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Tivo confirms Directv is dropping their service

mrm64
04-22-2005, 11:52 AM
Crap! This is the worst PVR-related news I've heard in a while. When News Corp gained ownership of DirecTV, many speculated (myself included) that Rupert Murdoch's other satellite company (with a DVR), NDS, might be used instead of the combination DirecTiVo boxes DirecTV customers now have.

Well, the sad truth is that indeed NDS boxes will be released early next year, alongside DirecTiVo boxes. The Tivo-DirecTV relationship ends in 2007, so hopefully they'll continue to support TiVo boxes after the NDS rollout next year. TiVo's stock to a hit today, since I think almost half of TiVo's million users are DirecTV customers running the combo TiVo unit.

This probably explains why all the Series 2 DirecTiVo boxes still don't have the Home Media Option or the USB ports turned on -- I'm guessing DirecTV would rather not raise customer satisfaction on a box they'd rather rid themselves of for a cheaper inferior NDS unit.

When people new to TiVo ask me what system they should buy, I always strongly encourage them to get a new DirecTiVo and DirecTV subscription over a standalone TiVo with cable, since it offers two tuners and great digital quality. With this latest news, I'm going to reconsider that advice and personally start looking elsewhere for the ultimate PVR solution, as it is clear now the future is murky for DirecTV and TiVo and my own beloved combo box.

Bruno
04-22-2005, 11:59 AM
This news has been out there for a while. I think most people here knew this was in the works. My understanding is that the tivo boxes will be replaced by D*.

Cygnus
04-22-2005, 01:20 PM
TiVo is dead anyway. Just wait until subscribers see the schemes they plan to pull, e.g. forcing to watch 1 sec ads, updating ads on subscribers DVRs, etc. I can't believe people pay such a high monthly cost for TiVo.

jmccorm
04-22-2005, 02:31 PM
I was one of the TiVo believers. Until recently. But I have to tell you, the DVR that Cox gave me may have dual tuners, and may do HDTV, but it's got a horrible interface, and it is riddled with bugs. TiVo is the right product, but the rest of their ship seems too brain damaged to make the right business deals.

Cygnus
04-22-2005, 03:22 PM
I have Comcast HD DVR. It supports dual tuner and of course HD. Sure its interface is not as slick as TiVo's but it only costs $5 per month, which is much cheaper than TiVo. With cable and satellite companies bundling their own DVRs, TiVo's days are numbered.

rockymtnbri
04-22-2005, 03:50 PM
I think TiVo should really start thinking about marketing their software for other things like PCs. I'm planning on building an HTPC and that software would be nice.

fishboy
04-24-2005, 12:59 PM
I have Comcast HD DVR. It supports dual tuner and of course HD. Sure its interface is not as slick as TiVo's but it only costs $5 per month, which is much cheaper than TiVo. With cable and satellite companies bundling their own DVRs, TiVo's days are numbered.

I have a DirecTV Tivo and it's only 4.99/month. It also has dual tuners. So your argument doesn't make sense to me. What are you saying is so bad about the DirecTV TiVo?

RSawdey
04-24-2005, 05:18 PM
This is the DirectTV HDTV model DVR for $4.99/month? Or SDTV?

fishboy
04-25-2005, 03:43 AM
That's the difference. Mine's not HD. But, I thought that the HD Tivo was the same price per month. I would guess in your case that you didn't need to purchase the hardware for $1000. That's a big difference. So, I would agree that Tivo will not make it under their current model. If they intend to make it they need to morph into a software only provider and just sell licenses to the major players building TV's and set top boxes. We all have seen how much Apple Computer has struggled in the market. Tivo will do the same unless they rethink their strategy.

guitarfish
04-25-2005, 08:06 AM
What about Tivo's recent deal with Comcast? As I understand it, they will begin rolling out Tivo DVR mid-to-late 2006. Just in time for the D* deal to run out.

http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/03/comcast_and_tiv.html

Any chance that this will revive Tivo?

louden
04-25-2005, 08:24 AM
I'm going to pick up a DirecTV Tivo HD. They claim nobody knows about it at DirectTV, so I'll take their word for it. I just picked up a new Samsung 5674W and the picture is great! I especially like a PC hooked up to it...

What would happen to current users once the agreement ends? We much get grandfathered into something...

mrm64
04-25-2005, 08:32 AM
Directv will begin coverting their 12 major markets this July. If you have a HD receiver with them they will replace your current receiver with the new generation mpeg4 receiver. With the lauch of Directv's new sattelites all customers will need new HD receivers. Many changes will continue to happen but Directv will certainly provide what you need to continue your HD viewing. As for the DVR part, Directv is disolving their relationship with TIVO and will manufactor their own receiver recorder. Again when this happens they will provide all customers with the latest technology changes in equipment. I verified this on Directv's last quarterly report.

calicogang
04-25-2005, 09:22 AM
My only hope is that when DTV sends me my new HD dual tuner with their won TIVO type of service it will be the same or better. I really do not know how they can improve on my current TIVO. What is great with TIVO via DTV is that I pay only 4.99 per month for the TIVO service for both units. One is SD and the other is HD.

louden
04-25-2005, 11:32 AM
Directv will begin coverting their 12 major markets this July.

What are their 12 major markets? Is Seattle one of them?

lee espinoza
04-25-2005, 12:10 PM
What are their 12 major markets? Is Seattle one of them?



The first group of DMAs to receive local HD channels is: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, San Francisco, Dallas, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Detroit, Houston and Tampa

Cygnus
04-26-2005, 10:48 AM
The lack of HD is a huge difference. My comcast HD DVR has dual tuners. Sure it does not have all of the bells and whistles of TiVo but its only $4.99 per month with no hardware costs. I have read that TiVo is testing upgrades to their DVR that will force subscribers to watch 1 second ads and update the ads on a subscriber's DVR to advertisements he/she has watched in the past. Speaking of apple, there are rumors of them buying TiVo, which would be a big mistake. Hmm unless they plan to use the TiVo technology on a rumored video IPod...


That's the difference. Mine's not HD. But, I thought that the HD Tivo was the same price per month. I would guess in your case that you didn't need to purchase the hardware for $1000. That's a big difference. So, I would agree that Tivo will not make it under their current model. If they intend to make it they need to morph into a software only provider and just sell licenses to the major players building TV's and set top boxes. We all have seen how much Apple Computer has struggled in the market. Tivo will do the same unless they rethink their strategy.

Cygnus
04-26-2005, 10:50 AM
Why would anyone with HD want TiVo's DVR? Comcast knows this, hence the token offer to TiVo.

What about Tivo's recent deal with Comcast? As I understand it, they will begin rolling out Tivo DVR mid-to-late 2006. Just in time for the D* deal to run out.

http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/03/comcast_and_tiv.html

Any chance that this will revive Tivo?

Cygnus
04-26-2005, 10:54 AM
Cool when is this expected to happen?? SBC may roll out their IPTV this fall. Currently I am with Comcast but I can quit at any time.


The first group of DMAs to receive local HD channels is: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, San Francisco, Dallas, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Detroit, Houston and Tampa

calicogang
04-26-2005, 11:31 AM
Why would anyone with HD want TiVo's DVR? Of course we do. DTV HD dual tuners with TIVO is the best out there. I for one would never go back to cable, period. Free or not, its sill cable, and I do not trust anyone at the wireheads.