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Hd receiver without HD subscription

soupnazi
04-03-2008, 03:04 AM
Hi everybody
I just got a used Motorola DCT6200 HD Receiver for Shaw Cable
I only have basic cable at the moment but I plan on getting HD cable sometime in the future. I've never had HD cable service before so I'm not sure how the whole thing works.
I hooked up the terminal to my TV to see what would happen and I was pleasently surprised to see I received the program guide. I went through the channels and found that I had many of the channels not included with basic cable. I also found some of the HD channels.
So, it seemed like I had basic HD cable service.
When I turned on the TV the next day I had no channels at all, but the program guide was still on and displaying information about the programs. I re-connected the cable straight to my TV and I still get my basic cable channels.

Is this just because there is a delay determining that I don't have HD subscription with the cable company?

Can I receive OTA HD with this HD terminal?

goober22
04-03-2008, 09:43 AM
Where did you "get" the used STB? If from Shaw, then it's just because they finally closed out your "ticket" and it sent a signal to the box that authorized it only for the channels you pay for.

If you got it elsewhere (ebay), then that will not work as those units are not sold to end users and therefore will not be activated. Once detected, it will be shut off.

soupnazi
04-03-2008, 10:41 AM
My brother switched to Telus so he gave me his shaw HD receiver.
So it was already activated when I hooked it up but when Shaw sees that I don't have Hd cable subscription they shut it off.
It seems the receiver doesn't work with basic cable because I can't get any channels from my basic cable subscription using the receiver.

Any idea if I can use this as a HD tuner to receive OTA HD?

deadhead68
04-03-2008, 11:40 AM
Any idea if I can use this as a HD tuner to receive OTA HD?

Nope.

DeadHead68

HiDefRev
04-03-2008, 12:05 PM
You will have to return that box to Shaw. It will be of absolutely no use to you. It has been deactivated ( no cable box yet has the ability to receive HD OTA, by the way ). STBs are rented, not bought. It belongs to Shaw. Additionally, Shaw will bill your brother for the box - somewhere between $200 -$600. Should you desire HDTV, then you will have to subscribe and pay for it. Shaw will in turn give you a different STB to use, because they have to "clear" the memory from your brother's box, which could take anywhere from 1 to several days, depending on the backlog. Take the box back to your brother, or to Shaw ASAP to clear it from his cable bill, and decide whether or not you want HDTV service. And, you didn't mention this, but do you even have a HDTV ? You will need that in order to have HD in your home.

soupnazi
04-03-2008, 12:11 PM
He bought the box from A&B Sound. It still has the price tag on it.

deadhead68
04-03-2008, 12:13 PM
I You will have to return that box to Shaw. It will be of absolutely no use to you. It has been deactivated ( no cable box yet has the ability to receive HD OTA, by the way ). STBs are rented, not bought. It belongs to Shaw. Additionally, Shaw will bill your brother for the box - somewhere between $200 -$600. Should you desire HDTV, then you will have to subscribe and pay for it. Shaw will in turn give you a different STB to use, because they have to "clear" the memory from your brother's box, which could take anywhere from 1 to several days, depending on the backlog. Take the box back to your brother, or to Shaw ASAP to clear it from his cable bill, and decide whether or not you want HDTV service. And, you didn't mention this, but do you even have a HDTV ? You will need that in order to have HD in your home.

I believe Shaw Cable is in Canada and they do allow you to purchase a STB outright.

DeadHead68

soupnazi
04-03-2008, 12:16 PM
I can still use it if I decide I want HDTV from Shaw.
Is there anything else it can be used for?

deadhead68
04-03-2008, 03:03 PM
I can still use it if I decide I want HDTV from Shaw.
Is there anything else it can be used for?

Nope.

DeadHead68

goober22
04-03-2008, 03:46 PM
My brother switched to Telus so he gave me his shaw HD receiver.
So it was already activated when I hooked it up but when Shaw sees that I don't have Hd cable subscription they shut it off.
It seems the receiver doesn't work with basic cable because I can't get any channels from my basic cable subscription using the receiver.

Any idea if I can use this as a HD tuner to receive OTA HD?

When he shut off his Shaw account, they deactivated any STBs related to it.

No to OTA as they are different technologies (Cable=QAM, OTA=ATSC). No ATSC support in them.

I

I believe Shaw Cable is in Canada and they do allow you to purchase a STB outright.

DeadHead68

This is true. In Canada, they do sell some units there. If true, then you will need to call Shaw and ask them to activate it on your account. You may have to provide proof of purchase. You will have to pay for the added service - you just won't pay a box rental.

soupnazi
04-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Thanks for the info everyone
I am Canadian and I've seen Motorola DCT 6*** HD receivers in a few of the major electronic stores here.
I'm not sure what shaw charges for rentals.

What can I use as a tuner to get OTA HD for my HDTV.
As I said, I am Canadian and the Stanley Cup NHL playoffs are starting soon. I want to do my patriotic duty and watch hockey in high def. I just don't want to pay extra for it.
I'm going to get HDTV a subscription sometime just not right now.
I think that CBC HD is available for OTA. I'm just trying to figure the most economical way of getting it.

