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DVD Forum To Explore 3D Technology.

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 08:03 AM
Dear Company:

The DVD Forum is planning to study (the “Proposed Study”) the possible incorporation of 3D movie technology into The DVD Forum format specifications for DVD-Video and HD DVD-Video (the “DVD Format Specifications”). The DVD Forum plans to study only the feasibility and potential merit of incorporating 3D movie technology into the DVD Format Specifications. Please note that The DVD Forum has made no decision to incorporate such technology into the DVD Format Specifications and does not intend to select any specific 3D movie technology for inclusion at this time. After studying each proposed 3D movie technology, The DVD Forum will decide whether 3D movie technology should be incorporated into the DVD Format Specifications. As part of this study, The DVD Forum may also consider whether measures to achieve compatibility with existing DVD-Video and HD DVD-Video players would also need to be implemented in the event 3D movie technology is incorporated into the DVD Format Specifications.

The purpose of this request for information is to gather information to assist The DVD Forum in connection with the Proposed Study. Interested companies are encouraged to submit information and proposals to The DVD Forum for consideration

http://www.dvdforum.org/announce-3d.htm

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 08:12 AM
In case any are wondering. . .

:HD: is mentioned because it is still part of the DVD Specs.

dsskid
04-23-2008, 08:14 AM
Delete, you posted the answer prior to me hitting "enter"

ssjLancer
04-23-2008, 09:43 AM
?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/1229924~The-Adventures-Of-Shark-Boy-And-Lava-Girl-In-3-D-Posters.jpg

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 09:54 AM
?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/1229924~The-Adventures-Of-Shark-Boy-And-Lava-Girl-In-3-D-Posters.jpg

There is no "official" specification for putting 3D on a disc (DVD, HD DVD or BD). Yes - there have been a few atttempts - and each one seems to be different.

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 10:08 AM
I'm looking forward to some 3D content eventually, but 3D will be a niche forever IMO. To enjoy films as they have been enjoyed for decades, the only things to focus on is better PQ, better AQ, and bigger screens. 3D only can be really appreciated on a select set of content, like what is released in imax for example.

I'm glad they are working on it, but I don't see it being the future.

cbcdesign
04-23-2008, 10:21 AM
I think the exact opposite. 3D is "Very Much" the future and I am looking forward to seeing more work in this particular field.

iDarren
04-23-2008, 10:30 AM
3D has been around forever but it has never taken off...

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 10:51 AM
3D has been around forever but it has never taken off...


True - but this time it may for the following reasons:

1. Alot of 3D productions in the next 12 months
2. More and more theaters are being converted to Digital
3. The studios know it is almost impossible to pirate 3D the way it has for 2D DVD.
4. The studios have realized that people are willing to pay more to see a movie in 3D (Beowulf) . . . Cha Ching!

Nikopol
04-23-2008, 10:53 AM
do you still need the glasses for 3D today?

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 10:59 AM
do you still need the glasses for 3D today?

Yes - and it will continue to be so.

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 11:01 AM
do you still need the glasses for 3D today?

I believe Phillips made a TV where you didn't need glasses to view it in 3D, but to answer your question, in most cases, yes.

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 11:06 AM
True - but this time it may for the following reasons:

1. Alot of 3D productions in the next 12 months
2. More and more theaters are being converted to Digital
3. The studios know it is almost impossible to pirate 3D the way it has for 2D DVD.
4. The studios have realized that people are willing to pay more to see a movie in 3D (Beowulf) . . . Cha Ching!

1- what are these scheduled 3D productions?

2- digital doesn't mean 3D though, does it?

3- this is interesting to know, and a huge plus for the STUDIO, but what's important is the director. Only a small percentage of movies would benefit for 3D, and I don't see many directors being interested in the idea in most cases.

4- we can't even get many people to pay more for better PQ in movies(BD), who knows if J6P will be interested in making his setup 3D capable with such little content.

PFC5
04-23-2008, 11:17 AM
I think the exact opposite. 3D is "Very Much" the future and I am looking forward to seeing more work in this particular field.

