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Shopping for my first HDTV, but I need help!

Hojo
05-13-2008, 08:18 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new here. Been reading around first to see if anyone brought up the models I'm looking at, but haven't seen anything. I've been shopping around off and on for my first HD set for about two months now and still haven't decided on THE one. I don't have a whole lot of knowledge when it comes to this stuff so I come to you fine people for your expert input.

First I'm looking at a set for around 1000-1500 dollars. I may open up a Best Buy credit card to get something a little more extravagant. That's where your input comes in to play.

Now this set will be used mostly for gaming. I have an XBOX 360 Elite and will soon get a PS3. When I get the PS3 I plan on switching to Blu-ray for movies, and eventually will get an HD box for the cable we have. I'm mostly interested in buying a Samsung set so here are the models that I'm interested in:

LN32A650
Someone told me that 1080p isn't worth it on a screen smaller than 40". Is this true? If not, this is the one I want hands down because it would be a nice set and it's very affordable. If that is true then I would like someone to let me know which of the following 40" sets are the best:

LN40A530,
LN40A550,
LN-T4069F,
or
LN-T4081F.

I'd purchase the one based on your testimonies, tips, and helpful insight. Sorry for the long post and thank you for your time. :D

hardeight
05-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Its really a matter of viewing distance, the smaller the screen the smaller the distance becomes where you can tell between 1080 and 720. The rough estimate is 4x the vertical screen size. I'm not sure how tall a 40" screen is but my 50" is about 2 feet. And I'd say the 4x formula holds true. At 8 feet away I can not see any pixelation on the screen. I don't notice it until I am about 5 feet away actually.

This has also been proven in blind tests where high end 720 sets were rated higher than mid-high 1080 sets when the reviewers were seated at the proper viewing distance.

I don't know much about samsungs so I will let someone else comment on that, but I'd say your safe going 720 and saving some cash unless you plan on sitting down right in front of the TV while gaming\watching movies. (I used to do that with my 32" but have no need now with the 50")

Hojo
05-13-2008, 09:05 PM
I would be sitting pretty close. I live in an apartment with two other roommates so this TV will be in my bedroom. I plan on getting a LoveSac and a TV stand that's pretty low to the ground so I'd say I'd be sitting about 5-6 feet from the TV.

PFC5
05-13-2008, 09:39 PM
I would say the best of the listed models is the LN-T4081F simply because it uses a LED for the backlight compared and this will give you the best black levels (black will look the darkest).

With your second post I see you may be watching the display with a vertical angle from the seat to the display screen. You will want to minimize viewing an LCD at ANY angle (either vertical or horizontal) because the picture quality (PQ) will degrade with any angle and the degradation will increase with the viewing angle increase. Do not believe them when they quote a 178 degree viewing angle. It is BS, but they all quote this wide a viewing angle. Sure you will see the picture still on the angles, but the PQ will be lower the further you move front straight in front of the display.

Hope this helps and welcome to the forum! :hithere:

Hojo
05-13-2008, 09:48 PM
The vertical viewing angle will not be much if any. The TV stand I'm looking at is only about a foot and a half high. I decided against a LoveSac because they are too expensive, so I have a standard sofa chair that I can sit in. That TV just may be just what I end up with. I'm still curious about the LN32A650 just because it's part of the new series, but can anyone tell me if 1080p is worth it on a 32"? You guys are helping me a great deal though. That LN-T4081F would look mighty nice in my room. And thanks for making me feel welcome!

PFC5
05-13-2008, 10:27 PM
I think you would need to be within 4 feet to get any real benefit from 1080p on a 32" display if you have average eyesight of around 20/20.

The calculation I use myself is diagonal measure multiplied by 1.5 for the distance for full effect of the 1080p resolution. I use a multiple of 2x for when it begins to be noticeable, and 2.5x where it is hardly noticeable with 20/20 vision. This is diagonal measure not vertical. It is easier to use diagonal since that is the measurement all mfg use and clearly state.

EDIT:

Here is a chart that shows I was correct from memory at what distance a 32" 1080p would be noticeable. A 40" 1080p would be perfect for a 6 feet viewing distance according to that chart also. ;)

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/
(click on the chart for a larger view of it)

I have 20/13 vision so I can see things from a little further away and my 47" 1080p display in my bedroom works perfectly for me at 10 foot viewing distance.

Hojo
05-13-2008, 11:04 PM
I think you would need to be within 4 feet to get any real benefit from 1080p on a 32" display if you have average eyesight of around 20/20.

The calculation I use myself is diagonal measure multiplied by 1.5 for the distance for full effect of the 1080p resolution. I use a multiple of 2x for when it begins to be noticeable, and 2.5x where it is hardly noticeable with 20/20 vision. This is diagonal measure not vertical. It is easier to use diagonal since that is the measurement all mfg use and clearly state.

EDIT:

Here is a chart that shows I was correct from memory at what distance a 32" 1080p would be noticeable. A 40" 1080p would be perfect for a 6 feet viewing distance according to that chart also. ;)



I have 20/13 vision so I can see things from a little further away and my 47" 1080p display in my bedroom works perfectly for me at 10 foot viewing distance.

Thanks for the advice! I've decided to go with the LN-T4081F. I saw that set live when it first came out, and have wanted it for a while. It's a little pricy but I can afford it. I'm sure I'll be very happy with it.

PFC5
05-13-2008, 11:10 PM
Glad to help!

I remember when i was just starting my search for a HDTV and I appreciated the help others gave me on forums. I just want to return the favor to others. ;)