Sooner Al
04-05-2008, 05:33 AM
I'm going to get HDTV a subscription sometime just not right now.
I think that CBC HD is available for OTA. I'm just trying to figure the most economical way of getting it.

As noted by others you can get OTA HD broadcasts if available from your local stations by using an antenna (outdoors, attic or set top rabbit ear type). Of course this presumes your HDTV has an ATSC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_tuner) tuner built-in.

So what is the make and model of your HDTV? Have you looked at the owners manual for the TV?

FWIW, after a quick search (using the search string external ATSC) this page popped up as an example of external ATSC tuners available if your TV does not have one built-in. Whether or not they are available in Canada is another issue.

http://tv.about.com/od/accesspries/tp/topATSCreceiver.htm

soupnazi
04-05-2008, 10:41 AM
Thanks Sooner Al
I finally found the piece of the puzzle I was missing
I was googling hdtv tuners to try and find what I was looking for but I didn't know it had to be ATSC for OTA
I have a Samsung 42" dlp, NO tuner

Now my next question is
What can I use as a STAND ALONE ATSC HDTV TUNER?

I don't want to buy a dvd player with a tuner or a DVR with a tuner and I'm finding it hard to find a ATSC tuner on it's own


I'm probably going to end up buying a new TV for the amount of trouble it is to get a tuner

BrianO
04-05-2008, 04:12 PM
Thanks Sooner Al
I finally found the piece of the puzzle I was missing
I was googling hdtv tuners to try and find what I was looking for but I didn't know it had to be ATSC for OTA
I have a Samsung 42" dlp, NO tuner

Now my next question is
What can I use as a STAND ALONE ATSC HDTV TUNER?

I don't want to buy a dvd player with a tuner or a DVR with a tuner and I'm finding it hard to find a ATSC tuner on it's own


I'm probably going to end up buying a new TV for the amount of trouble it is to get a tuner


First of all, CBC only broadcasts HD in Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver*. So you must live in one of those markets if you want to watch "Hockey Night in Canada" in HD using an antenna. If you live in Montreal, be aware that CBC HD is not available anywhere on Montreal's West Island because Mount Royal blocks the signals from the tower used by CBC for HD broadcasts.

Second. If your TV does not have a built-in ATSC tuner, you must buy a set top box. These boxes are almost impossible to find anywhere in Canada, so you'll need to buy one from the USA from a retailer that will deliver to Canada. But it's a lot easier than you might think.

The Samsung DTB-H260F is widely available in the USA for $179 US or less. Ordering this box from J&R Music World in New York (www. JR.com) is probably the easiest way to get one for a person living in Canada. They will charge $179 US or less for the box, charge about $29 US for shipping (which includes Canadian Customs brokerage fees) and ship it by UPS Canada Express. You will have to pay the GST and PST (as determined by Canadian Customs at the time they clear the shipment) at the door when it is delivered, but you will get it very quickly. For example, if J&R has it in stock when you order they will usually ship it by the end of the next business day and it will be delivered to your front door the following day. (order on Monday, receive it on Wednesday). If they don't have it in stock you can still order it and they will ship whenthey receive new stock. In either case they will not charge your credit card until after they actually ship your order. I have ordered from J&R a few times (including getting a Samsung DTB-H260F) and have received my order in as little as 34 hours (I ordered at 2 am Wednesday and received it at noon on Thursday).

Note that if you buy from a US retailer that does not include the Customs Brokerage work in the shipping costs, then the shipping company (e.g. UPS) will do the customs paperwork and charge their own brokerage fee which will likely be higher thatn J&R's fee. (UPS charged me $60 on a shipment a few years ago).

As far as the GST and PST collection at the door is concerned, you cannot avoid the charges. NO US retailer can include them in their charges because they are not authorised to collect them. Canadian Customes will calculate them at they time they clear the shipment. The charge will be on the value of the shipment only. There will be no tax on the shipping charges because it is an international shipment.

So there you have it. Get the Samsung box and enjoy OTA HD broadcasts without having to buy a new TV. When you see the results you won't be disappointed.




* CBC upgraded the stations that they own but then told their affiliates that they would have to bear the costs on their own. I don't know of any affiliate that has yet done their own upgrade.

soupnazi
04-05-2008, 11:06 PM
That's great! thanks for the info
I checked on ebay for the Samsung DTB-H260F , there were a few that didn't seem very legit, "no return policy" and "item not tested" "as is" I hate when people try to sell junk on ebay.
But, I did find some that looked promicing. I'm in Vancouver and I found some within Canada so I wouldn't have to worry about extra duty charges either.
If anyone wants some advice for buying electronics on ebay, I always email a few basic questions like how old?, working? return policy? and if i don't like the answers I won't buy it.

I've been thinking though, about a new TV :)
I think it may be time to sell mine. I have a 42" samsung DLP, no tuner
DLP technology is on it's way out. I think LCD is gong to be the main technology for a while.
So, if I sell now I can still get a decent price for it and put it towards a new LCD, which might still go a little lower in price but I doubt they will go substantially lower.

I just talked myself into getting a new TV :yippee: :banghead: