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No Shortage of BD disc supply!

hatt
04-04-2008, 09:18 AM
Expected Blu-ray surge to test disc supply
Sony says it will meet increased demand
By Danny King -- Video Business, 3/13/2008
MARCH 13 | LA QUINTA, Calif.—Movie studio executives speaking at the Content Delivery and Storage Assn. conference here last weekend had little doubt that Sony’s victory with Blu-ray Disc in the high-definition format war will spur sales of packaged media. Supplying the discs necessary for such a surge may be another story.

With some studios and analysts expecting Blu-ray spending to triple this year as Warner Home Video, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Paramount Home Entertainment all switch away from Toshiba’s discontinued HD DVD format, some disc replicators who can’t change HD DVD lines will have to invest in building new Blu-ray facilities.

Executives from Sony’s DADC division, which expects to triple its North American Blu-ray disc production to 160 million discs this year, and Bertelsmann’s Arvato unit said they won’t have trouble meeting the increased demand, though Sony allowed that there could be temporary shortages if demand spikes.

“As with all formats that are growing in popularity, there is the potential to have spot shortages during peak seasons,” said Jim Twiggs, VP of strategic development at Sony DADC Americas. “At this point, there are no shortages, and the market is adding capacity as fast as possible to ensure adequate capacity for all.”

“We have just invested in more Blu-ray capacity,” Bertelsmann spokeswoman Simone Biermann said, adding that the division will “quickly be able to expand capacity in accordance with the customers’ demand.”

Other replicators are taking more of a wait-and-see approach.

“HD DVD lines cannot be switched over to make Blu-ray discs,” Cinram International spokeswoman Lyne Fisher said, estimating that the company’s annual Blu-ray capacity is 28 million discs. “We are still in discussions with the studios and are looking at industry data points to obtain a clearer picture so that we’re able to better assess how we’re going to invest in the Blu-ray business going forward.”

Replicators will have to ramp up after a slow start for high-def discs. After two years on the market, as much as 6% of discs purchased in the U.S. are high-def. Standard-def DVD, introduced as a replacement to VHS, accounted for as much as 12% of the market after two years, said Dave Hoffmann, VP at Nielsen Home Entertainment, at last week’s conference.

That rate is likely to accelerate, said Eric Rodli, executive VP and general manager of entertainment at software-licensing firm Macrovision, at the conference. U.S. spending on high-def discs will triple to about $1 billion this year and surge to about $8 billion in 2011, while standard DVD spending will fall to $16 billion from $22 billion during the same time period, said Rodli, citing consultant Understanding & Solutions statistics.

http://www.videobusiness.com (http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6540696.html)

Thanks for the link Lee;)

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 09:39 AM
Anyone see any mention of the BD50 in that article?

You want BD25's? How many you want? . . . no problem.

HD Goofnut
04-04-2008, 10:05 AM
There were still reports in January and February that the BDA was still having BD50 shortages across the board. Are you trying to say that has changed in a matter of weeks? For some reason I highly doubt that.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 10:09 AM
Hey Hatt:

The title of the article is:

Expected Blu-ray surge to test disc supply

How about using unedited titles as opposed to putting you own bias:2cents in the title?

:mad: :mad: :mad:

cbcdesign
04-04-2008, 01:18 PM
Perhaps it is just me but I find the phrase "HD DVD lines cannot be switched over to make Blu-ray discs" bloody idiotic. DVD lines cannot make Blu-Ray disks either. So what!

They make it sound like companies with HD DVD replicators are lumbered with equipment which is useless to them when in reality a 5 minute mod allows HD DVD replicators to press DVDs so they are far from redundant.

hatt
04-04-2008, 02:36 PM
Hey Hatt:

The title of the article is:

Expected Blu-ray surge to test disc supply

How about using unedited titles as opposed to putting you own bias:2cents in the title?

:mad: :mad: :mad:

You pissed because I turned you're article around on ya? My title is consistent with the article. If you can find where it is not point it out. Also point to the HDF rules that say you can't use your own title when posting an article, blog, or whatever.

hatt
04-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Anyone see any mention of the BD50 in that article?

You want BD25's? How many you want? . . . no problem.

Anyone see where they mentioned that there was a shortage of BD50s? You like to make up stuff Lee.:error

Anyway you mucked up this attempt trying to find an article showing the shortage of BD.:lol:

kamspy
04-04-2008, 02:41 PM
I'm sure they just found a way to increase production with the increased demand. Disc sales are at an all time high.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 02:44 PM
You pissed because I turned you're article around on ya?

Of course not. I knew it was not posted. I didn't "hide it" on purpose. I t fit the discussion and I knew it existed.No agenda here Hatt . . . whether you want to believe that or not is up to you.


My title is consistent with the article. If you can find where it is not point it out. Also point to the HDF rules that say you can't use your own title when posting an article, blog, or whatever.

You are trying to be a BR cheerleader and that is NOT what HDF needs. HDF needs FACTS . . . cold hard facts . . . when it comes to threading an article.

So please stop it. It removes any member's bais, no matter which format he supports . . . and there are 3 you know.

The truth is nether good nor bad . . .it is the truth.

Please.

unotis
04-04-2008, 02:47 PM
Perhaps it is just me but I find the phrase "HD DVD lines cannot be switched over to make Blu-ray discs" bloody idiotic. DVD lines cannot make Blu-Ray disks either. So what!

They make it sound like companies with HD DVD replicators are lumbered with equipment which is useless to them when in reality a 5 minute mod allows HD DVD replicators to press DVDs so they are far from redundant.

I really hope that the BDA resolves any and all problems with production and specs really soon.

But, I am getting tired of the small group of Blu-Ray supporters that try in anyway they can to portray Blu-ray as being just fine with no drawbacks period, they seem to be in a total state of denial or maybe they just want to change the perception of there being any need for improvement by constantly posting misleading or cutting the articles up to leave out any information or words that won't support their opinion, Thread topic perfect example of this.

Then when anyone points out that they've not been totally honest or correct then they cry how we persecute Blu-Ray supporters and love to bash Sony and the BDA, they do this to try to change the subject because they know they're wrong and got caught in the attempt.

hatt
04-04-2008, 02:48 PM
I'm sure they just found a way to increase production with the increased demand. Disc sales are at an all time high.

I called BS from the beginning. A disc shortage story is just a slick way to cover for the beloved HD DVD holdout studios. Both are probably still receiving their Toshiba contract checks. Both will miraculously come up with discs from some source in the not too distant future.

MikeRox
04-04-2008, 02:50 PM
I called BS from the beginning. A disc shortage story is just a slick way to cover for the beloved HD DVD holdout studios. Both are probably still receiving their Toshiba contract checks. Both will miraculously come up with discs from some source in the not too distant future.

It was the mysterious delays in certain BD titles from non Sony studios that first raised eyebrows about disc production, even then wasn't it insiders that stated BD-50s are sold out until Q3?

I doubt they're holding off releases because of cheques from Toshiba, more likely there's just no great rush to get into Blu-ray because neither format was turning much profit therefore they aren't losing out. The BDA also aren't in a rush to get them on board, their priorities were to get more indie studios such as Vanguard onboard rather than the big studios, because the indies are the ones that could completely skip Blu-ray, whereas the big hollywood studios will go to Blu-ray at somepoint regardless of any incentives.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 02:52 PM
Anyone see where they mentioned that there was a shortage of BD50s? You like to make up stuff Lee.:error

Anyway you mucked up this attempt trying to find an article showing the shortage of BD.:lol:

Your are totally hopeless. Just a blind BR Zealot.

YOU believe SONY?:eek: :eek: :eek:

The same Sony who said they were getting 80% yield on their BD50 replicators?

Well then who in the hell would EVER buy a Singulus replicator because all they promise is 65%!

EVERYONE should be buying Sony replicators and Singulus should go bankrupt!

Cineram just bought a bunch of Singulus BR replicators.

Open your eyes for a change.

Stop being a putz all the time.:mad:

unotis
04-04-2008, 02:53 PM
It was the mysterious delays in certain BD titles from non Sony studios that first raised eyebrows about disc production, even then wasn't it insiders that stated BD-50s are sold out until Q3?

That is what I've read and it came from a Blu-Ray web forum, unless they were lying about it and it is some sort of giant conspiracy to hurt Blu-Ray's image of perfection. :rolleyes:

MikeRox
04-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Lee, Sony's replicators are working full pelt on PS3 software and their own movies (and likely also tied up in incentives of access by the major studios), that would explain why it'd be possible for people to consider other companies with much lower yeilds while not making Sony's 80% claim any less true.

hatt
04-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Of course not. I knew it was not posted. I didn't "hide it" on purpose. I t fit the discussion and I knew it existed.No agenda here Hatt . . . whether you want to believe that or not is up to you.




You are trying to be a BR cheerleader and that is NOT what HDF needs. HDF needs FACTS . . . cold hard facts . . . when it comes to threading an article.

So please stop it. It removes any member's bais, no matter which format he supports . . . and there are 3 you know.

The truth is nether good nor bad . . .it is the truth.

Please.

Fact, at least from the article that you posted. “At this point, there are no shortages, and the market is adding capacity as fast as possible to ensure adequate capacity for all.”

My thread title. No Shortage of BD disc supply!

What a spin job I did.:lol:

We could go on forever in this thread, you are OWNED. Just more on:lol:

mshulman
04-04-2008, 02:53 PM
Anyone see where they mentioned that there was a shortage of BD50s? You like to make up stuff Lee.:error

Anyway you mucked up this attempt trying to find an article showing the shortage of BD.:lol:

They say nothing about a shortage, but they also don't say supplies are available either. If anything, they are closer to indicating supplies are limited.

Supplying the discs necessary for such a surge may be another story.

And as far as your thread title - its very misleading as to what the article actually discusses.

MikeRox
04-04-2008, 02:54 PM
More spin than a windmill :rolleyes:

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 02:55 PM
I called BS from the beginning. A disc shortage story is just a slick way to cover for the beloved HD DVD holdout studios. Both are probably still receiving their Toshiba contract checks. Both will miraculously come up with discs from some source in the not too distant future.

A conspiracy theory?

How did you vote in my poll with my conspiracy theory?

Yes or no.

I will bet the farm you voted no.

But now you have spun up one of your own?:rolleyes:

kamspy
04-04-2008, 02:55 PM
It was the mysterious delays in certain BD titles from non Sony studios that first raised eyebrows about disc production, even then wasn't it insiders that stated BD-50s are sold out until Q3?

I doubt they're holding off releases because of cheques from Toshiba, more likely there's just no great rush to get into Blu-ray because neither format was turning much profit therefore they aren't losing out. The BDA also aren't in a rush to get them on board, their priorities were to get more indie studios such as Vanguard onboard rather than the big studios, because the indies are the ones that could completely skip Blu-ray, whereas the big hollywood studios will go to Blu-ray at somepoint regardless of any incentives.

Only low level insiders.

mshulman
04-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Fact, at least from the article that you posted.

My thread title.

What a spin job I did.:lol:

We could go on forever in this thread, you are OWNED. Just more on:lol:

So you based this thread title on a quote from another thread and then posted an article that doesn't back up the title?

hatt
04-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Your are totally hopeless. Just a blind BR Zealot.

YOU believe SONY?:eek: :eek: :eek:

The same Sony who said they were getting 80% yield on their BD50 replicators?

Well then who in the hell would EVER buy a Singulus replicator because all they promise is 65%!

EVERYONE should be buying Sony replicators and Singulus should go bankrupt!

