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Major trouble with satellite

doctom
03-14-2008, 11:08 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the satellite has developed problems with attaining orbit. The launch went ok but evidently something went wrong with the second burn. Go to the "satelliteguys.dish-network-forum" where it is discussed. Scroll down about halfway on page 3 to see the actual news report from Kazakhstan.

This is really bad news. :(

doctom
03-14-2008, 11:59 PM
Here is the actual news report.

ILS DECLARES PROTON LAUNCH ANOMALY


BAIKONUR COSMODROME, Kazakhstan, March 14, 2008 – Khrunichev and International Launch Services regret to announce an anomaly during today's Proton mission with the AMC-14 satellite.
The Proton Breeze M rocket lifted off at 5:18 a.m. today local time from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, carrying the AMC-14 satellite for SES AMERICOM and its customer, EchoStar Corporation. Preliminary flight information indicates that the anomaly occurred during the second burn of the Breeze M upper stage. The satellite failed to reach the planned orbit. The satellite was built by Lockheed Martin.
A Russian State Commission has begun the process of determining the reasons for the anomaly. ILS will release details when data become available. In parallel with the State Commission, ILS will form its own Failure Review Oversight Board. The FROB will review the commission’s final report and corrective action plan, in accord with U.S. and Russian government export control regulations.
ILS remains committed to providing reliable, timely launch services for all its customers. To this end, ILS will work diligently with its partner Khrunichev to return Proton to flight as soon as possible.

Smthkd
03-15-2008, 12:46 AM
Wow! That puts a dent in there expected HD channels from the Charlie Chat!!!! Guess its time for them to switch to Directv! :D

JeffJ72
03-15-2008, 06:54 AM
you gotta be kidding me:mad:

Cygnis1
03-15-2008, 07:28 AM
This isn't the news I have been waiting for. Not only do we have to wait for a government investigation, it is a Russian investigation. We will all be on fiberoptics by the time we get any resolution.

tcarcio
03-15-2008, 08:02 AM
Not that big of a deal, at least not to me. They will fix the problem in time it will just take a little longer. Patience my friends. I still would take what I have over Direct tv any day.:D

Hokoo
03-15-2008, 08:35 AM
hehe just when you think Dish is gonna pull the knife, oops they stick it in a little deeper...

GULP

can they fix the bird that failed to reach orbit or do they have to send another one up?

bradp56
03-15-2008, 08:51 AM
It still doenst explain what they need to do, it may not be as bad as it seems atleast I hope.

Culpy67
03-15-2008, 09:05 AM
Well I am like everybody else and want more channels but i do love what I have now and I will stay with dish until the end. I have been with them for years and as dumb as this sounds, I don't like the guides and info screens on direct, my Dad has direct, guess I am just use to Dish. lol Be patient all good things come to those who wait.

Cygnis1
03-15-2008, 09:07 AM
I looked on the Dish website and there is no mention of the satellite problem. Wouldn't it be nice if they would keep their customers updated.

Hokoo
03-15-2008, 09:10 AM
I just found this link here, not sure about its reliability...

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Proton_rocket_launches_AMC-14_satellite

The Proton itself performed nominally, and the Briz-M upper stage successfully completed the first of three burns. During the second burn, however, an undisclosed malfunction occurred, leaving the satellite stranded in a much lower orbit than planned. It is unclear whether the satllite is recoverable. There are currently three options, which are to declare the satellite a write-off and de-orbit it, attempt to raise it to geosynchronous orbit under its own power, or propel it towards the Moon, using lunar gravity to slingshot it back into the correct orbit. If either of the latter options are chosen, it will be at great cost to the satellite's on-orbit life expectancy.

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 09:20 AM
Not that big of a deal, at least not to me. They will fix the problem in time it will just take a little longer. Patience my friends. I still would take what I have over Direct tv any day.:D

What do you have over Direct?

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 09:23 AM
Dish Network's New HDTV Satellite Fails
The rocket suffers an "anomaly" during second orbit.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (March 15, 2008) -- Dish Network's new satellite designed to expand its High-Definition programming capacity failed last night.

The AMC-14 satellite, which Dish was leasing from SES Americom, lifted off successfully yesterday morning.

But International Launch Services, which was conducting the launch, reports that an "anomaly" occurred during the second burn of the Breeze M upper stage. The satellite then failed to reach its planned orbit.

Once operational, the satellite was expected to enable Dish to begin adding high-def channels, increasing its current total to roughly 70 to 100 by year's end.

The satcaster has said it would launch three new satellites in 2008 to expand its capacity for high-def. Dish also plans to offer local HD channels in 100 markets by year's end.

There's no word this morning from Dish Network on its immediate plans for satellite launches or how this failure will affect its HD plans.

Link (http://www.tvpredictions.com/dishfailure031508.htm)

goober22
03-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Large article here:

"Proton rocket suffers launch failure"

http://spaceflightnow.com/proton/amc14/

"For the second time in six months, a commercial launch of the Russian Proton rocket ended in failure early Saturday after an undetermined problem struck the booster's upper stage, leaving the mission's DISH Network broadcasting payload in a useless orbit...."

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 09:33 AM
Perhaps they should not have used a Russian made rocket???


Seriously, this does suck. I was hoping you guys would get your latest HD channels ASAP. You have been loyal and patiently waiting. You do not deserve such horrible luck. Plus, it is better in the long run for both Direct and Dish customers.

tcarcio
03-15-2008, 10:23 AM
What do you have over Direct?

I had them for about six months and had nothing but problems. They repeatedly kept changing the reasons for the problems and sent me new recievers 3 times even though their installers told them it was some kind of uplink problem. I just never got what I paid for so I got rid of them and have had Dish for 2 years with no problems. Also my sister had been a Direct tv customer for a few years and she had more problems that whenever we all got together we would tell her we didn't want to hear it anymore. She switched to Dish 6 months ago and so far she is much happier.

bradp56
03-15-2008, 10:30 AM
I also have nothing against DTV just didnt like it. I hope they figure something out though because this is really a bad situation for them to be in.

tcarcio
03-15-2008, 10:38 AM
Don't get me wrong I do understand that it is all relative and peoples experiences are different but at some point you make a choice. Some people buy a Ford and only have problems with it so they probably won't buy another,some people have one for years and swear by them. It is the same thing.