I agree. 3D is the evolution of film/movies, but technology never seemed to be good enough to make it fly as a regular means of movies being delivered with it.

I think we will eventually be at a point where movies will mostly come in 3D, but I could only guess when that might be.

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 11:27 AM
I agree. 3D is the evolution of film/movies, but technology never seemed to be good enough to make it fly as a regular means of movies being delivered with it.

I think we will eventually be at a point where movies will mostly come in 3D, but I could only guess when that might be.

Do you really think that directors would prefer to shoot all their films in 3D?

Think about comedies, dramas, horror, etc. Most of those types of flicks wouldn't be any fun in 3D anyway. Maybe I just need to experience the 3D in home experience to understand that it could be appreciated, but as of now, I don't even know that I'd want all my movies in 3D. It just seems like the cinema theater type experience is not meant to be in 3D. Some films here and there would be a blast to watch in 3D, but for it to become mainstream and the norm? I still beg to differ.

iDarren
04-23-2008, 11:29 AM
Does this mean I'll finally be able to watch Jaws 3 in 3D at home?

crazyal
04-23-2008, 11:32 AM
IMO glasses are required will always be a limiting factor. If they could project the image in 3D that would be killer.

ssjLancer
04-23-2008, 12:21 PM
IMO glasses are required will always be a limiting factor. If they could project the image in 3D that would be killer.I agree. Not only to get widespread use in the living room but in the theatre aswell.

PFC5
04-23-2008, 12:25 PM
Do you really think that directors would prefer to shoot all their films in 3D?

Think about comedies, dramas, horror, etc. Most of those types of flicks wouldn't be any fun in 3D anyway. Maybe I just need to experience the 3D in home experience to understand that it could be appreciated, but as of now, I don't even know that I'd want all my movies in 3D. It just seems like the cinema theater type experience is not meant to be in 3D. Some films here and there would be a blast to watch in 3D, but for it to become mainstream and the norm? I still beg to differ.

We as humans actually see things in 3D, so wouldn't that be the preferred way to so all movies? I am not purposefully having the script state to send objects towards the screen to show the 3D effect more, but to just see things as we see them in reality.

If they can find a way to do this at a reasonable price I would love it. I think it will eventually be the way we see them.

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 12:35 PM
We as humans actually see things in 3D, so wouldn't that be the preferred way to so all movies? I am not purposefully having the script state to send objects towards the screen to show the 3D effect more, but to just see things as we see them in reality.

If they can find a way to do this at a reasonable price I would love it. I think it will eventually be the way we see them.

I see what your saying. See, I don't have much experience with 3D. I've probably seen a handful of flicks at the local imax, but that's it.

In fact, I think I'm going to put a trip to the imax on my agenda for this weekend. There is one about 15 mins from my place, very conveinient.

Maybe thatll change my outlook on all this.

Dare
04-23-2008, 12:49 PM
3D will never be anything more than a novelty until they can invent a display that creates real 3D in space instead of simulating it with a 2D display.

The deal-breakers are...

1. Glasses
2. The headache-inducing "flat" 3D. Your eyes see depth, but you can't see around anything if you move your head around. That is the feature that prevents your brain from being able to tolerate it for very long.

The volume of 3D movies coming out doesn't mean anything. 3D movies came out like crazy in the '50s.

jimdorey
04-23-2008, 01:50 PM
First of all if you are curious as to how many 3D features are coming out in the next 4 years check out my site which is devoted to 3D movies and technology: just Google "MarketSaw". (Can't post a URl yet on here lol)

3D is here to stay so you naysayers should really look into it as you don't want to be one of the last saying "the world is flat". Here is why:

1. 3D is now the STANDARD for all animation movies coming out of the big 3 studios namely: Pixar, Disney Animation and Dreamworks Animation. That's ALL movies folks. That says a lot right there.
2. Most of the major directors and studios have 3D movies in the works. James Cameron is making a 3D movie "Avatar" for his long awaited comeback with a $250m budget!
3. There has been rapid deployment of 3D technology to the digital screens out there and another $800m tagged for more digital screens to be converted. See my 3D theater list on MarketSaw.
4. We SEE in 3D. Hello? Were there any naysayers when we went to color from black and white? Were they right?
5. Glassless technology IS coming, just a matter of time.
6. 3D home theater equipment is NOW being produced. See Samsung, Mitsubishi and Panasonic for starters.

