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Apocalypto HD DVD - Buy it here

Studio Support
04-19-2008, 10:11 PM
Apocalypto HD DVD
http://www.idvd.pl/sklepy/filmy/kolekcje/67/#wiecej

Jimmy Smith
04-19-2008, 10:33 PM
Go ahead buy it I dare you. Cause soon Disney and Lionsgate are moving to be HD-DVD exclusive. Its true. How do I know. Some asshole pulled facts out of his ass and told me and other people in a private message.

Recherchť
04-19-2008, 10:42 PM
Apocalypto HD DVD
http://www.idvd.pl/sklepy/filmy/kolekcje/67/#wiecej

This is the one BD title I've always wanted. The only site that was selling it was Polish and didn't ship to U.S. I will buy it at this site once I navigate around it. I'm a bit tentative though as I once ordered Bugs! from amazon germany only to have total come to $82.00 as unbeknownst to me at time I clicked on epedited delivery opposed to regular. What a dumbass I was. It cost me an extra $32 to get it a few days sooner. I'm really cheap when it comes to delivery. I always pick free delivery on amazon and DD, even though it may take weeks to get HD DVD's. I must say I really do cherish my $82.00 Bugs! HD DVD. Damn, it still hurts to pay that much though. Now I'm once more pissed.

kamspy
04-19-2008, 10:48 PM
This is the one BD title I've always wanted. The only site that was selling it was Polish and didn't ship to U.S. I will buy it at this site once I navigate around it. I'm a bit tentative though as I once ordered Bugs! from amazon germany only to have total come to $82.00 as unbeknownst to me at time I clicked on epedited delivery opposed to regular. What a dumbass I was. It cost me an extra $32 to get it a few days sooner. I'm really cheap when it comes to delivery. I always pick free delivery on amazon and DD, even though it may take weeks to get HD DVD's. I must say I really do cherish my $82.00 Bugs! HD DVD. Damn, it still hurts to pay that much though. Now I'm once more pissed.

I hope you speak Myan. No English subs:(
Might want to cancel that Recherche

This disc costs more than my player:eek:
NiB A20 $55:cool: :)

Nice find Super, but a warning to the members:

NO ENGLISH SUBTITLES!!!

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 05:28 AM
It's also another one of Gibson's blood thirsty movies too and some may find it quite sickening. I certainly did. When I think back to the sort of movies he used to star in such as the Lethal Weapon series for example which were funny and entertaining then look at his latest work as a director..... :what:

Stew4HD
04-20-2008, 05:37 AM
It's also another one of Gibson's blood thirsty movies too and some may find it quite sickening. I certainly did. When I think back to the sort of movies he used to star in such as the Lethal Weapon series for example which were funny and entertaining then look at his latest work as a director..... :what:

Did you watch Apoc? This movie is one of my favorite HDM movies. It's no more bloodthirsty than many other films out there. The way in which it was filmed, the scenery/backdrop is stunning. The audio track is awesome! That waterfall scene is what I use to show off my system.

The only sickening thing about it is how it portrays the way humans can be and are so cruel to each other.

Maybe Passion of the Christ has left a sour taste in your memory? I am far from being religious but found Passion to be a very good movie as well. Maybe it's just me, but I like Gibson's direction style.

As always, we all have varying opinions and I respect yours. This isn't a knock against your opinion but a rebuttal only :)

iDarren
04-20-2008, 05:38 AM
It's also another one of Gibson's blood thirsty movies too and some may find it quite sickening. I certainly did. When I think back to the sort of movies he used to star in such as the Lethal Weapon series for example which were funny and entertaining then look at his latest work as a director..... :what:

Yes but unlike so many violent films, Gibson's film violence in The Passion and Apocalypto is not there for "entertainment", it actually has a purpose/meaning.

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 05:57 AM
Pleeeeease don't bother trying to suggest Apocolyto had any kind of meaning. It took many liberties with the history of the Myan people and has been critisized by academics who study the Myan culture. One expert has called the film an insult to the Maya culture.

As for the "It's no more bloodthirsty than many other films out there" comment, that is highly debatable. I don't recall seeing anything as sickening as the decapitation scene. Many of the the characters were portrayed as sick depraived individuals with no reedeming features whatsoever.

Considering the Myan culture was one of the most advanced of its time, something that was completely ignored in this movie, I find nothing of value in this production whatsoever. It's nothing but a torture fest and a long winded chase scene that defies common sense.

iDarren
04-20-2008, 06:03 AM
Pleeeeease don't bother trying to suggest Apocolyto had any kind of meaning. It took many liberties with the history of the Myan people and has been critisized by academics who study the Myan culture. One expert has called the film an insult to the Maya culture.