Cineram just bought a bunch of Singulus BR replicators.

Open your eyes for a change.

Stop being a putz all the time.:mad:

If the article was full of lies and BS, why did YOU post it?:lol:

mshulman
04-04-2008, 02:58 PM
I'm sure they just found a way to increase production with the increased demand. Disc sales are at an all time high.

Disc sales are going to continue being at an all time high. That's what happens when a product is in its growing stage :)

They most certainly will increase production - its just the nature of things and a requirement. How quickly they can increase it is the question. I tend to doubt they've increased it to where it needs to be in just a couple of months.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Fact, at least from the article that you posted.

My thread title.

What a spin job I did.:lol:

We could go on forever in this thread, you are OWNED. Just more on:lol:

Owned?

Consider the source of your info!:banghead: . . . Sony!

We have heard this from numerous replicators - there is a thread that even discusses it - Sean from PacificDisc verified a disc shortage on BD50's.

This is marketing garbage and you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker!

You are a tool!

mshulman
04-04-2008, 03:01 PM
Owned?

Consider the source of your info!:banghead: . . . Sony!

We have heard this from numerous replicators - there is a thread that even discusses it - Sean from PacificDisc verified a disc shortage on BD50's.

This is marketing garbage and you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker!

You are a tool!

Your best bet is to let this go. Someone that uses the term "OWNED" in a discussion in a thread clearly doesn't care so much about the topic, but just proving someone (you in the case) wrong.

Unfortunately for him, he failed in this particular thread as the article posted doesn't back up his title.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Your best bet is to let this go. Someone that uses the term "OWNED" in a discussion in a thread clearly doesn't care so much about the topic, but just proving someone (you in the case) wrong.

Unfortunately for him, he failed in this particular thread as the article posted doesn't back up his title.

Yes - you are right. :bowdown:

hatt
04-04-2008, 03:04 PM
Funniest thread of the year, or at least close.:lol:

Keep the articles coming Lee:yippee:

MikeRox
04-04-2008, 03:04 PM
It does clearly state there is "currently" no shortage of BD discs.

HOWEVER the article appears to be referring to for consumers to buy releases in stores rather than there is no shortage for Studios to put out more titles in a shorter timeframe. Two very different things.

The article is merely stating that production capacity could be too low to produce enough units of CURRENT releases if sales spike, not that studios might want more discs for more different releases.

mshulman
04-04-2008, 03:14 PM
It does clearly state there is "currently" no shortage of BD discs.

HOWEVER the article appears to be referring to for consumers to buy releases in stores rather than there is no shortage for Studios to put out more titles in a shorter timeframe. Two very different things.

The article is merely stating that production capacity could be too low to produce enough units of CURRENT releases if sales spike, not that studios might want more discs for more different releases.

Actually, it says a few things..

Supplying the discs necessary for such a surge may be another story.

This questions whether there will be enough discs since the surge which was caused by Toshiba giving up on HD DVD and Paramount and Universal moving to it.

Executives from Sony’s DADC division, which expects to triple its North American Blu-ray disc production to 160 million discs this year, and Bertelsmann’s Arvato unit said they won’t have trouble meeting the increased demand, though Sony allowed that there could be temporary shortages if demand spikes.

hmm.. aren't things starting to spike now?

The article is really pretty vague and doesn't go into many details. If Sony is only talking in terms of their current studios then maybe its all 100% accurate. But what if they aren't talking in terms of Universal and Paramount yet because they haven't started to ramp up their production?

Let's not forget - These comments are all part of PR and they are going to put things in the best light possible. So they say there's no shortage, but cover their ass and say its possible..

hatt
04-04-2008, 03:24 PM
So you based this thread title on a quote from another thread and then posted an article that doesn't back up the title?

There were several points in the article. One was that there is no shortage of discs at this time. Do you disagree with this and the article, in fact, did say there actually was a shortage? I guess I could have used "If BD sales spike, there could be a shortage of discs” but I knew that it is common knowledge that BD will never spike. I was just trying to incorporate a title that HDF would find as having some sort of meaning.

Hitachi65SWX20B
04-04-2008, 03:26 PM
Your best bet is to let this go. Someone that uses the term "OWNED" in a discussion in a thread clearly doesn't care so much about the topic, but just proving someone (you in the case) wrong.

Unfortunately for him, he failed in this particular thread as the article posted doesn't back up his title.

+1.

BobY
04-04-2008, 09:23 PM
Perhaps it is just me but I find the phrase "HD DVD lines cannot be switched over to make Blu-ray discs" bloody idiotic. DVD lines cannot make Blu-Ray disks either. So what!

They make it sound like companies with HD DVD replicators are lumbered with equipment which is useless to them when in reality a 5 minute mod allows HD DVD replicators to press DVDs so they are far from redundant.

Yeh, it's spin. The same spokesmen for Cinram were recently saying it was no big deal that they invested in HD DVD because it was a relatively inexpensive mod to their existing DVD lines which they will still use to produce DVD and the HD DVD test&verification equipment can be re-purposed for BD.

No matter how they spin it, replicators still need to spend Millions of dollars to add BD-only production lines.

Lee Stewart
04-04-2008, 09:52 PM
Yeh, it's spin. The same spokesmen for Cinram were recently saying it was no big deal that they invested in HD DVD because it was a relatively inexpensive mod to their existing DVD lines which they will still use to produce DVD and the HD DVD test&verification equipment can be re-purposed for BD.

No matter how they spin it, replicators still need to spend Millions of dollars to add BD-only production lines.


The recent numbers I saw were:

DVD to HD DVD upgrade - $40,000

BD replicator - $1.7 million.

Dr. Jones
04-05-2008, 12:49 AM
You pissed because I turned you're article around on ya? My title is consistent with the article. If you can find where it is not point it out. Also point to the HDF rules that say you can't use your own title when posting an article, blog, or whatever.

Actually, that article is not consistent with your title. Even Sony execs admitted that there might be shortages.

Dr. Jones
04-05-2008, 12:53 AM
Only low level insiders.

A guy working in one of the replication plants would know this information. Low level, High level, it really doesn't matter.

hatt
04-05-2008, 12:54 AM
Actually, that article is not consistent with your title. Even Sony execs admitted that there might be shortages.

:lol: There might be shortages means that currently there is not a shortage.

hatt
04-05-2008, 12:56 AM
The recent numbers I saw were:

DVD to HD DVD upgrade - $40,000

BD replicator - $1.7 million.
Yeh, it's spin. The same spokesmen for Cinram were recently saying it was no big deal that they invested in HD DVD because it was a relatively inexpensive mod to their existing DVD lines which they will still use to produce DVD and the HD DVD test&verification equipment can be re-purposed for BD.

No matter how they spin it, replicators still need to spend Millions of dollars to add BD-only production lines.

What do either of these posts have to do with there being a disc shortage?:helpme

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 01:06 AM
What do either of these posts have to do with there being a disc shortage?:helpme

I'm no rocket scientist.. so I can't be too sure.. but.. maybe because it's a very realistic explanation for the shortage?

More lines.. more discs made.. no shortage.

Derr..:dunce:

hatt
04-05-2008, 01:10 AM
I'm no rocket scientist.. so I can't be too sure.. but.. maybe because it's a very realistic explanation for the shortage?

More lines.. more discs made.. no shortage.

Derr..:dunce: So because a BD replicator line costs so and so means there is a shortage of discs:eyecrazy

More fun times:lol:

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 01:14 AM
So because a BD replicator line costs so and so means there is a shortage of discs:eyecrazy

More fun times:lol:

Ehem, how many active BD rep lines are there? How many DVD lines are there?

Are DVD's in short supply? Are BD rep lines popping up by the dozen? No foo, where did you leave your common sense at? Do you need a ride? I got a Huffy in my garage I can lend you..

hatt
04-05-2008, 01:18 AM
I feel like I'm in one of those Netflix commercials where they ask the silly questions and the people get the right answers.:lol:

"If the BDA says there is no shortage of discs and no one has any evidence of a shortage of discs, what does that mean?" Answer: "Sony is trying to enslave us!" Coooorrect.:banana:

hatt
04-05-2008, 01:20 AM
Ehem, how many active BD rep lines are there? How many DVD lines are there?

Are DVD's in short supply? Are BD rep lines popping up by the dozen? No foo, where did you leave your common sense at? Do you need a ride? I got a Huffy in my garage I can lend you..


It doesn't matter if there is only one BD rep line, what matters is the shortage. Show me some evidence of a disc shortage. Hint...Don't give me a link to an article stating there is no shortage but there could be if sales spike.

kamspy
04-05-2008, 01:50 AM
The BD lines will fall into place with the increasing disc demand. More and more PS3 games are selling, and BD movies are selling better and better. I don't think replicators are going to stand aside and not install these BD replication lines while there is a demand for them. Almost every popular BD disc sells out. Replicators are going to see this and want a piece of that action.

What replication plant doesn't want the contract to press the new Grand Theft Auto game for PS3? Millions of copies will be sold in weeks. Same for other PS3 titles. BD movies will be selling in high figures as well. I look for I Am Legend to be the first platinum selling BD title. More to follow.

Look at the profits Lonsgate has posted from BD. That's incredible. That is the reason why studio and CEMs went with HDM, along with making piracy harder, but HD DVD missed the bus on that point, and I think it may have been the reason for demise. You think studios were cool with zero region coding and DVD era DRM? That's why BD had more support all along. I'm positive Universal got a boatload of incentives to be HD DVDs promo lead, even with that in place they never broke out the big guns, for the most part they doled out their junk drawer and most of the transfers were mediocre. I know, because have a bunch. When you look at all the studios transfer record's, it's hard not to say that Universal had the worst consistency. Sure King Kong was as reference as it gets, but wasn't it reported that MS had a major hand in that transfer? Eastern Promises looks great, but that's more a testament to the cinematography and clean master than the transfer. Look at how they fumbled American Gangster. They had to have did the encode when they still had faith in the format. The four stars that HDD gave the video was more than generous. I think they added a star to avoid a forum outrage from fans of HD DVD and the movie.

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 01:59 AM
It doesn't matter if there is only one BD rep line, what matters is the shortage. Show me some evidence of a disc shortage. Hint...Don't give me a link to an article stating there is no shortage but there could be if sales spike.

I never once said that there was a shortage, per say. I simply answered your original question.

Derr..

PFC5
04-05-2008, 02:21 AM
I never once said that there was a shortage, per say. I simply answered your original question.

Derr..

I am saying that there IS a shortage. People who have the connections are saying there is a shortage and I believe them. Why on earth would Sony EVER come out and say "We were not prepared to win and have HD DVD fold so quickly so we were caught with our pants down with sufficient replication lines to handle ALL major studios releasing movies on BD50 discs".

Sony would never say that and they will lie. We all know they have been lying about yields by mixing BD25 & BD50 lines together for the "average yield" despite being asked directly about the BD50 yields.

I guess I don't blame them for lying as what else could they do, but to have otherwise intelligent people ehre act like they are not and studios are just taking a break as the reason there are less releases than last year after 3 months into the year. :hithere:

hatt
04-05-2008, 02:28 AM
I am saying that there IS a shortage. People who have the connections are saying there is a shortage and I believe them. Why on earth would Sony EVER come out and say "We were not prepared to win and have HD DVD fold so quickly so we were caught with our pants down with sufficient replication lines to handle ALL major studios releasing movies on BD50 discs".

Sony would never say that and they will lie. We all know they have been lying about yields by mixing BD25 & BD50 lines together for the "average yield" despite being asked directly about the BD50 yields.

I guess I don't blame them for lying as what else could they do, but to have otherwise intelligent people ehre act like they are not and studios are just taking a break as the reason there are less releases than last year after 3 months into the year. :hithere:

Lets say everything you say here is true. Sony has said they are spending like $100 million on increasing disc production. Do you believe them and how long do you think it will take to see an impact, if any is to be seen?

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 02:41 AM
Lets say everything you say here is true. Sony has said they are spending like $100 million on increasing disc production. Do you believe them and how long do you think it will take to see an impact, if any is to be seen?

When Para/Dream/Uni hop on board and release titles and when the majority of BD releases are on BD50's.

Kinda odd that the BDA talked-up the storage capacity of BD but yet continue to use BD25's in droves which don't even hold up to the "inadequate" HD30's.

Propaganda that many swallowed.

kamspy
04-05-2008, 02:43 AM
When Para/Dream/Uni hop on board and release titles and when the majority of BD releases are on BD50's.

Kinda odd that the BDA talked-up the storage capacity of BD but yet continue to use BD25's in droves which don't even hold up to HD30's.

Propaganda that many swallowed.

Explain please. You do know that most HD DVDs didn't exceed the 25GB mark right?

Why not talk up the storage capacity? They have the flexibility to release some on BD25 and some on BD50. I'm sure no one wanted a HD DVD15.

hatt
04-05-2008, 02:49 AM
When Para/Dream/Uni hop on board and release titles and when the majority of BD releases are on BD50's.

Kinda odd that the BDA talked-up the storage capacity of BD but yet continue to use BD25's in droves which don't even hold up to the "inadequate" HD30's.

Propaganda that many swallowed.

This BD25 and BD50 debate is silly. Some titles will fit neatly on a 25, as evident be almost everything being put on the HD30. Some titles may require more. What is the big problem here? HD DVD even acknowledged the problem with their 51GB project.

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 02:51 AM
Explain please. You do know that most HD DVDs didn't exceed the 25GB mark right?

Why not talk up the storage capacity? They have the flexibility to release some on BD25 and some on BD50. I'm sure no one wanted a HD DVD15.

What is there for me to explain, YOU BD fans are the ones who constantly called HD-DVD's storage inferior and inadequate but yet the BDA is persistent on giving YOU the majority of their latest titles on a lesser spec.. an inadequate one.

hatt
04-05-2008, 02:57 AM
What is there for me to explain, YOU BD fans are the ones who constantly called HD-DVD's storage inferior and inadequate but yet the BDA is persistent on giving YOU the majority of their latest titles on a lesser spec.. an inadequate one.

And these people:
A 51 GB triple-layer spec was approved at the DVD Forums 40th Steering Committee Meeting From wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_dvd)

kamspy
04-05-2008, 02:59 AM
What is there for me to explain, YOU BD fans are the ones who constantly called HD-DVD's storage inferior and inadequate but yet the BDA is persistent on giving YOU the majority of their latest titles on a lesser spec.. an inadequate one.

Don't be so quick to lump my in there kiddo. I still have more HD DVDs on my rack then BDs and I'm on record here about 100 times saying that I have no problem with using BD25 for shorter movies.

Liquidx
04-05-2008, 03:05 AM
Don't be so quick to lump my in there kiddo. I still have more HD DVDs on my rack then BDs and I'm on record here about 100 times saying that I have no problem with using BD25 for shorter movies.

You were probably still shitting Huggies when I was born. ;)

kamspy
04-05-2008, 03:22 AM
You were probably still shitting Huggies when I was born. ;)

Depends, when were you born?

crazyal
04-05-2008, 07:58 AM
It doesn't matter if there is only one BD rep line, what matters is the shortage. Show me some evidence of a disc shortage. Hint...Don't give me a link to an article stating there is no shortage but there could be if sales spike.

