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joystiq: GTA IV Poll results: Achievements, DLC put 360 ahead

Cygnus
04-14-2008, 01:45 PM
joystiq took a poll as to which version of GTA4 PS3 and 360 owners will buy and why. Below are the results...

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/14/poll-results-achievements-dlc-main-reason-to-pick-gta-iv-for-x/

36,416 votes
Xbox 360 at 58%, PlayStation 3 at 42%

Conclusion:

The top reasons cited for playing Grand Theft Auto IV on the Xbox 360 were achievements (24), the downloadable content (24) and more friends on Xbox Live (20). As for those who picked the PlayStation 3, the reason commenters most often gave was hardware concern for the Xbox 360 (17), either the Red Ring of Death or the loud cooling fan, especially after 100 hours of gameplay. Surprising to us was the number of people who said they didn't care about downloadable content (10).

Very interesting is the ratio of those who picked Xbox 360 over PS3 in the poll, 1.38:1. That the Xbox 360 overtook Sony's platform is unsurprising given its current lead in total hardware sales; sales data released by both companies in January put the ratio at 1.86:1 in Microsoft's favor (that's based on 17.7 million Xbox 360s worldwide vs. the 9.5 million end-of-March projection by Sony -- the reality likely makes for an even larger ratio). Anecdotally, it would seem a larger proportion of polled PS3 owners intend to purchase GTA IV compared to their Xbox 360 counterparts.

Here's what some of the Joystiq Network staffers said when asked which version they planned to pick up:

* Ross Miller: "Xbox 360. Most of my friends have Xbox Live and I need something else to play online with them between Call of Duty 4 matches and Rock Band marathons."

* Kyle Orland: "Three Words: Xbox 360. Achievements."

* Alexander Sliwinski: "I'm getting the Xbox 360 version for the potential of extra content and because of achievements. I'm not an addict, but I do like to earn them for recreation."

* Andrew Yoon (PS Fanboy): "Both versions are pretty much the same to me. But, I'm picking up the Xbox 360 version -- 'cos I am an achievement whore."

* Alisha Karabinus (Nintendo Fanboy): "Xbox 360 all the way, because I would need to jack actual cars, out on the actual street, to afford a damn PS3."

* Kyle Horner (Massively): "I've got both systems and I'll be going with the 360 version, mostly because I want to play the multiplayer on XBL and the feel of the 360 controller which already has the rumble. Also, the eventual downloadable content and native 360 development don't hurt either."

kamspy
04-14-2008, 01:50 PM
The early review of the game that got pulled said the PS3 had much more of a population on the streets. The 360 version has a more cartoony look and more bloom lighting.

Here's a link to a copy of it before it was yanked by Take2
http://home.comcast.net/~infamousdd/CGReviews_-_Cam_Garish_Reviews_-_One_Review_at_a_Time.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~infamousdd/CGReviews_-_Cam_Garish_Reviews_-_One_Review_at_a_Time.html)l

Both games will be great, but early indications say the PS3 being the lead dev platform paid dividends.

360 version has "pop-up" pedestrians and cops. The PS3 does require an install, but the install seems to keep the pop up people and draw distances down.

GLOW
04-14-2008, 01:54 PM
I'd rather have trophies in my penthouse apt than achievements. Plus the PS3 version has better anti-aliasing than the 360 version.

We still don't even know what the DLC is. It could suck balls. It could just be extra missions. GTA4 DLC doesn't mean jack to me until we know what it is.

KEEBS1984
04-14-2008, 01:59 PM
I'd rather have trophies in my penthouse apt than achievements.

I'll never understand the reasoning behind people's fascination with achievements/trophies. They don't mean, or do anything...

Anyways, like I said before the 360 version will sell more. We didn't need a poll to know this. The 360 total install base is over 18 million worldwide, the PS3 is hovering around 11.5 million.

Because of this it would be a miracle if GTAIV sold more on the PS3...

kamspy
04-14-2008, 02:01 PM
I'll never understand the reasoning behind people's fascination with achievements/trophies. They don't mean, or do anything...