As for the "It's no more bloodthirsty than many other films out there" comment, that is highly debatable. I don't recall seeing anything as sickening as the decapitation scene. Many of the the characters were portrayed as sick depraived individuals with no reedeming features whatsoever.

Considering the Myan culture was one of the most advanced of its time, something that was completely ignored in this movie, I find nothing of value in this production whatsoever. It's nothing but a torture fest and a long winded chase scene that defies common sense.

I found meaning in it. But having said that - I have no interest in buying it or watching it again.

Stew4HD
04-20-2008, 06:26 AM
Pleeeeease don't bother trying to suggest Apocolyto had any kind of meaning. It took many liberties with the history of the Myan people and has been critisized by academics who study the Myan culture. One expert has called the film an insult to the Maya culture.

As for the "It's no more bloodthirsty than many other films out there" comment, that is highly debatable. I don't recall seeing anything as sickening as the decapitation scene. Many of the the characters were portrayed as sick depraived individuals with no reedeming features whatsoever.

Considering the Myan culture was one of the most advanced of its time, something that was completely ignored in this movie, I find nothing of value in this production whatsoever. It's nothing but a torture fest and a long winded chase scene that defies common sense.

You know what they say about opinions... I get that you didn't like it, as is your opinion. This movie was never portrayed as historically accurate. I have watched this movie several times with many friends, all enjoyed it for what it is... a film that is wonderfully shot and directed. I hold no negative feelign towards Gibson. I enjoy his directing style. No glossing over a subject... it's in your face and "real".

I stand by my "no less bloodthirsty" comment as I have seen much worse. I will always recommend this movie.

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 06:48 AM
Really? Name a Hollywood movie that you feel is worse that Appocolypo's decapitation scene?

Chris Gerhard
04-20-2008, 06:59 AM
Go ahead buy it I dare you. Cause soon Disney and Lionsgate are moving to be HD-DVD exclusive. Its true. How do I know. Some asshole pulled facts out of his ass and told me and other people in a private message.

I got the same PM months ago and I bet from the same member, the one posting this valuable information here I can't even see fortunately. I just put that member on ignore and haven't had to see another PM nor deal with the crap ever again.

I thought this movie was excellent but it was rental and I have no plans to purchase it, certainly not an import HD DVD if that even exists.

Chris

Stew4HD
04-20-2008, 07:03 AM
Really? Name a Hollywood movie that you feel is worse that Appocolypo's decapitation scene?

Define worse? There are many movies that show beheadings.. 30 Days of Night, for one. I understand how that scene can affect people. We had come to like the victims, felt compassion and sympathy for them. They were peacefully living their lives before the cruel tribe came a did what they did.

What was it about this scene that has so profoundly bothered you? Am I saying it is a great scene? Heck no but I take in account the context of the scene. Why were they beheading the slaves?

It has been well documented that the Mayans were into human sacrifice and beheading was a popular way to pay hommage to their god. Did they do it the top of the temple? I dunno but they did do it in public. The whole temple and beheading part of the film is disturbing, as it should be. Many parts of the movie is disturbing, but the entirety of the movie puts those things into perspective, IMO.

cbc, I am not saying you are wrong because I cannot say your opinion is wrong. I guess I am trying to let those know that haven't seen it, that there is so much more to this movie than a beheading and chase scene. :hithere:

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 07:32 AM
Define worse? There are many movies that show beheadings.. 30 Days of Night, for one. I understand how that scene can affect people. We had come to like the victims, felt compassion and sympathy for them. They were peacefully living their lives before the cruel tribe came a did what they did.

What was it about this scene that has so profoundly bothered you? Am I saying it is a great scene? Heck no but I take in account the context of the scene. Why were they beheading the slaves?

It has been well documented that the Mayans were into human sacrifice and beheading was a popular way to pay hommage to their god. Did they do it the top of the temple? I dunno but they did do it in public. The whole temple and beheading part of the film is disturbing, as it should be. Many parts of the movie is disturbing, but the entirety of the movie puts those things into perspective, IMO.

cbc, I am not saying you are wrong because I cannot say your opinion is wrong. I guess I am trying to let those know that haven't seen it, that there is so much more to this movie than a beheading and chase scene. :hithere:

It's not decapitation that is the problem necessarily, it's the fact that this scene was so drawn out. It would have been sufficient to show one slave having his heart cut out whilst he was alive then being decapitated. That would have been shocking enough. Instead we saw several heads rolling down the steps long before they even get to the top of the tower then see two or three slaves killed. It was very gruesome and done to shock the audience in my opinion. I don't think stretching the scene out added anything useful to the story and was therefore merely gratuitous violence.

I have nothing against showing decapitation necessarily. Sometimes a character is so dispicable that seeing this individual lose his head is a good thing. Sometimes decapitation can be an honourable thing too such as the Samurai that asked Katsumoto to help him end his shame in the movie last Samurai.

I am not saying people shouldn't watch the movie. By all means give it a go but I wish I had been forewarned when I saw it then perhaps I would have been prepared for the nature of the violence portrayed in the sacrificial decapitation scene. As it was I was discusted, shocked and appalled by it.

brenner
04-20-2008, 07:43 AM
Although I did like Apocalypto, it is very much like The Naked Prey directed by (and starring) Cornell Wilde, which is loosely based on a real life chase about a trapper named John Colter. John Colter was part of the Lewis & Clark expedition.
The Naked Prey has a completely different point though. And I thought it did a better job at making it's point. But that is just an opinion.:what:
I am quite surprised The Naked prey wasn't mentioned as an inspiration. But I guess the same goes for The Most Dangerous Game starring Joel McCrea and Fay Wray.

iDarren
04-20-2008, 07:43 AM
I think the long drawn out scene cbcdesign describes was necessary to create the sense of dread and horror. ONE beheading in advance of the climactic scene wouldn't have acheived that. The whole scene was grotesque and horrific and meant to make the viewer feel sick. It worked!

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 07:59 AM
I think the long drawn out scene cbcdesign describes was necessary to create the sense of dread and horror. ONE beheading in advance of the climactic scene wouldn't have acheived that. The whole scene was grotesque and horrific and meant to make the viewer feel sick. It worked!

Ok so as this was not an historical documentary but a Hollywood movie and therefore made to entertain, was being made to feel sick acceptable? I don't think so! That's my point.

MikeRox
04-20-2008, 08:10 AM
On the otherhand would toning it down when others want to see that sort of thing in a film be acceptable?

iDarren
04-20-2008, 08:16 AM
Ok so as this was not an historical documentary but a Hollywood movie and therefore made to entertain, was being made to feel sick acceptable? I don't think so! That's my point.

Why are you so focused on this "historical documentary" issue? You know it doesn't have to be "exactly" historically accurate to have a meaning/value. Films about the Roman Empire don't have to be "historically spot on" to convey certain truths about humanity.

I don't think Gibson was trying to say "this is a true story".

Recherchť
04-20-2008, 08:21 AM
Damn. Thanks all. No English subtitles. Cripes. I'm trying my darndest in delaying getting bd player so I can finally purchase this movie. Wonder if there will be a 1.1 version of sorts coming out.

This movie is one of my favorites. I don't a all see what is so gory about this movie at all. Of course I sat through all those Faces of Death videos without flinching. The one I do so vividly remember best is some satanic chic slicing the throat of a man tied in ropes. You could hear the gurgling and coughing of blood as it shot up every where. Even coaxed my little sister at time to watch it. Uh, I'm a bit off topic but ummm...yeah superb movie.

MikeRox
04-20-2008, 08:31 AM
Buena Vista titles are of a higher standard in presentation IMO than many HD DVD releases, so I don't think a 1.1 release or anything would be necessary for this title :)

Just wait til ur ready to buy a Blu-ray player, and know that you have this film sat waiting for you when you do.

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 08:31 AM
Why are you so focused on this "historical documentary" issue? You know it doesn't have to be "exactly" historically accurate to have a meaning/value. Films about the Roman Empire don't have to be "historically spot on" to convey certain truths about humanity.

I don't think Gibson was trying to say "this is a true story".

I am not focused on it pursay but if a movie is made and isn't historically accurate then it SHOULD at least entertain. I am not entertained by visual images that make me feel sick like this one did.

In response to your comment Mike, should people actualy want to see images like that and if so for what reason? I would be worried if I knew anybody who found the scene I mentioned "entertaining".

MikeRox
04-20-2008, 08:42 AM
There are alot of disturbing people out there however. It's quite similar to people who enjoy horror films etc. If there wasn't a demand for that sort of scene however, there'd never be any films made containing them. I've been put off several films by the presence of such scenes.

Lee Stewart
04-20-2008, 08:46 AM
Well guys . . . .

Thanks for the heads up!

I was going to watch it on HD CBL . . .

Now I will pass.

bruceames
04-20-2008, 08:47 AM
I didn't really like the movie. Partly because I felt the violence was rather excessive and also I didn't want to listen to Mayan the whole time. Maybe I'd feel differently if I gave it another shot, and I would have if this HD DVD had English subs.

iDarren
04-20-2008, 09:00 AM
I am not focused on it pursay but if a movie is made and isn't historically accurate then it SHOULD at least entertain.

I don't agree. For me personally it doesn't have to be "perfectly historically accurate" to have a meaning beyond vulgar entertainment.

I mean c'mon, how many great "social message" films based on history are even remotely accurate when you look beyond the surface? Very few.

And this defence of Apocalypto is coming from someone who doesn't like blood and guts horror films :)

Chris Gerhard
04-20-2008, 09:46 AM
Although I did like Apocalypto, it is very much like The Naked Prey directed by (and starring) Cornell Wilde, which is loosely based on a real life chase about a trapper named John Colter. John Colter was part of the Lewis & Clark expedition.
The Naked Prey has a completely different point though. And I thought it did a better job at making it's point. But that is just an opinion.:what:
I am quite surprised The Naked prey wasn't mentioned as an inspiration. But I guess the same goes for The Most Dangerous Game starring Joel McCrea and Fay Wray.


I am familiar with both of those old films and in fact did recall The Naked Prey when I watched Apacolypto. I like all three films a lot.

Chris

cbcdesign
04-20-2008, 09:48 AM
I don't agree. For me personally it doesn't have to be "perfectly historically accurate" to have a meaning beyond vulgar entertainment.

Fair enough but this film is a Hollywood movie made to entertain people. If scenes of violence are so graphic that they make people feel sick the film has failed to do the very thing it was created for, to entertain. Appocolypto is not trying to teach us anything we didn't already know afterall. It's not a great social commentary on the human condition either. It's a hoolywood movie aimed at a mainstream audience.

I mean c'mon, how many great "social message" films based on history are even remotely accurate when you look beyond the surface? Very few.

True.

And this defence of Apocalypto is coming from someone who doesn't like blood and guts horror films :)

Now see I like Horror movies. They are rediculous and are not trying to make any sort of social comment. They are mindless gory flicks made to scare and entertain and I know what to expect and where I stand when I watch them.

MikeRox
04-20-2008, 10:17 AM
Fair enough but this film is a Hollywood movie made to entertain people. If scenes of violence are so graphic that they make people feel sick the film has failed to do the very thing it was created for, to entertain.

There may have been other peopel who enjoyed the film more as a result of the excessive gore/violence. I've never watched the film myself same with Passion of the Christ purely cause of all the statements about excessive overly graphic gore. Something which doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

brenner
04-20-2008, 11:35 AM
I am familiar with both of those old films and in fact did recall The Naked Prey when I watched Apacolypto. I like all three films a lot.

Chris

I agree all three are very good films. I watched The Most Dangerous game years ago (on Laserdisc) and loved it. And recently bought the Criterion version of Naked Prey. Again, loved it.
I am not a Horror Film Buff, except for the classics. But these movies do not fall in that category.

Dare
04-20-2008, 12:20 PM
Apocalypto was overrated. If you took away the gimmick of everyone speaking Mayan, it would just be a pretty standard chase flick.

I think it was intended to remove any guilt people of european descent may have towards the Spanish wiping out the Mayans. He only showed the Mayan horrors, without also showing the Spanish horrors. The Spanish appeared as saviors, and all I could think of about the Mayans at the end of the film was 'good riddance'. (Which I kind of agree with. The Mayans got so far out of hand towards the end that they needed a good wiping out, or at least a revolution.) It was like the end of Lord of the Flies when the navy shows up.

So anyway, it didn't make any points that I disagreed with, but it was still a pretty ho-hum, and incomplete, movie.

Jimmy Smith
04-20-2008, 09:32 PM
Apocalypto was overrated. If you took away the gimmick of everyone speaking Mayan, it would just be a pretty standard chase flick.

I think it was intended to remove any guilt people of european descent may have towards the Spanish wiping out the Mayans. He only showed the Mayan horrors, without also showing the Spanish horrors. The Spanish appeared as saviors, and all I could think of about the Mayans at the end of the film was 'good riddance'. (Which I kind of agree with. The Mayans got so far out of hand towards the end that they needed a good wiping out, or at least a revolution.) It was like the end of Lord of the Flies when the navy shows up.

So anyway, it didn't make any points that I disagreed with, but it was still a pretty ho-hum, and incomplete, movie.

I think you miss the point of the movie. Look at the opening quote "No great civilazation has been destroyed from without until first destroying itself from within" The movie is set in the 1500s, 400 years after the Mayans started to fall. The Mayans in their prime were one of the most advanced civilazations of their age. With unique astronomical abilities, warfare, and architecture they were in many ways more advanced then Europeans were at the time. However due to unknown circumstances internal waring and chaos lead the Mayans to fall until after awhile they were the amoral, depraved, society seen in Apocalyto. Gibson a devout Catholic was trying to show what can happen to a society when it fills with moral decay and disrespect for human life.

Jimmy Smith
04-20-2008, 09:34 PM
I got the same PM months ago and I bet from the same member, the one posting this valuable information here I can't even see fortunately. I just put that member on ignore and haven't had to see another PM nor deal with the crap ever again.

I thought this movie was excellent but it was rental and I have no plans to purchase it, certainly not an import HD DVD if that even exists.

Chris

The same person who wrote that spam is still spamming. He started this stupid thread. Who the Hell honestly would import the HD-DVD with HD-DVD having lost the war and the Blu-Ray version having superior sound. It is simply maddness to import the HD-DVD.

Dare
04-20-2008, 10:04 PM
I think you miss the point of the movie. Look at the opening quote "No great civilazation has been destroyed from without until first destroying itself from within" The movie is set in the 1500s, 400 years after the Mayans started to fall. The Mayans in their prime were one of the most advanced civilazations of their age. With unique astronomical abilities, warfare, and architecture they were in many ways more advanced then Europeans were at the time. However due to unknown circumstances internal waring and chaos lead the Mayans to fall until after awhile they were the amoral, depraved, society seen in Apocalyto. Gibson a devout Catholic was trying to show what can happen to a society when it fills with moral decay and disrespect for human life.

No, I think I pretty much covered that. Besides, it still doesn't make the movie anything more than a standard chase flick. :p

Recherchť
04-20-2008, 10:29 PM
The same person who wrote that spam is still spamming. He started this stupid thread. Who the Hell honestly would import the HD-DVD with HD-DVD having lost the war and the Blu-Ray version having superior sound. It is simply maddness to import the HD-DVD.

I would had imported it if it had English subtitles. How is it spamming? He is simply stating that it is available in my beloved HD DVD format. BD zealots like Jimmy Smith is why I hold back from purchasing BD's. What business of yours what I am to buy? F off already. Begone from this thread.

Studio Support
04-20-2008, 10:46 PM
I would had imported it if it had English subtitles. How is it spamming? He is simply stating that it is available in my beloved HD DVD format. BD zealots like Jimmy Smith is why I hold back from purchasing BD's. What business of yours what I am to buy? F off already. Begone from this thread.

Iím actually thinking of auctioning off my blu-ray movies and the PS3 all thanks to people like Jimmy the zealot Smith.
What is wrong with posting this info? Absolutely nothing.

Studio Support
04-20-2008, 10:47 PM
The same person who wrote that spam is still spamming. He started this stupid thread. Who the Hell honestly would import the HD-DVD with HD-DVD having lost the war and the Blu-Ray version having superior sound. It is simply maddness to import the HD-DVD.
Your new nickname is Jummy Zealot Smuth:)

kamspy
04-20-2008, 11:29 PM
Iím actually thinking of auctioning off my blu-ray movies and the PS3 all thanks to people like Jimmy the zealot Smith.
What is wrong with posting this info? Absolutely nothing.

How much? I'll trade you any HD DVD I have for it's duplicate on BD.

Nikopol
04-21-2008, 01:54 AM
Iím actually thinking of auctioning off my blu-ray movies and the PS3 all thanks to people like Jimmy the zealot Smith.
What is wrong with posting this info? Absolutely nothing.

Don't let someone on the internet spoil your enjoyment of something you care about. I did that mistake once and sort of regret it now.

There is nothing wrong with the info you've posted.

Jimmy Smith
04-21-2008, 10:21 AM
Iím actually thinking of auctioning off my blu-ray movies and the PS3 all thanks to people like Jimmy the zealot Smith.
What is wrong with posting this info? Absolutely nothing.

If there at a good price I might buy em from ya