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Cannot watch Live during recording ViP722

remingtoniron
03-05-2008, 12:25 AM
New here to Dish & ViP722.
I've noticed several times that I cannot switch to another DishNet channel while watching a single recording in process.
Tonight I'm watching recorded playback of American Idol (KTVU/Fox in SF) -- I'm viewing Idol 20 minutes after Idol has started. I pause Idol, go to program guide mode, select MSNBC (want to watch political primary updates) and messages says I will need to stop recording Idol in order to watch MSNBC. There is no other program being recorded. I thought the ViP722 would allow one recording function and a second live or recording function.

Can anyone give me a fix for this issue?

Joe Las Vegas
03-05-2008, 01:23 AM
There is a button on the box to switch to dual mode, but you lose PIP, I think, I'm not sure, I just got my 722 last week, but that's how it was with my old box.
And if you have 2 tv's, it will show which tv it's recording on, at that point if you wanna watch a live show on the tv that's recording you'll have to cancel, but you can press record (red button on remote) after cancelling and you can choose what tv to record it on.

adamwilkes20
03-05-2008, 01:38 AM
Ok, if you are using the 722 for one TV only then you just need to switch your DVR to single mode and you will be able to watch live TV while recording on another channel. There should be a button on the front panel that says MODE...press it til the lights on the front panel only display single...if you plan on using the TV2 output and have it hooked up to another TV in another room, then you can go in to the menu and select preferences...there will be a tab there called RECORD PLUS(if that is what it is called on the 722...put it on TV2...this will allocate all you recordings to the TV2 tuner....but the person in the TV2 location will have to either have to watch what you are recording or watch a DVR event previously recorded.

If you are using an OTA antenna, you do know that you can record 3 things at once right? One on TV1, one on TV2, and one from the OTA

gwhoughton
03-05-2008, 08:29 AM
New here to Dish & ViP722.
I thought the ViP722 would allow one recording function and a second live or recording function. Can anyone give me a fix for this issue?

Let everyone know what your setup is... How many TV's, if they are or aren't HD, how many and what kind of receivers/DVR's. We know you have at least one 722 DVR, but telling us how many sets it is hooked up to will clue everyone in as to how they may have set you up initially... :2cents

jim5506
03-05-2008, 01:23 PM
It sounds like he is watching an OTA channel slightly delayed but still recording, and is trying to switch to another OTA channel - NO CAN DO there is only one OTA tuner. You should be able to use the menu to switch to any satellite channel, but not to an OTA channel.

rustamust
03-05-2008, 03:27 PM
Is MSNBC OTA now??

remingtoniron
03-05-2008, 09:41 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I have created a signature that illustrates my setup.... A 2nd TV is in the kitchen. I'm using that TV to primarily watch recordings off the Vip722 in my living room.

I don't use PIP. Regarding me trying to watch an OTA channel in my original post.... I was trying to switch to a sat feed from MSNBC while watching KTVU local FOX off the Sat while American Idol was still recording.

I'll need to experiment with the suggestions about the front panel modes.

MaxCDCR
04-17-2008, 02:23 PM
Im having a bit of trouble with my 722. I have 1 HD TV (panasonic CRT) and 1 SD in another room (Sony) I cant seem to record one show and be able to view something else. Of course, I would prefer to view anything on any channel on any TV, and still be able to record, but this is the order of priority:

1. HD, this TV wins no matter what. I would like to see anything while still being able to record. and vice versa, record anything and be able to change the channel without interrupting recording.

2. SD, this TV can be on hold, it can wait.

Im having trouble understanding the users manual, please provide your feedback! thanks!!!

garys
04-17-2008, 02:33 PM
Im having a bit of trouble with my 722. I have 1 HD TV (panasonic CRT) and 1 SD in another room (Sony) I cant seem to record one show and be able to view something else. Of course, I would prefer to view anything on any channel on any TV, and still be able to record, but this is the order of priority:

1. HD, this TV wins no matter what. I would like to see anything while still being able to record. and vice versa, record anything and be able to change the channel without interrupting recording.

2. SD, this TV can be on hold, it can wait.

Im having trouble understanding the users manual, please provide your feedback! thanks!!!

Easiest way is to put receiver in single user mode (second tv watches same thing as first), or if you can add OTA (which goes to tv1 when in dual user mode), tv2 can be on it's own, tv1 can record from either sat or ota while watch live from the unrecording source.

You may want to get a second receiver for second tv and use 722 for tv1 only. You should also check: Menu, Preferences, Record Plus and see if you system enabled when in dual user mode.

MaxCDCR
04-17-2008, 09:29 PM
I have my old 501 in a box I can use for the 2nd TV. I would have to see if this option works best, in the meantime, I will put the 722 in single mode and watch TV1 this way. And I do have OTA, I purchased an antenna to avoid the local channel charges. Its too bad DISH wont display the channels, it only says Digital Service for channels 2 thru 63 (local LA channels) thanks again, and if you have more suggestions, please let me know!

garys
04-18-2008, 06:12 AM
I have my old 501 in a box I can use for the 2nd TV. I would have to see if this option works best, in the meantime, I will put the 722 in single mode and watch TV1 this way. And I do have OTA, I purchased an antenna to avoid the local channel charges. Its too bad DISH wont display the channels, it only says Digital Service for channels 2 thru 63 (local LA channels) thanks again, and if you have more suggestions, please let me know!

If you subscribe to the locals, you will get guide info for your ota and maybe some channels you can't pick up via the antenna.

fredinva
04-18-2008, 06:36 AM
Easiest way is to put receiver in single user mode (second tv watches same thing as first), or if you can add OTA (which goes to tv1 when in dual user mode), tv2 can be on it's own, tv1 can record from either sat or ota while watch live from the unrecording source.

You may want to get a second receiver for second tv and use 722 for tv1 only. You should also check: Menu, Preferences, Record Plus and see if you system enabled when in dual user mode.

Why does he need to set up in single mode. He can use dual mode and set every recording to TV2. ("tv2 can be on hold, it can wait").

Now he can change channels and also record OTA.
fred

Hokoo
04-18-2008, 06:41 AM
*****You may want to get a second receiver for second tv and use 722 for tv1 only. You should also check: Menu, Preferences, Record Plus and see if you system enabled when in dual user mode.****

this above poster is correct, I ran into the same issue and the best fix is to get a generic free reciver, which would cost you $5 lease fee, but well worth it in long run...

now on my single 622 plasma, I can record 2 SD channels and watch 3rd HD OTA channel with no problem...Or any channel in the correct format of 1 HD and 2 SD shows

be patient, these recivers are the best in market and take a few to learn the ins and outs

garys
04-18-2008, 07:35 AM
Why does he need to set up in single mode. He can use dual mode and set every recording to TV2. ("tv2 can be on hold, it can wait").

Now he can change channels and also record OTA.
fred

If you reread the replys, OP is new to the receiver so options were given depending what he decides to do. Whether he may want to see about ota (which he does not have yet) or an additional receiver, or both since his original problem was recording two programs while trying to watch a third live program. He may want to set the receiver in single user mode or he may not. Not everyone uses the receivers in the same way.

fredinva
04-18-2008, 04:37 PM
*****You may want to get a second receiver for second tv and use 722 for tv1 only. You should also check: Menu, Preferences, Record Plus and see if you system enabled when in dual user mode.****

this above poster is correct, I ran into the same issue and the best fix is to get a generic free reciver, which would cost you $5 lease fee, but well worth it in long run...

now on my single 622 plasma, I can record 2 SD channels and watch 3rd HD OTA channel with no problem...Or any channel in the correct format of 1 HD and 2 SD shows


true, but more = on your 622 you can record 3 hd channels at one time.
and watch a different HD program already recorded.

fred

fredinva
04-18-2008, 04:45 PM
If you reread the replys, OP is new to the receiver so options were given depending what he decides to do. Whether he may want to see about ota (which he does not have yet) or an additional receiver, or both since his original problem was recording two programs while trying to watch a third live program. He may want to set the receiver in single user mode or he may not. Not everyone uses the receivers in the same way.

OTA: Roof antenna San Francisco TV in his signature

garys
04-18-2008, 05:22 PM
OTA: Roof antenna San Francisco TV in his signature

My mistake, I meant my post was in answer to post #8, not OP. Sorry for the confusion.

n0rvx
04-19-2008, 01:36 PM
New here to Dish & ViP722.
I've noticed several times that I cannot switch to another DishNet channel while watching a single recording in process.
Tonight I'm watching recorded playback of American Idol (KTVU/Fox in SF) -- I'm viewing Idol 20 minutes after Idol has started. I pause Idol, go to program guide mode, select MSNBC (want to watch political primary updates) and messages says I will need to stop recording Idol in order to watch MSNBC. There is no other program being recorded. I thought the ViP722 would allow one recording function and a second live or recording function.

Can anyone give me a fix for this issue?

There is no fix except another receiver or using the second tuner on another tv. This is what the TIVO lawsuit was about. Therefore Dish has disabled being able to watch another channel while recording one channel.

Ron

MaxCDCR
04-22-2008, 01:20 PM
WOW, I guess there is still that thing: no 1 answer! I was watching IDOL live and a recording was coming on, the 722 automatically changed the channel and we began to watch the live recording. So in order to watch live tv and a recording comes on, I should be able to remain in live tv, correct? In order to watch and record a separate channel, I need to be in Single mode with Record Plus default to 2nd tv, correct?

Loves2Watch
04-22-2008, 01:56 PM
Let's see if this clarifies things a bit for you. The 722/622 has 3 tuners, 1 for OTA and 2 for sat. With that being said, you can only do one thing at a time on OTA while you can do 2 different things with sat. channels for a combination of 3 things. So if you are watching and recording OTA, it will have to be on the same channel, if on sat you could watch another while recording. That's in single mode. If you are in dual mode, the second TV always removes one of the sat options.


Did that help?

MaxCDCR
04-24-2008, 11:04 PM
Yes, I guess I need to play around with my new 722 to really understand what you just said, it makes sense, 3 tuners with the flexibility on 2 and 3 but not OTA.

n0rvx
04-27-2008, 12:15 PM
WOW, I guess there is still that thing: no 1 answer! I was watching IDOL live and a recording was coming on, the 722 automatically changed the channel and we began to watch the live recording. So in order to watch live tv and a recording comes on, I should be able to remain in live tv, correct? In order to watch and record a separate channel, I need to be in Single mode with Record Plus default to 2nd tv, correct?

I can watch one prog and record another as you stated but I am in dual mode.

Ron

MaxCDCR
04-28-2008, 12:02 PM
OK, until I figure out the "theory" of this 722 Player, can you provide detailed explanation for me? I ran into more trouble this weekend trying to make tweaks and modifications. In the beginning of the week, usually Sundays or Mondays, I go thru every channel and set up to record movies/shows for the entire week. I would like to be able to watch TV (any channel OTA and satellite) and not be interrupted by my scheduled recordings that I set up earlier in the week. Please advise, thank you!

Viggen61
04-30-2008, 06:25 AM
OK, until I figure out the "theory" of this 722 Player, can you provide detailed explanation for me? I ran into more trouble this weekend trying to make tweaks and modifications. In the beginning of the week, usually Sundays or Mondays, I go thru every channel and set up to record movies/shows for the entire week. I would like to be able to watch TV (any channel OTA and satellite) and not be interrupted by my scheduled recordings that I set up earlier in the week. Please advise, thank you!