Anyways, like I said before the 360 version will sell more. We didn't need a poll to know this. The 360 total install base is over 18 million worldwide, the PS3 is hovering around 11.5 million.

Because of this it would be a miracle if GTAIV sold more on the PS3...

Want to wager a BD of the winners choice? Shall we set some parameters? End date, source of numbers, etc?

Cygnus
04-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Home still is vaporware until it is released. Got a link saying PS3 version has better anti-aliasing? In the past, PS3 version of multiplatform games had more jaggies and ran poor. Correct me if I am wrong but I think 360 was the lead platform for GTA4. Regarding DLC, M$ spent $50 million for it. Even R* rep said 360 was the definitive version to buy:

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/grand-...13153735796095
It's no secret that the long-ago announced downloadable episodes for Grand Theft Auto IV will be exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of the game. According to Rockstar Games spokesman Hosi Simon, however, there won't be any consolation prizes for those who choose to buy the PlayStation 3 edition instead. When asked during a preview of the game (which you can read about here, if you haven't already) whether there would be any advantage to owning the PS3 version that could rival the 360's exclusives, Simon said, "not that I can think of."

"They're identical games," Simon continued. "We're not hardware makers, and we're not like a pawn between these companies, we try not to be as much as we can. We make great games for people to enjoy on whichever system they want.

"But I guess if you want the complete experience with the episodes, then yeah, you should buy the 360, I suppose," Simon said.

Cygnus
04-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Hmm weren't you recently challenged to a bet and declined? ;)

Want to wager a BD of the winners choice? Shall we set some parameters? End date, source of numbers, etc?

KEEBS1984
04-14-2008, 02:06 PM
The early review of the game that got pulled said the PS3 had much more of a population on the streets. The 360 version has a more cartoony look and more bloom lighting.

Here's a link to a copy of it before it was yanked by Take2
http://home.comcast.net/~infamousdd/CGReviews_-_Cam_Garish_Reviews_-_One_Review_at_a_Time.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~infamousdd/CGReviews_-_Cam_Garish_Reviews_-_One_Review_at_a_Time.html)l

Both games will be great, but early indications say the PS3 being the lead dev platform paid dividends.

360 version has "pop-up" pedestrians and cops. The PS3 does require an install, but the install seems to keep the pop up people and draw distances down.

Did you even read the thing? No offense kamspy, but it almost seems like you are intentionally trying to make it seem like the PS3 version is better than the 360 version. Here is what the author actually says concerning the graphics/performance between the two systems:

The truth is that, if installed, the game looks equally impressive on both systems.

The PS3 has a more relaxed color pallet, but this gives everything a more realistic look. If you don't like the realistic look, and you have a HDMI connection, you can fiddle with your PS3 display settings and get it looking much more saturated. The textures are just as sharp as the 360 version, and there's little to no pop-in or screen tearing. The PS3 takes longer to load than the 360, but I took several different head counts in game at different locations, and I always found the PS3 to be more populated than the 360. This could be attributed to the dynamic nature of the world, but it's hard to tell. Either way, the difference was never more than five to seven pedestrians or three to four cars—it's not really much of an advantage.

The 360 is bright. Boy is it bright. Based on discussion history, this one will be claimed to look better, but it'll really be preference. The texture quality is the same on both systems, but the 360 has a more cartoon-like look. This isn't a bad thing. It just depends on preference. I'd compare the difference to that of Oblivion on each system. The 360 also suffers from some frame rate drops that are almost non-existent on the PS3. Installing the 360 version on your system's hard drive, however, will bring performance almost up to par with the PS3.

The 360 version comes with an optional install (PS3's is mandatory). If you choose to install on the 360 then the performance is basically equal to the PS3s in loadtimes and pop-ins...

KEEBS1984
04-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Want to wager a BD of the winners choice? Shall we set some parameters? End date, source of numbers, etc?

Ya I'm down. Sounds like fun. :D

I'd like to set one month as the end date. Thats my only request as I am going to be gone in Europe for 3 months this summer.

GLOW
04-14-2008, 02:23 PM
Got a link saying PS3 version has better anti-aliasing? In the past, PS3 version of multiplatform games had more jaggies and ran poor.

This is not the PS2, this is the PS3! :thumbsup:

the PS3 build has less aliasing issues

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/855/855555p1.html

:D

GLOW
04-14-2008, 02:24 PM
Ya I'm down. Sounds like fun. :D

I'd like to set one month as the end date. Thats my only request as I am going to be gone in Europe for 3 months this summer.

What're you gonna be doing in Europe, Geoff? ;)

II SAL II
04-14-2008, 02:42 PM
ok there is one thing that this pole does not touch on.. and thats the user base actually taking the poll on there website. how many canusal gamers actually take this poll? which im sure is higher than the hard core gamer. now im not syaing the PS3 version will outsell the Xbox360 verison (which most of the non-fanboys know that it wont) but the poll must be taken with a grain of salt. if anything this poll just shows which version the hard core gamer prefers. and im realy suprised that they didnt mention the XBL functionality as the top reason why gamers pick it?

and are you kidding me that the only high % reason for getting it on the Ps3 wasnt becasue of the PSN, name brand, or graphics, or anything like that.. it was only becasue of the faulier rates of the Xbox360.. so basically all the PS3 users would get it on the Xbox360 if the failure rate was lower?

GLOW
04-14-2008, 02:51 PM
BTW, here are NeoGAF's poll results:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269965

I only link this because Joystiq users tend to have brain damage. No offense, Cygnus. ;)

KEEBS1984
04-14-2008, 04:27 PM
What're you gonna be doing in Europe, Geoff? ;)

Backpacking around with my girlfriend for 3 months. :D

In fact we just booked all our hostels.

Lisbon
Barcelona
Paris
London
Brussels/Bruge
Copenhagen
Stockholm
Helsinki
Berlin
Zurich
Rome
Dublin

It's gonna be awesome. :D Also, I am plotting out where I want to move too. I just recently found out that I have French citizenship and I am considering moving over to Europe for a time to establish roots in a different culture. :)

Anyways that was way off-topic. :o Sorry.

bboncorr
04-14-2008, 06:32 PM
Hmm weren't you recently challenged to a bet and declined? ;)

funny but please don't bring that up again. it wasn't my finest moment and i'm guessing he could say the same.

eiger
04-15-2008, 09:01 AM
I'll never understand the reasoning behind people's fascination with achievements/trophies. They don't mean, or do anything...
...

I'm not an achievement whore nor do I store trophies in my house. However take this into consideration -

There is an active thread right now that someone started to "list all the games you've beaten". Yay. Achivements brought a whole new challenge to the market. For certain games when I see 1000/1000 I know the person has talent. I have more respect for those folks than someone who simply played an easy campaign for no other reason but to pave the easiest path to an ending. ;)

GLOW
04-15-2008, 09:16 AM
Backpacking around with my girlfriend for 3 months. :D

In fact we just booked all our hostels.

Lisbon
Barcelona
Paris
London
Brussels/Bruge
Copenhagen
Stockholm
Helsinki
Berlin
Zurich
Rome
Dublin

It's gonna be awesome. :D Also, I am plotting out where I want to move too. I just recently found out that I have French citizenship and I am considering moving over to Europe for a time to establish roots in a different culture. :)

Anyways that was way off-topic. :o Sorry.

Awesome! :thumbsup: You're gonna have such a good time. Roma and Paris are 2 of my favorite places in Europe. I'm so jealous. :p

Barcelona is fun too. If you get some extra time into that busy schedule, take the ferry from Barcelona to Ibiza and stay for a few days. It's paradise! :thumbsup:

KEEBS1984
04-15-2008, 09:54 AM
I'll look into that. :)

That is... if we don't go broke first. :o The dollar to euro conversion is killing me right now. :(

Cygnus
04-15-2008, 10:00 AM
Yeah I was thinking...you must be rich! You picked the wrong time to go to europe. But enjoy your trip :D

I'll look into that. :)

That is... if we don't go broke first. :o The dollar to euro conversion is killing me right now. :(

Cygnus
04-15-2008, 10:03 AM
I'd rather go by what the maker of the game said....

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/grand-...13153735796095
It's no secret that the long-ago announced downloadable episodes for Grand Theft Auto IV will be exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of the game. According to Rockstar Games spokesman Hosi Simon, however, there won't be any consolation prizes for those who choose to buy the PlayStation 3 edition instead. When asked during a preview of the game (which you can read about here, if you haven't already) whether there would be any advantage to owning the PS3 version that could rival the 360's exclusives, Simon said, "not that I can think of."

"They're identical games," Simon continued. "We're not hardware makers, and we're not like a pawn between these companies, we try not to be as much as we can. We make great games for people to enjoy on whichever system they want.

"But I guess if you want the complete experience with the episodes, then yeah, you should buy the 360, I suppose," Simon said.


This is not the PS2, this is the PS3! :thumbsup:



http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/855/855555p1.html

:D

GLOW
04-15-2008, 10:11 AM
I'd rather go by what the maker of the game said....

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/grand-...13153735796095
It's no secret that the long-ago announced downloadable episodes for Grand Theft Auto IV will be exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of the game. According to Rockstar Games spokesman Hosi Simon, however, there won't be any consolation prizes for those who choose to buy the PlayStation 3 edition instead. When asked during a preview of the game (which you can read about here, if you haven't already) whether there would be any advantage to owning the PS3 version that could rival the 360's exclusives, Simon said, "not that I can think of."

"They're identical games," Simon continued. "We're not hardware makers, and we're not like a pawn between these companies, we try not to be as much as we can. We make great games for people to enjoy on whichever system they want.

"But I guess if you want the complete experience with the episodes, then yeah, you should buy the 360, I suppose," Simon said.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what all multiplatform developers have been saying this gen. They always say the games look the same, but as you know, they don't. The 360 is always the superior version with better graphics and framerate.

:rolleyes:

junehhan
04-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Okay, so there is an option to isntall the game onto the HD for the X360 version? Anyone know how much HD space it woudl require? I need to know since I better start NOW clearing stuff off my HDD as i've got a bunch of demos and trailers currently.

II SAL II
04-15-2008, 11:01 AM
if you dont have enough space Xbox360 will tell you how much space you need. it will pop up a blade that will provided this info for you.

MikeRox
04-15-2008, 11:28 AM
Both games will be great, but early indications say the PS3 being the lead dev platform paid dividends.

I thought the Xbox 360 was the lead platform? The 360 project was certainly ahead of the PS3 one for the most part, and all early builds demonstrated via vids etc were of the 360 version. I think it was actually a simultaneous development using the same assets, rather than a port to either console.

Type A
04-15-2008, 11:45 AM
If given the choice Id want the achievements.

At almost 6000, I consider my gamerscore much like my johnson; not huge, but respectable.:lol:

Ntruder
04-15-2008, 12:48 PM
I'll never understand the reasoning behind people's fascination with achievements/trophies. They don't mean, or do anything...

Anyways, like I said before the 360 version will sell more. We didn't need a poll to know this. The 360 total install base is over 18 million worldwide, the PS3 is hovering around 11.5 million.

Because of this it would be a miracle if GTAIV sold more on the PS3...

It just gives you a reason to keep playing. Gives you more purpose other than you're bored and there's nothing on TV. Video games like this should be played through more than once. Achievements just help you with that; make it a little more fun.

I remember in Halo: Combat Evolved, it gave you these small little medals next to each level when you beat it on a certain difficulty. I think I got at least one or two extra playthroughs just to get those completely filled out with all the normal, heroic, and legendary medals.

mshulman
04-15-2008, 02:53 PM
I'll never understand the reasoning behind people's fascination with achievements/trophies. They don't mean, or do anything...

Anyways, like I said before the 360 version will sell more. We didn't need a poll to know this. The 360 total install base is over 18 million worldwide, the PS3 is hovering around 11.5 million.

Because of this it would be a miracle if GTAIV sold more on the PS3...

