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Why Panasonic over Samsung?

Marty0503
11-28-2007, 10:31 PM
I've been researching HDTV's for just about a month now because I plan to buy a new one in January. First easy decision I made was to get plasma rather than LCD or DLP. Then I decided rather quickly that 1080p input capability was a must. Next decision was screen size, I currently have a 3 year old 51" rp Mag so I figured I would go a little bigger with my new one...58". Last decision to be made is a brand name that is in my price range....I've narrowed it down to these 2 choices...

NewEgg Item # N82E16889187049

or

NewEgg Item # N82E16889102163

After reading several reviews from different sources it seems to be about even, with the exception of here in this forum. Everyone here seems to love Panny's over anything else in that price range when it comes to plasma. So as I read back through the fine print of each of these tv's features and specs, I see these 3 major differences..
1. The Samsung has 3 HDMI inputs vs only 2 for Panny (a must for 1080p)
2.The Samsung lists a 10,000 to 1 contrast ratio vs only 5000 to 1 for Panny. During my research one thing that I have consistantly read is that contrast ratio is a very important spec for overall pic quality, cnet and cr both actually say it's the most important spec.
3. The Samsung is cheaper almost everywhere.

I will have to say that the Panny seems to have a more impressive audio system, but most people, me included, have a surround sound system to use so the tv's audio system isn't a factor.

So I guess I'll have to hope I can find a Circuit City or Best Buy that will have both of these sets on display so I can do an in-person comparison. But until then, could you guys explain to me why you are such Panny lovers? Thanks.

Codes20
11-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Reasons why I like Panasonic:
-More natural, realistic picture color/tone.
-Reliability (about the best out there)
-Handling of SD material

Contrast varies so much due to the fact that nearly every manufacturer exaggerates their claims. Don't really trust them.

The Samsung is also an excellent choice, but I prefer the Panasonic.

z28rod
11-29-2007, 02:21 AM
Reasons why I like Panasonic:
-More natural, realistic picture color/tone.
-Reliability (about the best out there)
-Handling of SD materialditto that

justloafing
11-29-2007, 04:49 AM
I bought a Panny LCD 42" for my bedroom 3 or 4 months back. I checked it out side by side with Sony and Samsung. It (Panny) blew the Sony out of the water. Samsung was nice and it blew the Sony out of the water. The sales person let me mess with the picture controls so I tuned all 3 until I got the pictures to my liking. It was about a tie with the Panny and Samsung. I could have flipped a coin and taken either. The reason I ended up with the Panny is............I have a 52" Panny DLP that is 3 1/2 years old and have never had one problem with it. So far the 42" has not given me a problem either. I know your interested in the Plasma but just my 2 cents worth about the 2. One negative thing I will say about the 42" that I have. I don't care for the TV sound and there is not a whole lot I can do about it as far as adjusting. The 52", the sound from the TV is very good.

If I was in your shoes. Go check them out side by side if you can. Since you are choosing both in or about the same price range buy the one that meets your needs and has the best PQ.

Scottnot
11-29-2007, 07:34 AM
Then I decided rather quickly that 1080p input capability was a must.
Do you really mean this? I would say it's nice but not essential.
Now if you meant 1080p native resolution as in a 1920 x 1080p display, most would agree that for a larger screen set it's a good feature to have.

1. The Samsung has 3 HDMI inputs vs only 2 for Panny (a must for 1080p)

3 is better than 2 of course, especially if you think you will be using three source devices with support 1080p output; will you?