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 10:51 AM
I understand. I am not going to argue with your personal experience. Just curious, was all.

Personally, I have yet to have an issue with Direct.

tcarcio
03-15-2008, 10:55 AM
:thumbsup: I understand. I am not going to argue with your personal experience. Just curious, was all.

Personally, I have yet to have an issue with Direct.

JeffJ72
03-15-2008, 10:57 AM
I understand that USA gear prolly costs more, but sometimes you get what you pay for:(

ArtWIS
03-15-2008, 11:05 AM
I looked on the Dish website and there is no mention of the satellite problem. Wouldn't it be nice if they would keep their customers updated.

E* is probably not making any early statement because it's not their Satellite. It is owned by SES America and was to be leased to E*. If there is a fix to get it to proper position from the 5000 miles away it is now it would take months from what I've read.

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 11:07 AM
Why does Dish lease their satellites instead of own? Wouldn't be more cost effective in the long run to own the birds? Doesn't Direct own their birds?

techster
03-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Im sure Dish is working on a solution.Sky angel bandwith will be freed up at the end of this month.Perhaps dish can do something with the space on that satellite.If dish doesnt have a backup satellite it could be a long time before another one is launched.Here is one idea,convert all customers who have MPEG2 receivers to mpeg 4 receivers.Yes I know that would be expensive.Dish could do a free swap or something as long as the customer extends their contract.Getting rid of all MPEG2 will almost certainly give Dish more space for HD.I like Dish and will stick with them,because Im currently in a contract.Dish needs to act quickly though because alot of their subscribers will be leaving and going to D,hd subscribers that is.If this is going to be a long drawn out process however they might need to look into lowering their HD package prices.D has a lot more HD for a lot less.:)

crazyal
03-15-2008, 11:48 AM
Why does Dish lease their satellites instead of own? Wouldn't be more cost effective in the long run to own the birds? Doesn't Direct own their birds?

I would say this is the reason why you don't want to own the sat, lol. Would you rather be paying a lease or own a multi million dollar bird sitting in a useless orbit? I wonder how you move a satellite? I'm sure they only put a limited amount of fuel aboard to fine tune the orbit. Maybe they cna hire NASA and have the shuttle tow it closer to where it needs to be. If they do does that mean the shuttle will have to be fitted with yellow flashing lights, lol?

If Dish is planning on adding three more satellites does anyone know where they are going to be? I'm just wondering if it will mean just getting a dish that has three or four horns or if we'll need to add more dishes? I've already got three dishes (two for Dish and one for Hughes), I really don't want to look like a broadcast tower.

goober22
03-15-2008, 02:15 PM
Bottom line is that this is going to push their HD plan back months/years. The next sat to launch is not the same setup as I understand. E* will have to re-align their HD plans to get their HD out to compete with D* and cable.

Overall, very bad news to E* and all their HD subs.

DodgerKing
03-15-2008, 02:22 PM
I would say this is the reason why you don't want to own the sat, lol. Would you rather be paying a lease or own a multi million dollar bird sitting in a useless orbit? I wonder how you move a satellite? I'm sure they only put a limited amount of fuel aboard to fine tune the orbit. Maybe they cna hire NASA and have the shuttle tow it closer to where it needs to be. If they do does that mean the shuttle will have to be fitted with yellow flashing lights, lol?

If Dish is planning on adding three more satellites does anyone know where they are going to be? I'm just wondering if it will mean just getting a dish that has three or four horns or if we'll need to add more dishes? I've already got three dishes (two for Dish and one for Hughes), I really don't want to look like a broadcast tower.

Not necessarily. Even leased equipment has upfront costs and both have insurance.

Hokoo
03-16-2008, 06:03 AM
Dish not letting there loyal customers in the loop and least give some idea of when is what boils my blood the most...

If the rumors and speculation is correct and they won't really have the locals and other HD set in stone until next year, because of this failed bird, that gives me reason to switch over for 1 contract until they catch up, then flip back over...

The upcoming new season of tv shows is just around the corner and I really don't want to watch them in SD again, when I have spent all this money to be able to watch them on HD...

Most of them are on local and I could dvr them off OTA but the signal goes in/out most the time when watching OTA...

I'm disabled in a wheelchair and can't climb up on the roof to try re-align it or I might...

daleb
03-16-2008, 10:15 AM
Dish not letting there loyal customers in the loop and least give some idea of when is what boils my blood the most...

If the rumors and speculation is correct and they won't really have the locals and other HD set in stone until next year, because of this failed bird, that gives me reason to switch over for 1 contract until they catch up, then flip back over...

The upcoming new season of tv shows is just around the corner and I really don't want to watch them in SD again, when I have spent all this money to be able to watch them on HD...

Most of them are on local and I could dvr them off OTA but the signal goes in/out most the time when watching OTA...

I'm disabled in a wheelchair and can't climb up on the roof to try re-align it or I might...

It's seems it might be best to improve your OTA situation, unless you are in a valley, etc. where it will always be marginal.
It could be worth a small investment to have a nice outdoor antenna installed, etc. Some good luck with newer small profile models if you are not in a fringe area.
Might be fewer headaches than switching sat services back and forth.
Just a suggestion.
I'm waiting too, but with the delay in new programming because of the writer's strike, it might all be working in our favor. We can hope anyway!

doctom
03-16-2008, 11:15 AM
I wonder how you move a satellite? I'm sure they only put a limited amount of fuel aboard to fine tune the orbit. Maybe they cna hire NASA and have the shuttle tow it closer to where it needs to be.

There may be some options to save the satellite, AMC-14, if it is not found to be completely useless. You can read several threads on this at the dish-network-forum at satelliteguys.

I am not a communications expert, but two options are:

1) Use the satellites own power thrusters to move it to the correct orbit. This will use up much of its fuel, so will reduce its lifespan/usefulness.

2) Slingshot it around the moon and back to earth to the correct orbit. This will use less fuel. This maneuver apparently has been performed successfully before for on at least one other errant satellite.

Either one of these will take months to do, but at least the satellite might be salvagable. No doubt the insurance issue will figure into the discussions and ultimately, the final decision.