I could keep going but I have to head home from work now! The point is, don't be put off by the naysayers. They probably haven't seen "U2 3D" or "Beowulf" yet and believe me, those two movies are just the beginning of much better and mammoth productions like "Avatar".

Oh and there are no headaches with modern technology like there used to be with the old cardboard red and blues. If you get a headache when you move your head (I don't!) then... ummm... don't move your head! lol.

Glasses a pain? Cmon. We all wear sunglasses outside - whoopdeedoo. These things are LIGHTER than sunglasses.

Thats it for me now - but I invite you to check out my movie list (the best there is on the Net btw) and my breaking stories about all things 3D. If you have any questions feel free to comment or use the 'Contact Me' form!

kamspy
04-23-2008, 01:57 PM
The glasses are pain for me because of my beach ball sized cranium. (gotta hold all those powerful braincells in there somehow)

But I still look forward to a in-home version of Beowulf with a 3D option, even if I have to wear glass that barely make it to my ears.

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 02:05 PM
First of all if you are curious as to how many 3D features are coming out in the next 4 years check out my site which is devoted to 3D movies and technology: just Google "MarketSaw". (Can't post a URl yet on here lol)

3D is here to stay so you naysayers should really look into it as you don't want to be one of the last saying "the world is flat". Here is why:

1. 3D is now the STANDARD for all animation movies coming out of the big 3 studios namely: Pixar, Disney Animation and Dreamworks Animation. That's ALL movies folks. That says a lot right there.
2. Most of the major directors and studios have 3D movies in the works. James Cameron is making a 3D movie "Avatar" for his long awaited comeback with a $250m budget!
3. There has been rapid deployment of 3D technology to the digital screens out there and another $800m tagged for more digital screens to be converted. See my 3D theater list on MarketSaw.
4. We SEE in 3D. Hello? Were there any naysayers when we went to color from black and white? Were they right?
5. Glassless technology IS coming, just a matter of time.
6. 3D home theater equipment is NOW being produced. See Samsung, Mitsubishi and Panasonic for starters.

I could keep going but I have to head home from work now! The point is, don't be put off by the naysayers. They probably haven't seen "U2 3D" or "Beowulf" yet and believe me, those two movies are just the beginning of much better and mammoth productions like "Avatar".

Oh and there are no headaches with modern technology like there used to be with the old cardboard red and blues. If you get a headache when you move your head (I don't!) then... ummm... don't move your head! lol.

Glasses a pain? Cmon. We all wear sunglasses outside - whoopdeedoo. These things are LIGHTER than sunglasses.

Thats it for me now - but I invite you to check out my movie list (the best there is on the Net btw) and my breaking stories about all things 3D. If you have any questions feel free to comment or use the 'Contact Me' form!

Hi and welcome to HDF!:hithere:

Your link:

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

For the naysayers . . . a bunch of links from this link on the right of the site - all about the 3D coming:

http://www.dcinematoday.com/default.aspx

PFC5
04-23-2008, 02:07 PM
First of all if you are curious as to how many 3D features are coming out in the next 4 years check out my site which is devoted to 3D movies and technology: just Google "MarketSaw". (Can't post a URl yet on here lol)

3D is here to stay so you naysayers should really look into it as you don't want to be one of the last saying "the world is flat". Here is why:

1. 3D is now the STANDARD for all animation movies coming out of the big 3 studios namely: Pixar, Disney Animation and Dreamworks Animation. That's ALL movies folks. That says a lot right there.
2. Most of the major directors and studios have 3D movies in the works. James Cameron is making a 3D movie "Avatar" for his long awaited comeback with a $250m budget!
3. There has been rapid deployment of 3D technology to the digital screens out there and another $800m tagged for more digital screens to be converted. See my 3D theater list on MarketSaw.
4. We SEE in 3D. Hello? Were there any naysayers when we went to color from black and white? Were they right?
5. Glassless technology IS coming, just a matter of time.
6. 3D home theater equipment is NOW being produced. See Samsung, Mitsubishi and Panasonic for starters.

