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Suggest me TV's to look at?

Malice187
02-26-2008, 10:48 PM
I've been looking to upgrade to HD for quite a while. Now that my old 28" tube TV has finally given out on me, I finally have my incentive to go on the hunt.

I've been researching HDTV's off and on for about 2 years now. I find that mulling over every little aspect and feature has gotten me no where when looking to buy one.

I ultimately wind up frustrated and TV-less when I get home from the local B&M. All this disappointment has led to me trying a new method; asking for help...

If it's alright with you folks, I'm going to list a couple of things I'm looking for in an HDTV, plus my budget, and I'd like you peeps to recommend me HDTV models to look at. Not necessarily buy, just look at.

I'll make the decision on which to ultimately buy myself after I've heavily researched each TV you list. So without further ado, here is what I am looking for in an HDTV.

- 50"-60" display
- 120hz
- 1080p NATIVE
- My budget is $3,000. Feel free to list any TV's that are inside that price. You could even go $300-$400 above $3,000 as I'm sure I could find a deal or price drop down the road. I would RATHER you list TV's under 3k, but if you MUST list a pricier one, feel free. I wouldn't have any problems with listing TV's in the sub-$2,000's as well. ;)

I don't care if it's Plasma, Rear Projection, LCD, whatever. I'll factor everything in when I decide to pull the trigger and buy one of the TV's.

So please, list any and all HDTV's that are within my guidelines. I would really appreciate the help as I need a TV soon.

When I get a good size list I'll head out to my local stores and check each TV out one by one until I finally decide which to get. I'll let you guys know which one I ultimately choose.

I really appreciate you folks help in advance. This forum looks great. I'm gonna be sticking around.

sbjunky
02-26-2008, 11:36 PM
I'm in a similar situation, looking at 40-46 sizes. I was looking at the tosh regza cinema series LX177 series, then I found out that the new versions of all Toshiba's is comming out Feb/March. If you can wait I think you can find something in your size and below your max $$$. I'm picking up the 40 or 42 when it comes out, and the same day I'll be calibrating with DVE and after that I'll be writing a review in the forum. If interested I'll drop a line and tell you what I think.

Malice187
02-26-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm interested indeed, sbjunky. Drop me a line when you get the TV and calibrate it if you want.

m_vanmeter
02-27-2008, 07:54 AM
We have 3 Vizio HDTV's in the family, two 32" and one 60" plasma, and all have performed extremely well. I have no problem recommending you take a look at the following
http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=36

Rick-F
02-27-2008, 08:07 AM
I'd go for a 50" Panasonic or Pioneer plasma myself -- but as the previous poster indicated, in this price range you can go to 60" in the Vizio line (while not in the same class a Panny or Pio-- they certainly are not bad either-- and a good value).

I do not own a Vizio plasma, but I do have an LCD and have been quite pleased with it (I still like my plasma better).

Loves2Watch
02-27-2008, 08:47 AM
For your budget I believe the Panasonic plasma to be the best value for dollar spent and the HD picture is Amazing. It does pretty good with SD as well, at least better than my new, expensive LCD TV's.

sbjunky
02-27-2008, 03:41 PM
I've only been a member of this forum for a few months, but in that time I've read so many posts that my eyes feel like there going to bleed, and Loves2watch really seems to know what he's talking about, so make sure you you give what he says good attention.

sbjunky
02-27-2008, 03:43 PM
For your budget I believe the Panasonic plasma to be the best value for dollar spent and the HD picture is Amazing. It does pretty good with SD as well, at least better than my new, expensive LCD TV's.

What Lcd's did you get, and how bad is SD on them. (don't want to make a $2,000 mistake):o

Malice187
02-27-2008, 04:09 PM
Alright, thanks for the help so far people. I would love some more suggestions!

I was also wondering what you guys' thoughts are on the Sony KDS-xxA3000?

Loves2Watch
02-27-2008, 06:36 PM
What Lcd's did you get, and how bad is SD on them. (don't want to make a $2,000 mistake):o

First, I didn't say the SD was bad, just not as good as my Panasonic plasma. I have friends that have other brands of plasma TV's that don't do as good on SD as the Panasonic.

As for the LCD, I have Toshiba Regza's which I believe to be the best LCD on the market. They have super PQ on HD and satisfactory PQ on SD but the Panasonic is a bit better but it is a plasma.

But none of then can resolve SD as well as my HD CRT projection TV, but that's another story and they are not available anymore.

From what I understand Sony does make some nice TV's but I won't consider them for personal reasons and I believe the brands I mentioned to be as good if not better.

So either the Panasonic plasma or the Toshiba Regza would be a great choice.

Malice187
02-27-2008, 07:41 PM
Guys, I'm seriously looking into the Samsung LNT5265F.... It's under 2k which is great for me, right in the middle of 50"-60" display, and it looks really nice.

One concern is that It isn't 120hz so I don't know if it'll be good for gaming(which I plan to do a lot of). I have a 360, and a PS3. So I'll be gaming and watching hi-def Blu-ray movies.

Do you think the Samsung can do all those things well? How is it in displaying SD programs?

Also, I need a TV stand before I can even get a TV so do you guys know where I can get good prices on stands that will hold 50"-60" TV's?

sbjunky
02-27-2008, 09:51 PM
Guys, I'm seriously looking into the Samsung LNT5265F.... It's under 2k which is great for me, right in the middle of 50"-60" display, and it looks really nice.

One concern is that It isn't 120hz so I don't know if it'll be good for gaming(which I plan to do a lot of). I have a 360, and a PS3. So I'll be gaming and watching hi-def Blu-ray movies.

Do you think the Samsung can do all those things well? How is it in displaying SD programs?

Also, I need a TV stand before I can even get a TV so do you guys know where I can get good prices on stands that will hold 50"-60" TV's?

I'm going to be doing some massive gaming:gamer , from everything I've read, and from people who have 120hz they say "you will greatly appreciate 120hz for gaming, not to mention other fast motion on tv (sports,action). BUT....thats a nice price. you have to ask yourself "what will I appreciate more, 120hz or cheaper price? Trust me I've run into this road block many times, and It really comes down to what you want and what you will be happy with.:2cents

Malice187
02-27-2008, 10:36 PM
I'm going to be doing some massive gaming:gamer , from everything I've read, and from people who have 120hz they say "you will greatly appreciate 120hz for gaming, not to mention other fast motion on tv (sports,action). BUT....thats a nice price. you have to ask yourself "what will I appreciate more, 120hz or cheaper price? Trust me I've run into this road block many times, and It really comes down to what you want and what you will be happy with.:2centsThanks for the reply!

Now I'm starting to look heavily into the Sony KDS-60A3000. I hear it's great for gaming, but I'm afraid that I'll only get the best picture from it when I'm in a completely dark room, which is going to be hard to do in my room.

Anybody know how it is in dim light?

sbjunky
02-27-2008, 11:52 PM
First, I didn't say the SD was bad, just not as good as my Panasonic plasma. I have friends that have other brands of plasma TV's that don't do as good on SD as the Panasonic.

As for the LCD, I have Toshiba Regza's which I believe to be the best LCD on the market. They have super PQ on HD and satisfactory PQ on SD but the Panasonic is a bit better but it is a plasma.

But none of then can resolve SD as well as my HD CRT projection TV, but that's another story and they are not available anymore.

From what I understand Sony does make some nice TV's but I won't consider them for personal reasons and I believe the brands I mentioned to be as good if not better.

So either the Panasonic plasma or the Toshiba Regza would be a great choice.

My bad, sorry to miss-quote you Loves2Watch. also not a sony fan, also I've Heard that sony LCD screens get very warm. not sure if it's true or not.

sbjunky
02-28-2008, 12:04 AM
Malice187, forgot to mention that many people feel 120hz is bad for movies "makes them look like TV Soap Opera".

Malice187
02-28-2008, 12:26 AM
Malice187, forgot to mention that many people feel 120hz is bad for movies "makes them look like TV Soap Opera".Ah, I'm not really worried about that. I'll be doing more gaming and TV watching then watching movies.

Scottnot
02-28-2008, 07:02 AM
. . . many people feel 120hz is bad for movies "makes them look like TV Soap Opera".
A lesson in how things work . . . . especially forums.

Interesting how very recently one respected forum contributor gave his personal opinion with a reasonable explanation regarding a possible downside of 120Hz. In so doing, he use the comparative "look like a TV Soap Opera".

Today we find this being "authoritatively" cited as something that "many people feel" . . . . and no explanation attached either.

Malice187
02-28-2008, 08:43 PM
Guys, after looking at every TV suggestion here, as well as other websites, I think I made my decision on which to get....

The Panasonic TH-50PZ77U!

I really liked this TV when I was looking at it at Best buy and Circuit City. It seemed so much brighter then every other TV there. And you could view it and get a great picture at any angle!

I did have one problem though.... When looking at it really closely, I could kind of, how do I put this, SEE all the pixels... I was watching a scene where people were snowboarding, and I could see the pixels when I got REALLY close.

Should I worry about this? Maybe it was just the floor model that BB had, coupled with the fact there was a lot of light and hundreds of other TV's around.

Either way, I'll be able to get this TV for $1700 SHIPPED, so I figure the risk is worth it...

Codes20
02-28-2008, 08:55 PM
For that 1080p Panasonic, you could only see the pixels if you are about a foot away from the screen or closer. What you saw was probably compression artifacts and pixelation due to a bad HD feed.

Malice187
02-28-2008, 09:51 PM
For that 1080p Panasonic, you could only see the pixels if you are about a foot away from the screen or closer. What you saw was probably compression artifacts and pixelation due to a bad HD feed.Thanks for the reply. That's good enough for me and I'm going to pull the trigger now. I'm totally stoked about my first venture into HDTV!

Thanks to everyone for all the help!

sbjunky
02-28-2008, 10:20 PM
A lesson in how things work . . . . especially forums.

Interesting how very recently one respected forum contributor gave his personal opinion with a reasonable explanation regarding a possible downside of 120Hz. In so doing, he use the comparative "look like a TV Soap Opera".

Today we find this being "authoritatively" cited as something that "many people feel" . . . . and no explanation attached either.

Scottnot, you are 100% correct, this message from me was typed in haste because it was something I forgot to mention. It should have been:

Many people say they don't like movies at 120hz, I say many because I have yet to see or hear anyone say Its ok or great or anything positve about movies at 120hz. I have read posts on this forum and others who say they don't like it, I have also talked in person to people (friends, salesmen) who also don't like it. The way one person on this forum described it was "looked like a Soap Opera". I have herd a friend describe it this way as well. So do the research and have a sales person play a movies on the the 120hz set of your choice and see what you think.

I was lazy, trying to get as much info quickly to someone in a similar situation as me. my appologies.:o

sbjunky
02-28-2008, 10:51 PM
Thanks for the reply. That's good enough for me and I'm going to pull the trigger now. I'm totally stoked about my first venture into HDTV!

Thanks to everyone for all the help!

Congrats Malice:yippee: , drop a line when your set up let us know how it is.

Malice187
03-01-2008, 02:38 PM
Whew, Okay, I just ordered my TV off Frys.com for $1599 shipped. My only concern is that it's coming via DHL and I don't know how reliable or caring with packages they are.

Another concern is that Frys.com states that the buyer is responsible for return shipping if the seller is not satisfied with it.

God willing, it'll get here in one piece with no broken screens or any other problems. Wish me luck people!

pappylap
03-02-2008, 01:50 AM
Inspect it before you sign for it.... it isnt yours until you sign for it......

Malice187
03-03-2008, 12:42 PM
My TV just shipped! I can't wait to get it. But I have a few general questions pertaining to taking good care of the TV:

What should I use if/when the screen gets dusty and smudged with finger prints(have kids running around)?

Is there a setting on the TV I can use to help battle image retention/burn in that I should know about?

What are the main problems Plasma TV's can have beside burn in that I should know to look for before I sign for the TV?

I'm sure I'll have more questions later on, but that's it for now. Thanks for the help in advance guys and gals!

pappylap
03-03-2008, 10:27 PM
plug it up and inspect it before you sign for it.... if it was laid on its back or tipped over during shipping the glass or the phosphor cells may be broken....most plasmas are shipped in a box with a tip meter on it..... check it

Malice187
03-04-2008, 02:47 PM
plug it up and inspect it before you sign for it.... if it was laid on its back or tipped over during shipping the glass or the phosphor cells may be broken....most plasmas are shipped in a box with a tip meter on it..... check itThanks for that info pappylap! I'll be looking for that tip meter.

Another question, say I inspect it and it's broken/has some sort of defect.... Should I refuse to sign for it and immediately contact the place that sold it to me(Frys.com), or should I possibly sign for it and then contact the seller? Keeping in mind my goal will be to get a replacement or get the one that's broken fixed.

If I do refuse to sign for it, what happens? Does the shipping person just leave and I wait for the seller to contact me/I contact them? Or should I be prepared for something more difficult?

Again, I thank you guys for all your kind help.

pappylap
03-04-2008, 06:32 PM
Contact the seller tell them the set arrived damaged, that you would not accept it and to please send another...