High Def Forum
Thank you for visiting. This is our website archive. Please visit our main website by clicking the logo above.

OTA antenna?

Culpy67
03-03-2008, 04:09 PM
Hi all, I don't want to seem like I am dumb but for an OTA antenna either indoor or outdoor one, how do you hook it up so you get HD with it? Do you hook that cable into the rec.? I have a 622 and am just wondering.

One other thing there is a person in our area that has a dish and has some kind of what looks like wire chicken fence about 1'x1' attached to the back of his dish, does anybody know is this an OTA antenna? Thanks for all your help.

Jim

Bigloww
03-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Hi all, I don't want to seem like I am dumb but for an OTA antenna either indoor or outdoor one, how do you hook it up so you get HD with it? Do you hook that cable into the rec.? I have a 622 and am just wondering.

One other thing there is a person in our area that has a dish and has some kind of what looks like wire chicken fence about 1'x1' attached to the back of his dish, does anybody know is this an OTA antenna? Thanks for all your help.

Jim

You can hook it up to the VIP 622 ATSC tuner or directly to your TV's ATSC tuner (if it has 1). Simple coax RG6 or 59 between the antenna to the tuner is all you need. How far away from the transmitter are you? What is your zip???

Mickey
03-03-2008, 06:49 PM
Nothing special about an ant for receiving HD broadcasts. Most digital broadcasts are via UHF band so all you need is an ant that picks up the UHF band. The "chicken wire" item you've mentioned is most likely a UHF only ant.

Culpy67
03-04-2008, 04:40 PM
[B]I live in Hanover PA zip is 17331, the reason I am intersted in possibly doing the OTA is that I heard a lady on the news here had gotten a new tv and even with her old antenna she was getting digial signals from as far away as Delaware so I am guessing that the digital signal is stronger then analog?

adamwilkes20
03-05-2008, 02:06 AM
looks as though your ZIP is about 43 miles from the farthest transmitter...the towers are everywhere from 23-43 miles away..are you located between any large buildings...? Antenna Web is suggesting anything from Small Directional for a few stations to a large directional antenna for your zip.....antennaweb suggested the samething for me, but on a hunch I went down to WalMart and bought a Philips MANT410 set top antenna with the 46db AMP...it works great for me...I am 32 miles out from my transmitters and I get 18 digitals and get signal strength from 78-95 across all the channels...depending on the buildings around you, you might want to try one of those...if it doesnt work...just take it back...it is only like $28.00

gwhoughton
03-05-2008, 08:34 AM
for an OTA antenna either indoor or outdoor one, how do you hook it up so you get HD with it? Do you hook that cable into the rec.? I have a 622 and am just wondering.

One other thing there is a person in our area that has a dish and has some kind of what looks like wire chicken fence about 1'x1' attached to the back of his dish, does anybody know is this an OTA antenna? Thanks for all your help.

Jim

As the other poster replied, you can hook up an antenna either way if your TV has the tuner built in, but if you hook it up through the DVR, you can go into setup and have the DVR scan for local channels and they will be added to your guide. You just won't have program guide information...

adamwilkes20
03-05-2008, 09:53 AM
As the other poster replied, you can hook up an antenna either way if your TV has the tuner built in, but if you hook it up through the DVR, you can go into setup and have the DVR scan for local channels and they will be added to your guide. You just won't have program guide information...

If you subscribe to your local SD locals you WILL have program guide info....you will only lose program guide info if you donot subscribe to SD locals through Dish or go straight through the TV and not use the 622 as a a pass through

Joe Las Vegas
03-06-2008, 03:31 AM
Check this out, I e-mailed DN regarding when they would have Local channels in HD in Las Vegas and they said: "we do not know when or if it will ever happen"
Isn't that special!?!?:mad:

Anyway, my question is about OTA, I have 2 tv's, if I connect a OTA antenna to my 722, I know my main tv will be hd, but will the second tv be hd also? (just for local channels, I know the other dish channels won't be)
Or, will have have to get a second antenna for my second tv and run it thru the tv tuner?
I need to know so that way I'll buy 2 antennas if I need to.

I'm calling them soon to ask again about hd locals in vegas, and if they don't know, I'll cancel my local channels thru them, it's pure BS that they charge me $6/month for SD channels that I can get in HD for free, who do they think they are? don't they know they're supposed to provide a service instead of charging a fee for something worse that it would be for free OTA?

I found this antenna for the dish (single LNB): http://www.summitsource.com/omni-directional-antenna-ez-dish-tv-satellite-amplified-outdoor-addon-vhf-uhf-digital-offair-local-hdtv-signal-multidirectional-aerial-with-builtin-diplexer-for-single-lnb-systems-part-ezd100-p-4677.html

and this one (dual LNB): http://www.summitsource.com/omni-directional-tv-antenna-amplified-outdoor-ez-dish-hdtv-satellite-addon-vhf-uhf-offair-digital-local-signal-multidirectional-aerial-with-2-builtin-diplexers-for-dual-lnb-systems-part-ezd222-p-4678.html

what's that diplexer thing? what's a single or dual LNB system?

fredinva
03-06-2008, 06:36 AM
Joe,
One antenna will do ya!!!
Just split the antenna signal coming in to the 722 and run it through the coax modulated signal going to tv2.
I remember when we were happy to pay for the locals when Dish first offered them. If you cancel the locals the guide info won't map down for your OTA digital and it will be more difficult to DVR OTA..
fred

Joe Las Vegas
03-06-2008, 07:46 AM
Joe,
One antenna will do ya!!!
Just split the antenna signal coming in to the 722 and run it through the coax modulated signal going to tv2.


I'm not sure what you mean, I thought there was only one place to put the cable for the OTA antenna on the 722, is there 2 inputs or just one?
By splitting the signal you mean get a splitter so that I get 2 wires from one antenna going into the 722, if so, there must be 2 imputs for OTA , one for tv1 and the other for tv2, right?
I'll check the manual later to see the back of the 722.

No guide, I don't care, I only record Jay, Conan, Terminator and Smallville, all HD, I'll just create manual timers, which I've done before, and since Dish can't seem to get things moving, I'm getting the antenna.

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 08:30 PM
Get a splitter when you buy your antenna. Go out from the antenna to the splitter. Go from the splitter to each tv or to whatever HD tuner you have (you mentiond a 622). You will have two cables coming out from the splitter.

Joe Las Vegas
03-08-2008, 01:17 AM
I installed a hdtv antenna and it works great with the 722, but I cannot split it to go to TV2, because the coaxial for TV2 is used by the cable that comes from the 722 box.
And the .1 channels that are ota HD can only play and record on tv1.

fredinva
03-08-2008, 08:02 AM
I installed a hdtv antenna and it works great with the 722, but I cannot split it to go to TV2, because the coaxial for TV2 is used by the cable that comes from the 722 box.
And the .1 channels that are ota HD can only play and record on tv1.

Sure you can!!!!
Your coax tv1 to tv2 is set for modulated ch 60(default, or whatever)
(but try air 22, you may get a cleaner pic).
Send the split ota antenna signal along with your modulated signal.

Ch 60 - watch all the Dish satelite channels.
In tv mode on tv2 - down channel to ota
VOILA!!!! ota digital/HD on tv2

fred

Lauriej
03-10-2008, 12:34 PM
I have a question. We have Dish HD DVR with our LCD. I want the locals in HD, can I use just a small antenna somehow to pick them up clearer? If so, please explain how to do so. (Easy please :-) Thanks so much!!

Joe Las Vegas
03-10-2008, 01:44 PM
I bought this one, it's only for HDTV, indoor/outdoor, it's amplified and it looks good and does the job well: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5000836

adamwilkes20
03-10-2008, 07:39 PM
I bought this one, it's only for HDTV, indoor/outdoor, it's amplified and it looks good and does the job well: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5000836


There is no such thing as an only HDTV antenna....there is UHF and VHF all of them are capable of picking up digital and analog signals

Joe Las Vegas
03-10-2008, 11:31 PM
There is no such thing as an only HDTV antenna....there is UHF and VHF all of them are capable of picking up digital and analog signals

Not in this case, there is one analog channel here (ch 25) that I get with a portable tv I have, which I don't get with the HDTV antenna, so perhaps it only picks up digital OTA channels.

adamwilkes20
03-11-2008, 03:27 AM
that might just be a result of analog signal strength versus digital signal strength, or the analog signal from some of the stations is on the VHF side, since your antenna in UHF only.not it any case is there an HDTV only antenna...that is a marketing thing

Joe Las Vegas
03-11-2008, 05:54 AM
I don't know but it looks like it only scans .1 channels, because when I scanned the channels I did not get Ch 25 and 39 and when I checked what OTA channels they have in Las Vegas via Yahoo TV guide, they show ch 3,3.1 / 5,5.1 / 8,8.1 / 10,10.1 / 13,13.1 / 21, 21.1 / 25 (NO 25.1) / 33,33.1 / 39 (NO 39.1), but ch 25 and 39 are not in digital like 25.1 and 39.1 and those are the 2 channels I don't get with the HDTV antenna, so that points to prove it is a digital antenna only capable of getting .1 channels.

These are my findings, go to walmart or target and check out the antenna for yourself, buy it, try it, and return it after you test it.

jpfrasier
03-11-2008, 06:01 AM
I don't know but it looks like it only scans .1 channels, because when I scanned the channels I did not get Ch 25 and 39 and when I checked what OTA channels they have in Las Vegas via Yahoo TV guide, they show ch 3,3.1 / 5,5.1 / 8,8.1 / 10,10.1 / 13,13.1 / 21, 21.1 / 25 (NO 25.1) / 33,33.1 / 39 (NO 39.1), but ch 25 and 39 are not in digital like 25.1 and 39.1 and those are the 2 channels I don't get with the HDTV antenna, so that points to prove it is a digital antenna only capable of getting .1 channels.

These are my findings, go to walmart or target and check out the antenna for yourself, buy it, try it, and return it after you test it.