I could keep going but I have to head home from work now! The point is, don't be put off by the naysayers. They probably haven't seen "U2 3D" or "Beowulf" yet and believe me, those two movies are just the beginning of much better and mammoth productions like "Avatar".

Oh and there are no headaches with modern technology like there used to be with the old cardboard red and blues. If you get a headache when you move your head (I don't!) then... ummm... don't move your head! lol.

Glasses a pain? Cmon. We all wear sunglasses outside - whoopdeedoo. These things are LIGHTER than sunglasses.

Thats it for me now - but I invite you to check out my movie list (the best there is on the Net btw) and my breaking stories about all things 3D. If you have any questions feel free to comment or use the 'Contact Me' form!

Welcome to the forum! :hithere:

I think people also need to remember that studios want to find new ways to get people INTO THEATERS again. Having a lot of movies coming out in 3D where only theaters can handle 3D at this point would be a plus for the studios to adopt it.

They did the same thing with widescreen movies back in the day too. The studios want to make the money in the theaters first and make Home video the gravy revenue, so they will always look for new ways to get people to go to movie theaters first.

iDarren
04-23-2008, 03:37 PM
I've never actually seen anything in 3D.

Does it look good, or just gimmicky? I mean doing it on a cartoon/graphics image like Beowulf is one thing, but real actors....

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 03:46 PM
The glasses are pain for me because of my beach ball sized cranium. (gotta hold all those powerful braincells in there somehow)

But I still look forward to a in-home version of Beowulf with a 3D option, even if I have to wear glass that barely make it to my ears.

You could always just duct tape them to the sides of your head kampsy. :D

anythingwt
04-23-2008, 03:49 PM
I've never actually seen anything in 3D.

Does it look good, or just gimmicky? I mean doing it on a cartoon/graphics image like Beowulf is one thing, but real actors....

It would probably look like the image in your sig...

What I've seen in 3D, is in your face 3D. As in, sitting in the theater, 30 ft from the screen, but having the sensation that you can literally reach out and touch the object right in front of you. Its real cool, and I'd love to see some content at home.

dangerdoc
04-23-2008, 04:27 PM
3D will never be anything more than a novelty until they can invent a display that creates real 3D in space instead of simulating it with a 2D display.

The deal-breakers are...

1. Glasses
2. The headache-inducing "flat" 3D. Your eyes see depth, but you can't see around anything if you move your head around. That is the feature that prevents your brain from being able to tolerate it for very long.

The volume of 3D movies coming out doesn't mean anything. 3D movies came out like crazy in the '50s.

I haven't seen a 3D movie since the days of red/blue glasses, and that was truely attrocious.

I did some work with 3D medical imaging about a decade ago. It used lcd glasses with an IR timer. That was actually pretty good. No shadows and the color was normal. Later versions of the product would refresh up to 120 hz which was 60 hz to each eye which was a little irritating. The first version was 60 hz which gave a nearly seizure producing 30 hz refresh to each eye. These products used CRT monitors which occasionally produced some strobing.

A tech produced some home video that actually looked pretty good. The resolution was below SD but the 3D effect was very natural and did enhance the picture.

The glasses required a couple of watch batteries and were actually pretty comfortable. The whole unit was very light and adjusted in multiple directions for comfort. They did look dorky, I'm sure you would never get a woman to wear them.

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 04:30 PM
I haven't seen a 3D movie since the days of red/blue glasses, and that was truely attrocious.