I love achievements. It gives me more goals in a game and adds replay value to it. Even if I win, the achievements are like secondary wins which I often will try to get.

Its this reason that I get any dual platform games on my 360.

ssjLancer
04-15-2008, 02:53 PM
I bet GTA4's home integration will be much more interesting than Lives achievements.

You Won! 60G
Complete the final mission.

I mean come on.. finish the game and you get 'gamerpoints'?
If they do home right it can potentially be like
Complete the final mission.
Access to new GTA themed clothing, furniture, posters, trophies to put into your penthouse.

II SAL II
04-15-2008, 03:04 PM
the problem with home and all these trophies and things is that its just to much for other players to see what you have achieved. If im playing a game and want to see what you have i have to walk through your home and view all this stuff? on Xboxlive i can simpley 2 click and see everything i need to in a simple format. i think Sony is trying to do more than they can do at this time in a payless service. people want to play the games not walk around in a vertual world and look at rewards and dress up a usless avatar with cloths and things.

if you want all this stuff your better off buying a MMO and playing it.. becasue thats all this stuff is?

GLOW
04-15-2008, 03:08 PM
I bet GTA4's home integration will be much more interesting than Lives achievements.

You Won! 60G
Complete the final mission.

I mean come on.. finish the game and you get 'gamerpoints'?
If they do home right it can potentially be like
Complete the final mission.
Access to new GTA themed clothing, furniture, posters, trophies to put into your penthouse.

Agreed. I'd rather see something pleasing to the eye than numbers. Tbh, though, I don't really care about either. I like to play games to have fun, not to compete or show off. That's not to mean I didn't smile a little bit when I saw my Super Stardust HD score was much higher than most of the peole on my friends list. :D

mshulman
04-15-2008, 03:22 PM
I bet GTA4's home integration will be much more interesting than Lives achievements.

You Won! 60G
Complete the final mission.

I mean come on.. finish the game and you get 'gamerpoints'?
If they do home right it can potentially be like
Complete the final mission.
Access to new GTA themed clothing, furniture, posters, trophies to put into your penthouse.

It really all depends on what you get out of it. If bragging is your thing, then either works - home may offer more.

I just like it as another goal. Every game has 1 goal - win. With the achievements, there are now 10-50 other ways to "win". I've found it adds tremendous replay value and couldn't care less if anyone views my achievements, so in that respect, home wouldn't offer me anything.

ssjLancer
04-15-2008, 04:24 PM
Agreed. I'd rather see something pleasing to the eye than numbers. Tbh, though, I don't really care about either. I like to play games to have fun, not to compete or show off. That's not to mean I didn't smile a little bit when I saw my Super Stardust HD score was much higher than most of the peole on my friends list. :DTrue, either type of accomplishment is only slightly interesting to me.
Its kind of funny. Achievements arent anything new... remember when they used to be called 'unlockables?'
Developers need to go back and reward achievments with actual things 'in-game.'

Who knows though, I did like Animal Crossing and the Sims for a while.. Home may turn out to be just as addictive.

ssjLancer
04-15-2008, 04:29 PM
It really all depends on what you get out of it. If bragging is your thing, then either works - home may offer more.

I just like it as another goal. Every game has 1 goal - win. With the achievements, there are now 10-50 other ways to "win". I've found it adds tremendous replay value and couldn't care less if anyone views my achievements, so in that respect, home wouldn't offer me anything.If its for bragging doesnt the PS3 already have that?
The highest score in guitar hero, the fastest lap in gran turismo, your COD4 ranking etc.
imo the gamerscore really just means you play alot of more games, not that youre better at each game or even overall.

kamspy
04-15-2008, 06:02 PM
I'm playing through R6-2 right now on PS3. Not for gamer points, but for personal achievements. I don't need a blip and a graphic for gratification.

Liquidx
04-16-2008, 12:40 AM
I just like it as another goal. Every game has 1 goal - win. With the achievements, there are now 10-50 other ways to "win". I've found it adds tremendous replay value and couldn't care less if anyone views my achievements, so in that respect, home wouldn't offer me anything.

BINGO.