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callmeblade69
04-13-2005, 11:07 PM
does dish provide local channels in hd? if so, do they provide off-air antennaes for me to have the locals in hd? i am in los angeles. any inputs would be appreciated. :confused:

GRN
04-13-2005, 11:57 PM
does dish provide local channels in hd? if so, do they provide off-air antennaes for me to have the locals in hd? i am in los angeles. any inputs would be appreciated. :confused:

Only local DISH provides in HD is CBS-HD. You should qualify for it in LA.

jergenf
04-14-2005, 08:28 AM
You'll have to get a TV antenna (outdoor preferred) to get the LA digital channels. Check this web site for antenna requirements

http://antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

So far only CBS-HD is available but that requires the 148 satellite.

retorq
04-14-2005, 12:08 PM
I was told 61.5 carried the CBS HD feed.

gwhoughton
04-14-2005, 01:23 PM
I live in the Valley (North Hollywood/Valley Village), and I got the Zenith Silver Sensor set-top antenna for over-the-air local HD. It does work well (EXCELLENT quality pic & sound), although I am sure that a roof-top solution would probably be better...

Although most local stations are located in virtually the same direction, I have found that I might have to turn the antenna a few degrees to switch from ABC7.1 to FOX11.1 or KCETHD 28.1

Also, sometimes (pretty rarely) I have found that reception drops out depending on where you sit in relation to the antenna.

My installers weren't that sharp, and either really didn't know, or just didn't want to be bothered about installing a roof top antenna, so I just decided to keep the Silver Sensor. It was less than $40.00 @ Sears anyway~

I live in an apartment building or I would install a Weingard Square Shooter or similar~

Hope that helps...

PS I don't get the CBS HD via DISH, but frankly, my SONY's built in tuner gets a better picture over-the-air with the little Silver Sensor antenna than the DISH receiver provides anyway. I always switch over to the OTA antenna for ANY local broadcast... HD or SD

daleb
04-15-2005, 06:16 AM
My heart goes out to any of you with displays without built-in HD tuners and you have Dish. The 811 will not reliably scan and store local HD stations. It is a bug I was made aware of yesterday when I contacted Dish about another problem, which they resolved.
Many problems can be resolved by holding in the power button for 5 or 6 seconds to reset the receiver. You will have to wait for the receiver to download again.
Unfortunately, this does not fix the local HD prob. I found the tuner in my display has bit better PQ anyway.

jergenf
04-15-2005, 06:41 AM
I was told 61.5 carried the CBS HD feed.
Yes 61.5 has CBS-HD east (NYC) and 148 has CBS-HD west (LA).

GRN
04-15-2005, 11:37 AM
The 811 will not reliably scan and store local HD stations.

What do you mean by "this local HD problem"? My 811 has scanned and stored every local antennaweb and HDTV Pub says I should be getting, and some more that they don't list. The only time I have had to rescan is when they were doing combiner work on the Empire State Building.

daleb
04-15-2005, 12:53 PM
What do you mean by "this local HD problem"? My 811 has scanned and stored every local antennaweb and HDTV Pub says I should be getting, and some more that they don't list. The only time I have had to rescan is when they were doing combiner work on the Empire State Building.

Well, apparently not all 811s have the problem. I can scan 4 or 5 channels (digital) and store them. By the time I move some to my 'favorites' list, one or two or missing. The tech told me this has been a recurring probl on some 811s. I think the PQ is better through my display tuner right now anyway, so I am in no hurry to change 811s for only this problem.

GRN
04-15-2005, 01:01 PM
Well, apparently not all 811s have the problem. I can scan 4 or 5 channels (digital) and store them. By the time I move some to my 'favorites' list, one or two or missing. The tech told me this has been a recurring probl on some 811s. I think the PQ is better through my display tuner right now anyway, so I am in no hurry to change 811s for only this problem.

Oh I see. OK. Yeah, that might not be a widespread problem. I know my 811, anyway, doesn't have it....

daleb
04-16-2005, 08:45 AM
Oh I see. OK. Yeah, that might not be a widespread problem. I know my 811, anyway, doesn't have it....

Having the 811 select my local HDs instead of the tuner only offered a little convenience. I still have to get up and move my Silver Sensor a bit to get a couple of stations. :o

fredinva
04-17-2005, 06:00 AM
If you have to adjust your antenna, how do you expect the 811 to hold on to digital staions???

CM4228 with pre-amp on my chimney and my 811 has been flawless - go figure.

fred

callmeblade69
04-17-2005, 09:54 AM
let me see if i understand this correctly...as long as i have an off-air antenna, i will get all my local channels in hd (cbs, abc, wb, nbc, fox) here in l.a.? of course, provided that they are transmitting in hd.

RSawdey
04-17-2005, 11:26 AM
Of course, your local stations are broadcasting in BOTH analog & digital, and only the digital transmissions can carry digital TV... depending on the locations of the transmitters relative to your location, you may get away with a multi-directional antenna, or require a rotator. Check www.antennaweb.org to find details for your area...

daleb
04-17-2005, 12:22 PM
If you have to adjust your antenna, how do you expect the 811 to hold on to digital staions???

CM4228 with pre-amp on my chimney and my 811 has been flawless - go figure.

fred

In otherwords, if you disconnect your outside antenna momentarily, for any reason you need to scan the HD stations into your 811 all over again? Go figure is right...
I get better PQ off my display tuner anyway, not a big difference, but noticeable.
Plus, I'd rather have an indoor antenna, temporarily, until they are available on Dish, or another provider as included channels not OTA, but hopefully the quality will be something close to HDNet, etc. , than stick up an antenna outside. Little advantage for me just to have the 811 capture them.

daleb
04-17-2005, 05:12 PM
If you have to adjust your antenna, how do you expect the 811 to hold on to digital staions???
fred


After rethinking the issue I am more convinced an outdoor antenna is not the solution.
I don't lose them on my display's tuner when I adjust the antenna, they just lock on again when they are found. The station frequencies are always stored, justing waiting for a signal to give an output.
The 811 will not store the station frequencies them unless the signal is there constantly? Your argument doesn't hold.....er...signals.... :)

You are right, the 811 can't hold on to the signal, but worse, it can't store the frequency!

Right now I get CBS, NBC, Fox and PBS without touching my indoor antenna. The only real advantage of an outdoor antenna is 'range'. Something I don't need, thank goodness.