I did some work with 3D medical imaging about a decade ago. It used lcd glasses with an IR timer. That was actually pretty good. No shadows and the color was normal. Later versions of the product would refresh up to 120 hz which was 60 hz to each eye which was a little irritating. The first version was 60 hz which gave a nearly seizure producing 30 hz refresh to each eye. These products used CRT monitors which occasionally produced some strobing.

A tech produced some home video that actually looked pretty good. The resolution was below SD but the 3D effect was very natural and did enhance the picture.

The glasses required a couple of watch batteries and were actually pretty comfortable. The whole unit was very light and adjusted in multiple directions for comfort. They did look dorky, I'm sure you would never get a woman to wear them.

Do you live anywheres near a IMAX 3D theater? If you do - you owe it to yourself to see what the best 3D can look like now . . .

"This ain't your fathers 3D."

www.imax.com

Dare
04-23-2008, 05:40 PM
Oh and there are no headaches with modern technology like there used to be with the old cardboard red and blues. If you get a headache when you move your head (I don't!) then... ummm... don't move your head! lol.


Additional 3D accessories:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/displaygraphic.php/255/ag_030400danek_halo80-BB.jpg

Nice sales pitch BTW.

Lee Stewart
04-23-2008, 05:58 PM
Special 3D Glasses To Come With The Hanna Montana BD:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x66/LeeAStewart/blueglasses.jpg

ssjLancer
04-23-2008, 06:19 PM
First ever 3D television shown (http://livingindryden.org/images/home/emptyWindow06042005B.jpg) without the need for special glasses.
Customers rave 'Its like looking out a window!'

jimdorey
04-23-2008, 06:47 PM
LOL at the head brace!

Live action (real actors) is so much better right now. No offense to "Beowulf" but Zemeckis is a bit before his time - his time will come though when the performance capture technique is mastered.

If you have seen "U2 3D" then you will get a taste of live action. That movie was awesome and I have seen it 5 times in the theatre (twice IMAX, three times Real D).

I just posted today that the DVD format is taking the first steps toward bringing 3D technology to their standard! That's huge. It is no gimmick - it will be everyday life soon and much more than just movies! TV, camcorders, web sites, gaming, etc are all going to be changing soon.

I'm just happy to be in the center of it! :-)

dangerdoc
04-23-2008, 07:19 PM
Do you live anywheres near a IMAX 3D theater? If you do - you owe it to yourself to see what the best 3D can look like now . . .

"This ain't your fathers 3D."

www.imax.com

That's kind of funny.

14 years ago I changed occupations which allowed me to move from SoCal to Midwest city to small town then to way-out-in-the-sticks. My nearest neighbor is a half mile away and there are more deer than people but looking at your link, I have an IMAX 3D about 30 minutes away. I can remember when I lived in California, the post office in my neighborhood was 30 minutes away.

I may have to check out a movie, thanks for the link.

Studio Support
04-23-2008, 08:43 PM
This should be interesting.

crazyal
04-24-2008, 07:31 AM
3D porn would spark a revolution all by itself. But I think we are a good ten years away from seeing this in peoples houses. But here's to dreaming of the shark in "Back to the future".

The_Omega_Man
04-25-2008, 01:59 AM
I've never actually seen anything in 3D.

Does it look good, or just gimmicky? I mean doing it on a cartoon/graphics image like Beowulf is one thing, but real actors....
Just don't watch a 3D porno! :eyecrazy :lol:

cbcdesign
04-25-2008, 09:57 AM
I went to our local Imax to see James Cameron's Ghosts of the Abyss when it was released a few years ago and that was absolutely fantastic. The shots of the ship wreck were something else. Massive and in perfect 3D. It was as near to being there as you could get.

Shots taken on the surface of the sea were awesome too. It was as if our seats were suspended a few feet above the sea whilst all the waves in front of us were real. It really was an experience and I was blown away by it. It was without doubt the most impressive hour I have ever spent in a cinema.

I still found some of the shots a bit difficult to focus on but they were few and far between.

If you get an opportunity to see a proper 3D movie, not a cartoon but something real, go for it. I would be very surprised if you are dissapointed.