Neo take the red pill! Do you even read what you type? You just said it doesn't matter if the choke point is the BD rep lines because we have tons of blank discs. I'm sorry if I don't buy into the Sony PR spin. yes I believe the Lee's post from someone who works at a BD stamping plant who said we have a shortage over Sony.

So if Sony is correct and there are boatloads of blank BD discs juts waiting for their turn to become movies then why are we not seeing more movies being released? A shortage of discs gave me the feeling that it was just a simple ramping up of mfg. Replicator lines numbers being low is more of a concern since the costs and work required is costly and can be prohibitive.

You making it sould like it's the studio's fault for just not wanting to release movies on BD is the worst answer as to why we are not seeing a healthy increase in titles being released.

MikeRox
04-05-2008, 08:34 AM
Don't be so quick to lump my in there kiddo. I still have more HD DVDs on my rack then BDs and I'm on record here about 100 times saying that I have no problem with using BD25 for shorter movies.

Don't we all (more HD DVDs :p)

As for BD25. I never saw a problem with it personally and it's not even "shorter" movies as such that need it. You could easily fit a top notch PQ/AQ film up to 2 and a half hours onto a BD25. That pretty much caters for 90% of films. Just nice to have that BD50 for special editions with lots of special features, and for the other 10% of films that might start to reach the ceiling for space ona BD25.

BobY
04-05-2008, 07:48 PM
I believe there is a shortage of capacity, not supply.

It's semantics. You'll never know how many discs were delayed or whose release has been postponed due to lack of capacity. All you'll ever know is how many were actually ordered and manufactured--hence no "shortage" of supply, as every disc that was ordered gets made, regardless of how long it takes.

It makes perfect sense there should be BD50 capacity issues at this point. Only SONY DADC and two lines at Cinram were capable of making BD50.

SONY paid for the Cinram lines and no other replicator was going to invest the Millions of dollars necessary for BD production lines until BD had won over HD DVD. Many now will still not spend the money until they are sure BD is going to warrant the investment--it's just too much money to risk at this early stage.

There is also the question of how many BD lines Singulus can provide and install. They purchased the BD replication equipment division of OERLIKON, one of the few other companies making BD production equipment, back in February (OERLIKON felt the BD business was too erratic and had limited opportunities for success).

Long term, that should improve Singulus' ability to provide BD replication lines, but short term, it's got to consume resources integrating the two.

mshulman
04-06-2008, 08:58 AM
:lol: There might be shortages means that currently there is not a shortage.

Except we still don't know what context they are saying that. Are they saying in regards to Fox, Disney, WB and Themselves, there is no shortage?

Are they saying as soon as Universal and Paramount start producing there will be no shortage?

Let's not forget who's making the comment and how they want things to appear. They may very well have been talking about the single instance of time when they were asked this, knowing full well that as soon as Universal and Paramount need supplies that a shortage will begin.

Or perhaps, there is no shortage simply because Universal and Paramount are waiting to produce when there is a greater supply.. So there is no shortage for the current suppliers, yet there would be if Universal and Paramount were producing tomorrow. BUT, because they know there aren't enough discs, they are holding off - thus preventing a shortage..

Spin is an interesting thing, isn't it? My simple point is that we can't believe what they say 100% as they are always going to try to put a positive spin on it.

mshulman
04-06-2008, 08:59 AM
Lets say everything you say here is true. Sony has said they are spending like $100 million on increasing disc production. Do you believe them and how long do you think it will take to see an impact, if any is to be seen?

I see no reason we can't believe them.

No matter how much they spend, it takes some time to get production lines setup and product produced. Many months would be my guess before any spending has any kind of impact.

hatt
04-06-2008, 09:11 AM
I see no reason we can't believe them.

No matter how much they spend, it takes some time to get production lines setup and product produced. Many months would be my guess before any spending has any kind of impact.

If money is being invested in new capacity to insure a steady, adequate stream of product, that is all I can ask of a company.