold separate.

I was thinking the same thing.

MGS4 will have an online aspect. But from what I read, it seems later down the road MGS:O standalone will release for those that don't want MGS4, sort of like Portable OPs Plus for the PSP hit. It was basically a standalone of the online portion of Portable OPs.

MikeRox
05-30-2008, 05:00 PM
I always thought MGO was a "different game" but part of MGS4 as a package?

railven
05-30-2008, 05:24 PM
I always thought MGO was a "different game" but part of MGS4 as a package?

It is sort of a "different game" as it doesn't really use the core gameplay elements like most multiplayer games do.

I love MGS, but I didn't really get into the MGS:O beta. Not sure, it didn't feel like MGS. I was expecting more sneaking around and snapping of necks. Instead it was a slow paced 3rdPS with an occassional neck snapping.

kamspy
05-30-2008, 05:26 PM
It is sort of a "different game" as it doesn't really use the core gameplay elements like most multiplayer games do.

I love MGS, but I didn't really get into the MGS:O beta. Not sure, it didn't feel like MGS. I was expecting more sneaking around and snapping of necks. Instead it was a slow paced 3rdPS with an occassional neck snapping.

The tits from left field here don't understand that Konami suits likely insisted upon a multiplayer aspect to justify the gillions of dollars Kojima spent on making the single player campaign.

I doubt if I'll ever even play it.

railven
05-30-2008, 05:37 PM
The tits from left field here don't understand that Konami suits likely insisted upon a multiplayer aspect to justify the gillions of dollars Kojima spent on making the single player campaign.

I doubt if I'll ever even play it.

From what I've read, the online portion is really popular in Europe and Japan.

I guess, the US where fast-paced action movies/games dominate that kind of stuff doesn't sell well.

If Europe/Japan make good use of it, then sweet, I know Konami sees profits in it, if they didn't we wouldn't have seen Portable Ops Plus. It's hard to find a full version of MGS Portable Ops for the PSP. Makes me think the online portion is selling better than the actual game did.

KEEBS1984
05-30-2008, 05:42 PM
Where did you hear that the online portion was sold separately?

Here is the back of the Euro case (http://flickr.com/photos/david-nano/2514284140/sizes/l/)

You see the bit that says 2-16 online?

All this time I thought you tits were bickering over the quality of it, then I read the first page and Keebs post from deep left field and find that somehow you're under the belief the MGS:O will be sold separate.

I heard awol and I think either SAL or Eddie talking about it... earlier in this thread. Although it makes sense since the IGN review never actually covers the online portion of the game.

I also found this link (http://ps3.ign.com/objects/950/950626.html), but this says that MGO is being released with Metal Gear Solid 4 in the Metal Gear Online Starter Pack (whatever that is)...

Can anybody clear this up?

railven
05-30-2008, 05:46 PM
I heard awol and I think either SAL or Eddie talking about it... earlier in this thread. Although it makes sense since the IGN review never actually covers the online portion of the game.

I also found this link (http://ps3.ign.com/objects/950/950626.html), but this says that MGO is being released with Metal Gear Solid 4 in the Metal Gear Online Starter Pack (whatever that is)...

Can anybody clear this up?

That's what I read. MGS4 will bring MGS:O, like a handful of maps and so. But later down the year (not sure how far apart from MGS4) they'll release an MGS:O standalone that will include (not 100% sure) all the MGS4 content for their MGS:O pak, plus more maps and what not.

Think of it as an expansion to the MGS:O featured on MGS4. Similar to what they did with MGS: Portable OPs and MGS: Portable OPS Plus.

The first was the actual game (storyline + online) the second was mostly extra missions (no storyline) + revamped Online with new maps, players, modes, ect.

Those that buy MGS4 will get to play some of MGS:O, those that want the full MGS:O will have to buy the full MGS:O release.

Think of it as DLC, if you don't want the extra maps, modes, you don't need to buy it. But for those that really don't care for MGS' storyline but enjoyed the online portion, the standalone will cater to them.

As I said, it is hard to find Portable OPs, just about every new copy is Portable OPs Plus, which makes me think the Plus version sold better than the original.

kamspy
05-30-2008, 05:51 PM
I heard awol and I think either SAL or Eddie talking about it... earlier in this thread. Although it makes sense since the IGN review never actually covers the online portion of the game.

I also found this link (http://ps3.ign.com/objects/950/950626.html), but this says that MGO is being released with Metal Gear Solid 4 in the Metal Gear Online Starter Pack (whatever that is)...

Can anybody clear this up?

Expansion pack/Online only version for the tards who aren't weened off of online gaming enough to enjoy a masterful single player piece of art.

venomxr8
05-30-2008, 06:18 PM
im pretty sure MG Online comes with MGS4 as a seperate disk. You dont have to pay extra for it.

EddieDZ
05-31-2008, 07:28 AM
heres the only thing i can think of... if indeed the back of the case says online up to 16 players, yet the review like IGN didnt mention a single thing about it.. check out this quote right in the beginning of the review which raised my eye brow

UK, May 30, 2008 - In return for letting us play Metal Gear Solid 4 before its release, Konami issued us with a list of things that we're not allowed to discuss. This list of prohibited topics is pretty long, and even extends as far as several facts that the company itself has already made public. Regardless of Konami's list of prohibited topics though, this review was always going to be a spoiler-free zone, because part of the pleasure of playing Guns of the Patriots lies in discovering everything it has to offer.

what im thinking.. is maybe konami told these people that reviewed the game, to NOT mention anything about the online multiplayer portion.. maybe because konami is still brushing up on it or whatever or maybe the online portion that comes WITH MGS4 is just a "starter kit" and reviewing the online portion based on a starter kit is not fair and maybe perhaps down the road konami will add more content to the online portion.. thats my conclusion

sufs
05-31-2008, 09:14 AM
For all they know the online aspect of the game will not open up to the public till release day and so reviewers can't try it. I know for sure that the starter pack is included in the game.