Of course, I agree with most comments here and elsewhere that the big issue for DISH is an immediate response to placate its customers. They should, and almost certainly must, add more HD now or many subscribers are going to jump ship. I know they are aware of this and I'm sure there are several discussions right now at DISH regarding all of these issues. I'm hopeful they understand the urgency of this and will respond to the public and customers very soon.

ILOVEMYHDTV
03-16-2008, 11:27 AM
HI all. ok this reeally sucks:crying: now that other "D" sat company sending there's sat up; oopp's they did it already. Now to the other part, what is wrong in using NASA; oh gotta spend another 10 million. Let's go to a country for that blue light special. Is it because of the way the sat needs to get to orbit...well it seems that out of the question. I know someone that works for NASA. And she works for well; well let put this way they have and I (eye) on a lot more than u think. And the teck is infrinkin credible. And our tax money well spent so you can wake up the next day...?? If they can not fix this; well they better not pass the cost to there customers; AND SUCK IT UP AND GET GOING !!!!!!!!!!! If they need to use outside source, let say Japan, there pretty tech savy ; I mean like there internet speed is like 100 times faster than ours,,, hmmmm wounder why?.? but any hyu, just my opinion:banana:

ILOVEMYHDTV
03-16-2008, 11:37 AM
Hi all, just one more thing, they should call NASA an see how much for a "TOW" :lol: :lol: :lol: . sense at this date and time the SHUTTLE is up and flying.

Type A
03-16-2008, 11:54 AM
This is just a delay, and not a big deal. My guess is they will use the slingshot method to correct the issue. Its a new sat, they wont want to reduce its life by burning all the fuel just to correct this error. In the end, this error will only result in dish delaying new channels as the new sat takes a joy-ride around the moon. I dont see a mass exodus of dish customers because of this, as dish just isnt lacking that much hd. For those that do leave dish because of this delay, thats probably for the best, as most likely those are pita customers who have no knowledge of the history of hdtv anyway. As for me, I can remember the years dish was the only hdtv provider to speak of, with direct trailing miserably for all those years, that will keep me with dish...knowing they will probably be the hdtv leader again.

Lomax
03-16-2008, 01:38 PM
well i have been a dish customer for a year less then they have been operational, but if they do not have Sci-fi up in HD before BSG comes back i am gone :( i will hate to have to give up my 622 as i use it for a SD set in the bedroom and i will miss the Voom Channels. but it starts to get to much when you are so far behind. i have a package deal with ATT for phone and DSL so it really depends on what my total cost is going to be to switch. if its not to much i may get the HD package and keep the 622 for OTA and Dish Locals.

goober22
03-16-2008, 03:28 PM
This is just a delay, and not a big deal. My guess is they will use the slingshot method to correct the issue. Its a new sat, they wont want to reduce its life by burning all the fuel just to correct this error. In the end, this error will only result in dish delaying new channels as the new sat takes a joy-ride around the moon. I dont see a mass exodus of dish customers because of this, as dish just isnt lacking that much hd. For those that do leave dish because of this delay, thats probably for the best, as most likely those are pita customers who have no knowledge of the history of hdtv anyway. As for me, I can remember the years dish was the only hdtv provider to speak of, with direct trailing miserably for all those years, that will keep me with dish...knowing they will probably be the hdtv leader again.

I'm sorry, but you are way too optimistic. history has shown that the owner will de-orbit the sat and let insurance cover the costs. Otherwise, they will accept basically 1/3rd the life of a billion dollar sat.

This will mean months of delays for the users (Dish) of the sats transponders. THIS is a setback for Dish no matter how you look at it.

DodgerKing
03-16-2008, 03:31 PM
I am sure Dish has a plan B. So even though this satellite may never be of use, they may still be able to provide more HD this year via other strategies.

richiephx1
03-16-2008, 03:49 PM
I looked on the Dish website and there is no mention of the satellite problem. Wouldn't it be nice if they would keep their customers updated.

Beyond turning on their satellite receiver and tv and watching the programming they pay for, the large majority of the E* subscriber base don't get HD programming and don't have a clue about satellite launches and failures that have no impact on their current service. Only a very small minority who read these DBS forums know what's going on or even cares.

bradp56
03-16-2008, 05:27 PM
Thats true I never thought about that, it is more beneficial for dish to not say anything about the satellite because for the people without HD what they dont know wont hurt them. Plus there are many with HD that didnt even know there was a satellite supposed to go up.

Type A
03-16-2008, 06:24 PM
I'm sorry, but you are way too optimistic. history has shown that the owner will de-orbit the sat and let insurance cover the costs. Otherwise, they will accept basically 1/3rd the life of a billion dollar sat.

This will mean months of delays for the users (Dish) of the sats transponders. THIS is a setback for Dish no matter how you look at it.


Lol. I cant tell you how ironic I find this statement coming from a Direct tv customer. How long have you been with direct tv goober, are you even familiar with the direct tv legacy of numerous delays and several broken promises? Id much rather have this delay, or "setback" from dish, than the years direct trailed in hdtv programming, or their numerous broken promises and empty dreams that has really tended to define what it means to be a direct tv customer. You eventually got those hdtv channels from direct, but you waited much longer than what dish customers will have to wait for these handful of missing channels that are delayed by this launch glitch.:haha:

ans2004
03-16-2008, 06:43 PM
Directv's Satellite Launches Tomorrow Morning. When That Is Up And Running More Hd Will Be Are Way. Ya It Took Directv A Long Time To Catch Up , I Mean Take The Lead, But If Dish Was So Good They Should Have Gotten Agreements With The Same Channels That Directv Got Before The Last Directv Satellite Launch. They Didn't Their Loss And Directv's Gain. It Doesn't Matter What Provider You Have There Will Always Be Broken Promises And Delays. It's Called Life Deal With It..............

Type A
03-16-2008, 06:48 PM
It Doesn't Matter What Provider You Have There Will Always Be Broken Promises Ans Delays. It's Called Life Deal With It..............