The OTA tuner on your Dish receiver will only detect digital channels not analog. If you want to receive analog signals as well it doesn't matter what antenna you have the Dish receiver will not do it. Try plugging into your TV directly and scanning if you want analog as well.

Lauriej
03-11-2008, 04:05 PM
Thanks!! I might just to have to try that. :)

fredinva
03-11-2008, 09:31 PM
The OTA tuner on your Dish receiver will only detect digital channels not analog. If you want to receive analog signals as well it doesn't matter what antenna you have the Dish receiver will not do it. Try plugging into your TV directly and scanning if you want analog as well.

I AGREE!!!!!!!
HDTV/Digital Antenna is only a marketing name placed on vhf/uhf antenna boxes that have been around for years.
ALL TV antennas are either VHF, UHF, or VHF/UHF combos.
Most digital and hdtv broadcasts are now on UHF.
A 30 yr old antenna will usually work!!!!!!!!!

and, if you get an analog channel and the digital counterpart, you won't want to watch the analog anyway.

fred

Joe Las Vegas
03-12-2008, 12:53 AM
The OTA tuner on your Dish receiver will only detect digital channels not analog. If you want to receive analog signals as well it doesn't matter what antenna you have the Dish receiver will not do it. Try plugging into your TV directly and scanning if you want analog as well.

Damn! that sucks! I thought I would get Ch 25 too with the antenna connected to the box.
Always learning something, mostly that DN is far from perfect:rolleyes:
When they say scan for local channels, even in the manual they don't mention that you won't get analog channels.
Anyway, ch 25 is not that important to me.
And the antenna I have is really nice, looks good, I get all the channels perfectly clear and it's weatherproof, and it's what I needed since I put it outside to receive a better signal, I tried inside, but ch 3.1 was breaking up, so I put it on the roof and it increased the signal by 10%.
BTW, pic is great even on non hd, and sound is MUCH better, now it's stereo and it sounds great. Just the sound improvement makes it worth it.

adamwilkes20
03-12-2008, 04:41 AM
if you think it sounds great in stereo, get a 5.1 with digital audio input and run that 622 to it...you will be amazed....stereo aint crap compared to digital!!

highdefjeff
03-22-2008, 11:43 AM
Damn! that sucks! I thought I would get Ch 25 too with the antenna connected to the box.
Always learning something, mostly that DN is far from perfect:rolleyes:
When they say scan for local channels, even in the manual they don't mention that you won't get analog channels.
Anyway, ch 25 is not that important to me.
And the antenna I have is really nice, looks good, I get all the channels perfectly clear and it's weatherproof, and it's what I needed since I put it outside to receive a better signal, I tried inside, but ch 3.1 was breaking up, so I put it on the roof and it increased the signal by 10%.
BTW, pic is great even on non hd, and sound is MUCH better, now it's stereo and it sounds great. Just the sound improvement makes it worth it.

If you split the signal and/or connect the antenna directly to your TV and then scan for ANALOG channels, you should get the two you are looking for. You will need to switch tuners (TV mode) in your TV to watch them and switch back to the digital tuner (DTV mode) for the rest.

fhoegler
03-23-2008, 03:13 PM
I AGREE!!!!!!!
HDTV/Digital Antenna is only a marketing name placed on vhf/uhf antenna boxes that have been around for years.
ALL TV antennas are either VHF, UHF, or VHF/UHF combos.
Most digital and hdtv broadcasts are now on UHF.
A 30 yr old antenna will usually work!!!!!!!!!

and, if you get an analog channel and the digital counterpart, you won't want to watch the analog anyway.

fred

After the switch to all digital in feb 2009, Ibelieve all stations are going to go back to what they broadcast on analog either UHF or VHF so if you have stations that broadcast on UHF and stations that broadcast on VHF you will need an antenna that is both UHF and VHF.

jim5506
03-23-2008, 03:38 PM
After the switch to all digital in feb 2009, Ibelieve all stations are going to go back to what they broadcast on analog either UHF or VHF so if you have stations that broadcast on UHF and stations that broadcast on VHF you will need an antenna that is both UHF and VHF.

Not precisely correct.

Some stations are going back to their original station frequency, but many others are staying with their temporary channel allottment, and a few are moving to a totally different channel.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-138A2.pdf

18 is # 1
03-27-2008, 05:27 PM
Not precisely correct.

Some stations are going back to their original station frequency, but many others are staying with their temporary channel allottment, and a few are moving to a totally different channel.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-138A2.pdf

The Dallas ABC affiliate is still VHF and others have plans to return.

highdefjeff
03-29-2008, 01:13 PM
[B]I live in Hanover PA zip is 17331, the reason I am intersted in possibly doing the OTA is that I heard a lady on the news here had gotten a new tv and even with her old antenna she was getting digial signals from as far away as Delaware so I am guessing that the digital signal is stronger then analog?

Not necessarily stronger - but many antennas will pick up a skip or bounce off the troposphere and allow you (depending on antenna and location) to pick up some distant stations.