Ok, I'll give it a whirl. I'm presuming the major differences between the 722 & 622 (which I have) are the hard drive space and the color of the box, and that the tuner operation is the same. If I'm wrong, I hope someone will correct me.

Forgetting about single- and dual-modes for the moment, you have the following:

Two satellite tuners
One OTA tuner

That's a total of three tuners. With that, you can do one of the following:

1) watch OTA live, and record two satellite signals
2) watch one Satellite and record OTA and a different Satellite signal
3) Record any two signals, and watch a pre-recorded program from your DVR menu.

Far as I know, you are limited to recording two things at the same time, no matter how many you select or from what sources. There is a priority that you can set on each recording so that if there is a conflict, the machine will make the decision.

Dual mode complicates things a bit, because in it's simplest incarnation, you are essentially "splitting" the 722/622 into two devices, with one tuner dedicated to TV1 (plus OTA), and the other to TV2. There are options here, which I don't fully understand, because I work exclusively in Single Mode, so I get all three tuners to my one HDTV.

But in any case, you can't tune to more than two satellite signals at any one time. So, if you are in single mode, watching Sat channel "A", and wanting to record Sat channels "B" and "C", you will lose channel "A", unless you want to dump the recording of "B" or "C".

In Dual mode, if TV1 is set to record on TV1, you're limited to one satellite channel to watch AND record on TV1, plus the OTA tuner. You can set it to record to TV2, but then TV2 will switch over to the recording channel.

I hope this helps a bit. Take the time and really read the manual. It does help!

MaxCDCR
04-30-2008, 09:54 AM
Viggen, thanks for breaking things down for me, and yes, I read the manual but now I am getting a better understanding of my 722. I think I will switch over to dual mode, record everything on TV2 and TV1 can watch whatever, whenever. TV2 will be the "step child" in the sense that if something starts recording, TV2 will have to see that recorded event or watch whatever has been previously recorded. Does it matter if the recorded events were set up in single mode? I do want to switch to dual mode.

jim5506
04-30-2008, 12:44 PM
Actually you can record three HD shows at the same time (TV1, TV2 and OTA) and at the same time Output1 and output2 can watch separate shows. Thats 5 streams at the same time on one box.

You are limited in what you can view live, in that if both Sat tuners are recording, you cannot watch another sat channel and if the OTA tuner is recording, you cannot watch another OTA show, unless you bypass the unit and use the OTA tuner on your TV.

Viggen61
05-04-2008, 01:16 PM
Actually you can record three HD shows at the same time (TV1, TV2 and OTA) and at the same time Output1 and output2 can watch separate shows. Thats 5 streams at the same time on one box.

I stand corrected, then! I tried it today. Interesting that I never noticed the antenna icon in the DVR menu for the OTA channel being recorded. Recorded OTA, an HD Sat, and an SD Sat channel, and watched an HD recording...

And when I tried to tune to a Sat channel I wasn't watching, I got the message telling me that that would cancel the recording...

You are limited in what you can view live, in that if both Sat tuners are recording, you cannot watch another sat channel and if the OTA tuner is recording, you cannot watch another OTA show, unless you bypass the unit and use the OTA tuner on your TV.

Exactly what I was trying to convey. There are a limited number of tuners, and of they're occupied recording, they can't be used to watch something else...

ms123d
01-21-2009, 09:32 PM
Hi

So I want to re-ask the question... the explanations seem kind of vague and I apologize if this is a repeat... but:

I have two TVs, with one vip722 box hooked up to the HDTV... if both TV's are being watched (live TV), is it impossible to record another channel?

right now it is on Dual Mode with RecordPlus activated... it seems to be that you can only record two max shows and watch a PRE-recorded show...

PLEASE HELP! this seems like a huge handicap for DishNetwork....

Loves2Watch
01-22-2009, 08:00 AM
Hi

So I want to re-ask the question... the explanations seem kind of vague and I apologize if this is a repeat... but:

I have two TVs, with one vip722 box hooked up to the HDTV... if both TV's are being watched (live TV), is it impossible to record another channel? Yes, unless you would try and record a channel coming from an antenna (OTA) and that would only work if no one was watching a OTA channel.

right now it is on Dual Mode with RecordPlus activated... it seems to be that you can only record two max shows and watch a PRE-recorded show... Correct unless you have an antenna hooked up for OTA channels.

PLEASE HELP! this seems like a huge handicap for DishNetwork....
What many do is use a second receiver for the secondary TV as it frees up a tuner in the 722 which gives you more watching/recording flexibility.

ms123d
01-22-2009, 02:49 PM
Yes, unless you would try and record a channel coming from an antenna (OTA) and that would only work if no one was watching a OTA channel.

Correct unless you have an antenna hooked up for OTA channels.


What many do is use a second receiver for the secondary TV as it frees up a tuner in the 722 which gives you more watching/recording flexibility.


I had another question... here's a hypothetical situation:

(1) Show1 begins at 730PM (I will begin recording on TV1)
(2) Show2 begins at 800PM

then, can I start watching Show1 at 8PM and begin to record Show2 on the same TV?

i think this is really annoying that you can't watch live TV while recording something else on one TV

Loves2Watch
01-22-2009, 02:59 PM
I had another question... here's a hypothetical situation:

(1) Show1 begins at 730PM (I will begin recording on TV1)
(2) Show2 begins at 800PM

then, can I start watching Show1 at 8PM and begin to record Show2 on the same TV?

i think this is really annoying that you can't watch live TV while recording something else on one TV

Yes you could watch the recording of Show1 at 8:00.

As I stated earlier many people get another receiver for the second TV which frees up one of the tuners for the main set.

ms123d
01-22-2009, 03:44 PM
Yes you could watch the recording of Show1 at 8:00.

As I stated earlier many people get another receiver for the second TV which frees up one of the tuners for the main set.

How much does DishNetwork charge to use another receiver? $5/mo?

Loves2Watch
01-22-2009, 03:50 PM
How much does DishNetwork charge to use another receiver? $5/mo?

I believe it is 5 or 6 dollars but well worth it to me.

jim5506
01-25-2009, 04:57 PM
That is why many use their 622/722 on one TV in single mode.

You have all the flexability without the burden of the other TV blocking what you want to do.

Loves2Watch
01-25-2009, 06:40 PM
That is why many use their 622/722 on one TV in single mode.

You have all the flexability without the burden of the other TV blocking what you want to do.

That's it in a nutshell and why I currently have two 622's and one 722 on independent TV's in single mode.

RoadiJeff
01-31-2009, 09:44 PM
Ii think this is really annoying that you can't watch live TV while recording something else on one TV

But you can IF you have whatever is being recorded going to TV2.

Here's my setup: I have a ViP722 in one room, which is connected to my main TV via HDMI. I have the ViP722 set to dual mode. If I want to watch two different shows that are on at the same time I will record one show to TV2 and watch the other live. I can still watch the recorded TV2 show later on the same TV.

Having said that, the record feature does not always give me the option of whether I want to record to TV1 or TV2, even if there's nothing already being recorded on either one. It will just record to TV1. I've emailed Dish Network CS and asked them about this and to please make it an option on future application software updates.

I have the SD coax feed going out to another TV in a different part of the house so I cannot put the ViP722 in single mode without running into conflicts. I did this once and my wife suddenly yelled from the other room that I was changing her channels from what she was watching. Hey, that could be fun. :lol:

I also have a ViP211k connected to the 2nd TV that I just converted over to a DVR with an external 750GB HDD. I did it mainly for the HD signal instead of the SD that I was getting from the ViP722 but the added recording options are nice to have.

If anyone knows how to specify whether to record to TV1 or TV2 whenever I want to record something on the ViP722 without being in single mode I'm all ears. As I said, it gives me this option most of the time, just not all of the time.