Bull Shit Sir, It Very Much Matters. Direct Is Far Worst (IE Notorious) For Letting Down Its Customers. As A Dish Customer I Have Had To Deal With It Far Less Than If I Had Been A Direct Customer...Perhaps It Is You Who Should Consider Dealing With It.

ans2004
03-16-2008, 07:15 PM
i've read complaints from customers of both companies. your experiences (and mine) with the companies are only our personal opinions. if you don't like directv, then thats fine. i don't have any love for dish either. but my opinion doesn't mean that dish is the worst company out their. maybe you've had less issues with dish than directv, then good for you, your happy with your service. we will see by years end which company comes out on top, remember there's always that possibility in the future that directv and dish will merge, then what? so untill these new birds are running we will just have to take the bad along with the good. i still say that dish owes their customers more hd and they need to expand their local offerings, which will happen when this problem with the satellite is fixed. by then directv's satellite will be running and directv's hd offerings will get bigger.

Type A
03-16-2008, 07:21 PM
Again, you are incorrect. When it comes to direct, with their empty promises and broken dreams, it is NOT opinion, it is FACT. Nor is the FACT that D-nile is NOT just a 'river in Egypt', ans2004. ;)

ans2004
03-16-2008, 07:25 PM
list some of these empty promises! as i see it dish is the one thats lacking. directv delivered more hd as promised by their ads. and tomorrow they deliver again as the new bird flys. your the one that can't face reality!!!!!!!!!!!!1:lol: :lol: :lol:

richiephx1
03-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Directv's Satellite Launches Tomorrow Morning. When That Is Up And Running More Hd Will Be Are Way. Ya It Took Directv A Long Time To Catch Up , I Mean Take The Lead, But If Dish Was So Good They Should Have Gotten Agreements With The Same Channels That Directv Got Before The Last Directv Satellite Launch. They Didn't Their Loss And Directv's Gain. It Doesn't Matter What Provider You Have There Will Always Be Broken Promises And Delays. It's Called Life Deal With It..............

Here we go again with the stupidity and misinformation. No one really cares who has more HD channels anyway. Except for you maybe.

daleb
03-16-2008, 08:05 PM
All right already!!
So, not all satellites make it, it's the name of the game.

Dish was a leader for a long time, IMO. I think in only the last 12-18 months has Direct provided some serious competition.

More competition is better for all subscribers. The last thing we want is only one satellite company and have it go the way of cable. You should hope the best for both in the future, it will benefit all of us in the long run.
Before Dish's more recent problems, both companies were leap-frogging each other on a regular basis. That's how it should be.

DodgerKing
03-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Bull Shit Sir, It Very Much Matters. Direct Is Far Worst (IE Notorious) For Letting Down Its Customers. As A Dish Customer I Have Had To Deal With It Far Less Than If I Had Been A Direct Customer...Perhaps It Is You Who Should Consider Dealing With It.

I've never had to deal with any broken promises or let downs since I have had Direct... I have been with them for over 5 years.

DodgerKing
03-16-2008, 08:18 PM
Again, you are incorrect. When it comes to direct, with their empty promises and broken dreams, it is NOT opinion, it is FACT. Nor is the FACT that D-nile is NOT just a 'river in Egypt', ans2004. ;)

Again, it is a fact that I have never had a single broken promise or let down since I have been with Direct. Not one single one....never once...

DodgerKing
03-16-2008, 08:21 PM
All right already!!
So, not all satellites make it, it's the name of the game.

Dish was a leader for a long time, IMO. I think in only the last 12-18 months has Direct provided some serious competition.

More competition is better for all subscribers. The last thing we want is only one satellite company and have it go the way of cable. You should hope the best for both in the future, it will benefit all of us in the long run.
Before Dish's more recent problems, both companies were leap-frogging each other on a regular basis. That's how it should be.
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jpfrasier
03-16-2008, 09:01 PM
All right already!!
So, not all satellites make it, it's the name of the game.

Dish was a leader for a long time, IMO. I think in only the last 12-18 months has Direct provided some serious competition.

More competition is better for all subscribers. The last thing we want is only one satellite company and have it go the way of cable. You should hope the best for both in the future, it will benefit all of us in the long run.
Before Dish's more recent problems, both companies were leap-frogging each other on a regular basis. That's how it should be.

Preach on brother!

spokybob
03-16-2008, 10:43 PM
I was with D* for 9 years with 3 sports packages. I had cable for my locals when DISH had locals. I lived with that. Then I moved to Illinois when I retired. No locals again. Mediacom charged me 16 bucks for 2-13. Finally DirectV got locals. They set up rabbit ears in downtown Rock Island for FOX18. It had really bad ghosts. CSR kept sending out techs to adjust my equipment LOL. They kept claiming locals were all digital. Then sports got to expensive. When I decided to do HDTV, D* was not even considered. DISH is not perfect. I'll wait & see if the delay will be lengthly for TWC etc.

goober22
03-17-2008, 07:10 AM
Lol. I cant tell you how ironic I find this statement coming from a Direct tv customer. How long have you been with direct tv goober, are you even familiar with the direct tv legacy of numerous delays and several broken promises? Id much rather have this delay, or "setback" from dish, than the years direct trailed in hdtv programming, or their numerous broken promises and empty dreams that has really tended to define what it means to be a direct tv customer. You eventually got those hdtv channels from direct, but you waited much longer than what dish customers will have to wait for these handful of missing channels that are delayed by this launch glitch.:haha:

I'm sorry you can't read. Maybe you need to re-read my post. I never even mentioned D* or any other provider! You must be holding some grudge against D* it seems.

Speaking from a financial point of view, I SAID, history has shown that the sat owner usually will choose to de-orbit the sat to recover the full insurance loss against it, rather than "make-do" with a failed launch that will force it to use so much of its onboard fuel and therefore drastically shorten its lifescan.

If this is the case, then it WILL be a setback for E* subs. It is up to you to decide how this effects you, but regardless, it is a setback either way. If you don't understand the definition of setback, then pickup a dictionary. Even if they raise it into a useable orbit, it will take awhile, use fuel and push back E*'s HD plans for months - setback.

:haha: to you my dictionary lacking, D* hating friend!

ama299
03-17-2008, 07:33 AM
Here some useful info to add
http://dish.client.shareholder.com/secfiling.cfm?filingid=950134-08-4856

Item 8.01. Other Events.
On March 14, 2008, a Proton launch vehicle carrying the SES Americom AMC-14 satellite experienced an anomaly which left the satellite in a lower orbit than planned. While further testing will be necessary, the satellite appears to be functional. Engineers from SES Americom and Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the satellite, are exploring options to potentially bring AMC-14 into its proper orbit. If those efforts are successful, station keeping fuel would be required to correct the orbit, so the service life of the satellite would be substantially reduced.
We intended to lease the entire capacity of the satellite from EchoStar Corporation in order to, among other things, increase the number of high definition channels we offer. Therefore, the launch anomaly will result in a delay in our roll out of some high definition channels, including some local network channels.

Cygnis1
03-17-2008, 08:09 AM
As for Dish not wanting to advertise their problems ie HD programing delays. I signed up for the Dish newsletter or whatever they call it. I would have thought I would have had news of satellite launches, failures, new HD channels etc. I have yet to receive an email from them. Has anyone gotten ANY news from Dish?

Yes616
03-17-2008, 12:34 PM
We now have a statement from SES Americom..

March 17, 2008 -- Princeton, NJ -- SES AMERICOM, an SES company (Euronext Paris and Luxembourg Stock Exchange: SESG), today confirmed that its AMC-14 satellite failed to reach its intended orbit following its launch on board a Russian Proton Breeze-M launch vehicle on March 15. An anomaly during the second burn of the fourth stage of the rocket resulted in the satellite being placed short of the planned geostationary transfer orbit.

"While we are not in a position to comment on the possible causes of this launch anomaly, the satellite is healthy and is operating nominally in a stable orbit under the control of Lockheed Martin. SES and Lockheed Martin engineers are currently exploring various options for bringing AMC-14 into its proper geostationary orbit," said Martin Halliwell, President of SES ENGINEERING.

AMC-14 was built by Lockheed Martin Commercial Space Systems, with launch services from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan provided by ILS (International Launch Services).

In all of the various scenarios to redirect the spacecraft, onboard fuel will have to be used to propel the satellite to its correct orbital position, thereby reducing its service life. SES’ investment in AMC-14 is insured for partial and total loss.

The spacecraft is entirely contracted by EchoStar Corporation and is intended to operate at the orbital position of 61.5 degrees West.

"We are confident that the engineering teams at Lockheed Martin and SES will find a way to place AMC-14 into the correct orbit in a manner that our customer’s requirements can be met," said Edward Horowitz, President and CEO of SES AMERICOM. "We cannot, at this time, speculate on the impact of the orbit raising activities on both the in-service date and the service life of AMC-14. We will provide additional information in due time."

All we can do now is sit back and wait and see.

antediluvian
03-17-2008, 01:56 PM
So the failure to get the bird into teh correct orbit is a HUGE problem for those of use in the Oregon-Washington area. I've been anxiously awaiting when my HD service would not be interrupted by pretty much any and every cloud overhead....and let's just say there is a cloud or two in the winter. This satellite was supposedly the answer to our prayers.

So, for some of you, I realize this is no big deal. For those of us in the upper left corner of the US, it is a very big deal.

Amazing how the company never tells you about the reception problems in the Northwest BEFORE you sign the 2 year agreement.....nor will they release you from your contract when it is brought up later.

Type A
03-17-2008, 01:59 PM
I'm sorry you can't read. Maybe you need to re-read my post. I never even mentioned D* or any other provider! You must be holding some grudge against D* it seems.

Ah, my bad...I dont consider the situation as serious as you (at least the sat didnt blow up on the launch pad), but I do understand what you are saying.

Type A
03-17-2008, 02:51 PM
Directv's Satellite Launches Tomorrow Morning. When That Is Up And Running More Hd Will Be Are Way. Ya It Took Directv A Long Time To Catch Up , I Mean Take The Lead, But If Dish Was So Good They Should Have Gotten Agreements With The Same Channels That Directv Got Before The Last Directv Satellite Launch. They Didn't Their Loss And Directv's Gain. It Doesn't Matter What Provider You Have There Will Always Be Broken Promises And Delays. It's Called Life Deal With It.............



"Say it ain't so! Just hours after DISH Network's AMC-14 launch went awry, along comes word that the looming DirecTV 11 launch has officially been delayed (again, sort of). According to a blurb on Sea Launch's own website, the "mission is now on hold." Further reports clarify that an undisclosed "issue" is causing the holdup, and Sea Launch will be updating with information as its team investigates. Unfortunately, your guess is as good as ours as to when this bird will finally get airborne."

Wow, what timing eh?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/17/directv-11-satellite-launch-officially-delayed/

richiephx1
03-17-2008, 04:42 PM
So the failure to get the bird into teh correct orbit is a HUGE problem for those of use in the Oregon-Washington area. I've been anxiously awaiting when my HD service would not be interrupted by pretty much any and every cloud overhead....and let's just say there is a cloud or two in the winter. This satellite was supposedly the answer to our prayers.

So, for some of you, I realize this is no big deal. For those of us in the upper left corner of the US, it is a very big deal.

Amazing how the company never tells you about the reception problems in the Northwest BEFORE you sign the 2 year agreement.....nor will they release you from your contract when it is brought up later.

I am assuming you are getting the 110 and 119 satellites and the 129 sat for a lot of your HD channels. Please tell how the AMC14 problem impacts you? AMC 14 was to replace an older satellite that is still functioning at 61.5 (minus 4 transponders that are dead). E* still has the capacity to add several HD channels. If you are currently getting signal from 61.5 today, you will continue to get the same signal tomorrow.

Yes616
03-17-2008, 06:53 PM
So the failure to get the bird into teh correct orbit is a HUGE problem for those of use in the Oregon-Washington area. I've been anxiously awaiting when my HD service would not be interrupted by pretty much any and every cloud overhead....and let's just say there is a cloud or two in the winter. This satellite was supposedly the answer to our prayers.

So, for some of you, I realize this is no big deal. For those of us in the upper left corner of the US, it is a very big deal.

Amazing how the company never tells you about the reception problems in the Northwest BEFORE you sign the 2 year agreement.....nor will they release you from your contract when it is brought up later.

AMC-14 has nothing to do with the western USA. This bird is for 61.5 for much of the east. You need to watch for Ceil-2 that will go to the 129 spot and scheduled for launch in December 2008.

Echostar 11 going to 110, scheduled for June will give everyone most of the national HD but I now worry as it is going up on the same kind of rocket that just failed AMC-14. And from the same launch site.

March 14: AMC-14
launcher: Proton M / Briz M
launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan
mission: commercial communications satellite


June: Echostar 11
launcher: Proton M / Briz M
launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan
mission: commercial communications satellite


This is for the 129 folks.. And by the way.. YIKES!!

December: Ciel-2
launcher: Proton M / Briz M
launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan
mission:


I think I'm gonna be sick.

This all comes from here.. The Best Satellite Launch Schedule on the web (http://www.satelliteonthenet.co.uk/launch.html)

Yes616
03-17-2008, 07:49 PM
Looks like I am not the only one leary of this launch vehicle..
EE Times: Latest News
Inmarsat postpones satellite launch after Proton launcher failure


John Walko
EE Times Europe
(03/17/2008 8:37 AM EDT)


LONDON — Mobile satellite communications services provider Inmarsat has postponed the launch of its third Inmarsat-4 satellite -- that was to give a major boost to its provision of broadband networks throughout Europe -- following the failure over the weekend of International Launch Services' Proton rocket to place the AMC-14 communications satellite into geosynchrononous transfer orbit.
Built by Lockheed Martin, AMC-14 was owned by SES Americom , part of Paris, France- based SES, and planned for use by Echostar Inc. for improving communications services over parts of North and South America.

The failure to place the AMC-14 satellite into orbit was attributed to an anomaly during the second burn of the Breeze M upper stage. Inmarsat (London, England) immediately suspended plans to ship the third Inmarsat-4 satellite to its launch site and expects the scheduled late-April launch to be postponed pending an investigation into the failed launch of the Russian rocket.

This was thesecond ILS Proton launch failure caused by a malfunction of the Breeze M. The AMC-14 launch from Baikonur was the 45th Proton mission for ILS, and the fifth failure since it began commercial launches of the Russian booster in April 1996.

"While we are not in a position to comment on the possible causes of this launch anomaly, the satellite is healthy and is operating nominally in a stable orbit under the control of Lockheed Martin. SES and Lockheed Martin engineers are currently exploring various options for bringing AMC-14 into its proper geostationary orbit," said Martin Halliwell, President of SES Engineering.

Edward Horowitz, President and CEO of SES Americom, added the satellite network operator is "confident" the engineering teams at Lockheed Martin and SES will find a way to place AMC-14 into the correct orbit.


Here's the link (http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206903993)

bradp56
03-17-2008, 07:59 PM
I hope they atleast get this up and working, there is a retail chat tomorrow at 12:30pm hopefully they will let us know something.

Yes616
03-17-2008, 08:09 PM
I hope they atleast get this up and working, there is a retail chat tomorrow at 12:30pm hopefully they will let us know something.

Brad please do tell what is said there. Thanks.

Cygnis1
03-18-2008, 07:14 AM
I just had a thought. This would be a good time for someone to start up a satellite repair service. They could launch a remotely controlled vehicle that would have extra fuel and could possibly refuel satellites in orbit or possible tow them into the proper orbit. A fine opportunity for free enterprise in space.

davecramer74
03-18-2008, 08:57 AM
well that sucks for dish customers who dont currently have their local HD. Dish has a pretty good selection already, so i dont see it as being nothing but a delay. My guess is they get the 2-3 years of life outta this satellite to buy them time to get their other birds in the air. And lokheed can right it off as a partial loss.

daleb
03-18-2008, 12:04 PM
well that sucks for dish customers who dont currently have their local HD. Dish has a pretty good selection already, so i dont see it as being nothing but a delay. My guess is they get the 2-3 years of life outta this satellite to buy them time to get their other birds in the air. And lokheed can right it off as a partial loss.

The problem was a defective booster on the Russian Proton rocket, not the satellite. Lockheed Martin delivered as promised, a functional satellite. And now are working to correct it's position as a result of the orbit anomaly.
They should not need to write anything off.

ans2004
03-18-2008, 02:28 PM
Directv 11 Will Be Going Up Tomorrow Morning 3/19/08.........
Alright

bradp56
03-18-2008, 02:33 PM
Today at 12:30 Dish hosted a chat to all its retailers on channel 999. all the information is here.
http://www./dish-network-forum/128683-dish-network-outlines-upcoming-hd-launch-schedule.html

It looks like Dish is still a go with their plans even though the satellite needs to be corrected.

daleb
03-18-2008, 02:52 PM
Today at 12:30 Dish hosted a chat to all its retailers on channel 999. all the information is here.
http://www./dish-network-forum/128683-dish-network-outlines-upcoming-hd-launch-schedule.html

It looks like Dish is still a go with their plans even though the satellite needs to be corrected.

Link will not go through. Maybe the server is overloaded.

bradp56
03-18-2008, 04:44 PM
I think I cant post it beause its to another forum sorry.

daleb
03-18-2008, 05:57 PM
I think I cant post it beause its to another forum sorry.

No problem, I'm sure it will get wider coverage.

Hvnsent309
03-18-2008, 06:03 PM
DISH Network Outlines Upcoming HD Launch Schedule

ENGLEWOOD, Colo., Mar 18, 2008 (PrimeNewswire via COMTEX News Network) -- DISH Network(r) Corporation (Nasdaq:DISH), the nation's third-largest pay-TV provider, today confirmed that plans to enhance its HD programming line-up this spring remain on track, despite the launch anomaly experienced by the AMC-14 satellite on March 14.

Over the next two months, DISH Network will increase its local HD offering by more than 60 percent with the addition of HD broadcast networks in the following markets:

April May
----- ---
* Abilene, TX * Beaumont, TX
* Austin, TX * Burlington, VT
* Baltimore, MD * Grand Rapids, MI
* Columbia, SC * Green Bay, WI
* Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, MI * Greenville, SC
* Ft. Myers, FL * Huntsville, AL
* Greensboro, NC * Knoxville, TN
* Milwaukee, WI * Norfolk, VA
* Orlando, FL * Richmond, VA
* Providence, RI
* Tampa, FL
* West Palm Beach, FL
"DISH Network customers can be reassured that the expansion of our HD programming over the next few months will proceed as planned," said Charlie Ergen, Chairman, CEO and President of DISH Network. "We are fortunate to have two more satellites scheduled for launch later this year to continue our HD rollout and reach our year-end goal of 100 local HD markets and 100 national HD channels."

Upcoming national HD announcements may include the addition of ABC Family HD, AMC HD, BET HD, The Biography Channel HD, Bravo HD, Cartoon Network HD, CMT HD, CNN HD, Disney Channel HD, ESPN News HD, HBO2 HD, IFC HD, MGM HD, MoreMAX HD, MTV HD, Nickelodeon HD, Sci-Fi HD, Smithsonian Channel HD, Starz Edge HD, Tennis Channel HD, Superstation WGN HD, The Weather Channel HD, Toon Disney HD, USA Network HD and VH-1 HD.

For more information about DISH Network, call 1-800-333-DISH (3474), visit www.dishnetwork.com, or visit your local DISH Network retailer.


Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995

Except for historical information contained herein, the matters set forth in this press release are forward-looking statements. The forward-looking statements set forth above involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from any such statement, including the risks and uncertainties discussed in DISH Network Corporation's Disclosure Regarding Forward-Looking Statements included in its recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including its annual report on Form 10-K. The forward-looking statements speak only as of the date made, and DISH Network Corporation expressly disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements.


About DISH Network Corporation

DISH Network Corporation (Nasdaq:DISH) provides more than 13.78 million satellite TV customers with industry-leading customer satisfaction, which has surpassed major cable companies for seven years running. DISH Network customers also enjoy access to a premier line of award-winning Digital Video Recorders (DVRs), hundreds of video and audio channels, the most International channels in the U.S., industry-leading Interactive TV applications, Latino programming, and the best sports and movies in HD. DISH Network offers a variety of package and price options including the lowest all-digital price in America, the DishDVR Advantage Package, high-speed Internet service, and a free upgrade to the best HD DVR in the industry. DISH Network is included in the Nasdaq-100 Index (NDX) and is a Fortune 300 company. Visit www.dishnetwork.com/aboutus or call 1-800-333-DISH (3474) for more information.

This news release was distributed by PrimeNewswire, www.primenewswire.com

SOURCE: DISH Network Corporation

Yes616
03-18-2008, 06:04 PM
Here are the words from that other forum..

DISH NETWORK® OUTLINES UPCOMING HD LAUNCH SCHEDULE

Englewood, Colo., March 18, 2008 – DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH), the nation’s third-largest pay-TV provider, today confirmed that plans to enhance its HD programming line-up this spring remain on track, despite the launch anomaly experienced by the AMC-14 satellite on March 14.

Over the next two months, DISH Network will increase its local HD offering by more than 60 percent with the addition of HD broadcast networks in the following markets:

April

· Abilene, TX
· Austin, TX
· Baltimore, MD
· Columbia, SC
· Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, MI
· Ft. Myers, FL
· Greensboro, NC
· Milwaukee, WI
· Orlando, FL
· Providence, RI
· Tampa, FL
· West Palm Beach, FL

May

· Beaumont, TX
· Burlington, VT
· Grand Rapids, MI
· Green Bay, WI
· Greenville, SC
· Huntsville, AL
· Knoxville, TN
· Norfolk, VA
· Richmond, VA


“DISH Network customers can be reassured that the expansion of our HD programming over the next few months will proceed as planned,” said Charlie Ergen, Chairman, CEO and President of DISH Network. “We are fortunate to have two more satellites scheduled for launch later this year to continue our HD rollout and reach our year-end goal of 100 local HD markets and 100 national HD channels.”

Upcoming national HD announcements may include the addition of ABC Family HD, AMC HD, BET HD, The Biography Channel HD, Bravo HD, Cartoon Network HD, CMT HD, CNN HD, Disney Channel HD, ESPN News HD, HBO2 HD, IFC HD, MGM HD, MoreMAX HD, MTV HD, Nickelodeon HD, Sci-Fi HD, Smithsonian Channel HD, Starz Edge HD, Tennis Channel HD, Superstation WGN HD, The Weather Channel HD, Toon Disney HD, USA Network HD and VH-1 HD.

For more information about DISH Network, call 1-800-333-DISH (3474), visit DISH Network -- Home, or visit your local DISH Network retailer.


I don't know what to make of that "Upcoming national HD announcements may include the addition of.." thing. Like I said earlier, we can only wait and see.

doctom
03-18-2008, 06:11 PM
I think I cant post it beause its to another forum sorry.

That is what happened to me when I tried to paste the links to the satellite guys forum who were discussing the issue about this satellite problem in my earlier posts in this thread. I finally just pasted the link without satellite guys in the address and stated it was at the satellite guys web site.

bradp56
03-18-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks for putting that up for me. It looks like good news so hopefully it will happen as they say.

Yes616
03-18-2008, 06:53 PM
And I tried to delete it after I saw it was just posted one minute before me but I froze up. Oh well, we got it in stereo.

bradp56
03-18-2008, 08:21 PM
Hey YES you seem to have some inside information do you know anything about this like when the new channels will be on my television?

DodgerKing
03-19-2008, 07:46 PM
"Say it ain't so! Just hours after DISH Network's AMC-14 launch went awry, along comes word that the looming DirecTV 11 launch has officially been delayed (again, sort of). According to a blurb on Sea Launch's own website, the "mission is now on hold." Further reports clarify that an undisclosed "issue" is causing the holdup, and Sea Launch will be updating with information as its team investigates. Unfortunately, your guess is as good as ours as to when this bird will finally get airborne."

Wow, what timing eh?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/17/directv-11-satellite-launch-officially-delayed/

Not any more. It was a successful launch today

Type A
03-20-2008, 11:33 AM
Not any more. It was a successful launch today

:thumbsup:

Yes616
03-20-2008, 12:49 PM
Hey YES you seem to have some inside information do you know anything about this like when the new channels will be on my television?

I hear things from places. Sometimes they are correct and sometimes not. Look into my history and you will find I was one of the first to tell about the additions of all of last summers new HD channels but got it wrong last December with Sci-Fi-HD and USA-HD.

No way to be sure just yet about when exactly you will see new channels on your TV as I am sure "Chewin' Charlie" is still trying to chew 'em down.

I will spill my guts when I get something real or will tell anything I get as a maybe and announce it here as such ASAP. Stay tuned.

fr8mvr
03-20-2008, 12:53 PM
Hey YES you seem to have some inside information do you know anything about this like when the new channels will be on my television?

He get's his information from Satellite guys.us

DodgerKing
03-20-2008, 01:44 PM
:thumbsup:

Hopefully they can get Dish's satellite up and functional without eating up too much of the birds life span.

Yes616
03-21-2008, 04:14 PM
He get's his information from Satellite guys (dot) us


Hey fr8mvr; Didn't we go through this several months ago?

Yes, that is just one of the sources but there are more. Again, I will post only real news when it gets real. Rumors will also be posted as such and duly noted. Now I am also in that sites' backroom (the pub), some stuff is secret and I must respect that but it helps give me the "heads up" to get the news here ASAP when it is OK to do so.

fr8mvr
03-21-2008, 05:17 PM
Hey fr8mvr; Didn't we go through this several months ago?

Yes, that is just one of the sources but there are more. Again, I will post only real news when it gets real. Rumors will also be posted as such and duly noted. Now I am also in that sites' backroom (the pub), some stuff is secret and I must respect that but it helps give me the "heads up" to get the news here ASAP when it is OK to do so.

Yes we did, Just fess up and quit acting like you have a pipeline to Charlie;) or you could just copy off of Swanni since he gets his DISH info from the same place:lol:

SundanceTV
03-22-2008, 12:25 AM
Guess that means a delay in SciFi HD, that does not make me happy.

richiephx1
03-22-2008, 09:49 AM
Free razorblades....anyone?

bff426
03-22-2008, 10:50 AM
I'm sorry to see Dish Network had the satellite failure. Unfortunately, it probably means that the satellite is a loss, and will set back their plans 18-24 months. It takes that long to construct the satellites and schedule the launch. It now makes my decision to switch to DirecTV seem prescient.

I had been a three year Dish Network customer. In my market, Connecticut, high definition locals were not offered originally. I was told that they would be coming soon. Three years later, I was still waiting. I would call every three months or so to see if there was any updated information. Foolish of me, as they never give their customer service representatives any information. Always it was coming "soon".

I also became annoyed that in spite of the fact that I was paying $20 a month extra for HDTV service, I was not getting channels like National Geographic and other non-premium HDTV channels. I was told I would have to upgrade my programming package further to receive them.

I watched the Dish lead in high definition channels evaporate. Their claim to lead in "national" HDTV channels is amusing to me. This includes their VOOM channels, which are largely unwatchable. For those reasons, as well as Charley's refusal to reach agreement with The Yes Network, I moved to DirecTV.

I've now been with them for three months. Their billing practices haven't pleased me, as each month I've had called to correct some error (funny how the error is always in their favor). I miss the Dish HD DVR two-room system. Otherwise, I'm very pleased with DirecTV's programming.

Before switching, I made one last call to Dish. I got the same answers to the same questions, basically nothing. So I canceled the service. Now, three months later, I'm still getting calls from them offering to upgrade my package, give me free months, etc. I politely say no, and they persist, until I tell them that I have switched to DirecTV. Then they become downright rude, and hang up.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Despite three calls, I still have not received a refund for my pre-paid January service. Looks like it's time for another call.

Yes616
03-22-2008, 01:30 PM
I'm sorry to see Dish Network had the satellite failure. Unfortunately, it probably means that the satellite is a loss, and will set back their plans 18-24 months. It takes that long to construct the satellites and schedule the launch. It now makes my decision to switch to DirecTV seem prescient.

I had been a three year Dish Network customer. In my market, Connecticut, high definition locals were not offered originally. I was told that they would be coming soon. Three years later, I was still waiting. I would call every three months or so to see if there was any updated information. Foolish of me, as they never give their customer service representatives any information. Always it was coming "soon".

I also became annoyed that in spite of the fact that I was paying $20 a month extra for HDTV service, I was not getting channels like National Geographic and other non-premium HDTV channels. I was told I would have to upgrade my programming package further to receive them.

I watched the Dish lead in high definition channels evaporate. Their claim to lead in "national" HDTV channels is amusing to me. This includes their VOOM channels, which are largely unwatchable. For those reasons, as well as Charley's refusal to reach agreement with The Yes Network, I moved to DirecTV.

I've now been with them for three months. Their billing practices haven't pleased me, as each month I've had called to correct some error (funny how the error is always in their favor). I miss the Dish HD DVR two-room system. Otherwise, I'm very pleased with DirecTV's programming.

Before switching, I made one last call to Dish. I got the same answers to the same questions, basically nothing. So I canceled the service. Now, three months later, I'm still getting calls from them offering to upgrade my package, give me free months, etc. I politely say no, and they persist, until I tell them that I have switched to DirecTV. Then they become downright rude, and hang up.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Despite three calls, I still have not received a refund for my pre-paid January service. Looks like it's time for another call.

Dish has some backup plans. AMC-14 was basically meant for HD locals. The E-12 will be used for that as a number of transponders will soon be freed up when Sky Angel vacates the satellite at the end of this month. Most of the new national HD channels will go to 110 when E-11 launches in June.

If you were looking for YES you definetly came to the wrong place is true. From what you say about your programming package, you seemed to have picked it wrong. I think you would have been happier with AT-250 and DishHD Essentials. That would cost just about the same as AT-200 plus DishHD Ultimate. The DVR Advantage Package may have helped you too.

Good luck trying to get your money back. I am getting the same kind of hassles from my old cell phone provider, SprintPCS. I dropped them and went to Verizon Wireless because of the lousy coverage where I am but Sprint still owes me over $100 saince last December.

Yes we did, Just fess up and quit acting like you have a pipeline to Charlie;) or you could just copy off of Swanni since he gets his DISH info from the same place:lol:

OK what is with you? Fess up to what? Where did I ever say I have a pipeline to Charlie?

I search multiple sites and I have an installer friend (more like a geek he is though) and post what I see and hear using my discretionary judgement. Is there something wrong with that?

peledre
03-22-2008, 02:21 PM
Screw these rockets launches. When are they going to get that Space Elevator up and running??

fr8mvr
03-22-2008, 09:04 PM
OK what is with you? Fess up to what? Where did I ever say I have a pipeline to Charlie?

I search multiple sites and I have an installer friend (more like a geek he is though) and post what I see and hear using my discretionary judgement. Is there something wrong with that?

Just give credit where it is due. It's not like your source is a secret.