2.The Samsung lists a 10,000 to 1 contrast ratio vs only 5000 to 1 for Panny. During my research one thing that I have consistantly read is that contrast ratio is a very important spec for overall pic quality, cnet and cr both actually say it's the most important spec.
Important, certainly; most important, hard to say. And certainly do NOT put any value on the absurd numbers that manufacturer's use to lure consumers to purchase their product or differentiate models; the advertising/promotional contrast ratio numbers are bogus. (see why at the link below)

And, while having decent contrast ratio is important, it has more to do with proper set-up and calibration of the TV than any published specifications. With your TV properly set up, you can expect to achieve a contrast ratio in the range of 400:1 to 500:1; which is, in fact, pretty damn good.
See: http://www.plasmadisplaycoalition.org/results/brightness.php

Good luck with your choice.

truckie23
11-29-2007, 07:47 AM
I prefer the Panny to the Sammy. Just be aware read the return policy from Newegg. I have read some real horror stories about people with damaged displays and Newegg not being so helpful. Good luck, if you flipped a coin you couldn't lose in your choice.:hithere:

the dude47
11-29-2007, 09:29 AM
but whats the main reason you chose plasma over lcd? i'm still shopping for something in the 40"+

Scottnot
11-29-2007, 09:35 AM
but whats the main reason you chose plasma over lcd? i'm still shopping for something in the 40"+
Do you mean why did he buy a Ford rather than a Chevy?

Marty0503
11-29-2007, 05:59 PM
I do actually want to have 1080p input capability. I plan to have a DVD player capable of that but I still haven't decided which format to go with. I was leaning towards a Samsung Blu-Ray player untill just the other day I read that there have been some firmware issues with these players. I also plan to have a 360 connected via HDMI, which would be another 1080p source. The 3rd HDMI would then have my H21-200 connected to it. I do know that my reciever is only capable of putting out 1080i but I'm convinced that I will get better pq using HDMI over component even if it is only 1080i and not 1080p.

I do not actually plan to buy either of these tv's from NewEgg, I just used NewEggs Item #'s in my post as an easy reference for you guys to see what I had been looking at. I have a couple places here local that I could by from and I wouldn't have to wait on shipping!

This if for "the dude47"
As far as the plasma vs LCD debate goes.....I have read enough reviews that I am convinced plasma is the best choice for me.
Most technicians will tell you that for basic home theatre-like usage, plasma screens have a slight edge over LCDs. This is because plasma screens can display blacks more accurately than LCDs can, which means better contrast and detail in dark-colored television or movie scenes. The nature of LCD technology, where a backlight shines through the LCD layer, means it's hard for it to achieve true blacks because there's always some light leakage from between pixels. Plasmas can also produce a brighter color, once again due to light leakage on an LCD affecting its color saturation.
Plasma screens also typically have better viewing angles than LCD. Viewing angles are how far you can sit on either side of a screen before the picture's quality is affected. You tend to see some brightness and color shift when you're on too far of an angle with LCDs, while a plasma's picture remains fairly solid. LCD's have improved in this area lately. I hope this helps!

pappylap
11-29-2007, 06:26 PM
Just thumb through these pages in flat panel forum and count the number of problem with my Samsung threads and compare to the number of problems with my Panny threads I believe that will sum it up....

doctorxring
11-29-2007, 09:40 PM
I have two current model 1080P Plasma TV's.
One is a Panasonic and one is a Samsung.

They are both superb.

dxr

daleb
11-29-2007, 10:23 PM
Just thumb through these pages in flat panel forum and count the number of problem with my Samsung threads and compare to the number of problems with my Panny threads I believe that will sum it up....

I think that needs to be tempered with actual sales numbers. I would venture to guess Samsungs are much more popular, especially during the earlier DLP days.
And it was mostly the earlier ones that had problems, like short lamp life and bad ballasts. But then most all mfgs had similar problems at one time or another.
I don't know how valid CR's frequency of repair charts are but might be valid for this discussion.

Marty0503
12-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Now that I've been watching HD for a little over a week, I'm thinking about getting HD for the bedroom too. I've been watching it in the livingroom on this 3 yr old 51" rp Magnavox that I think actually looks great at 1080i. This is an odd TV, the manual says that if I use the HD inputs this TV can accept 480p or 1080i signals. It completely skips over 720p. When I try to set my H21 box to 720p output it shows garbage, but it looks great in 480p and even better in 1080i of course. It just seems odd to me that it's set up that way. I don't really understand it. If anyone can explain this setup that would be great. In anycase, before I got HD last Friday I was watching SD on that set, so even on that old outdated TV I think the pq is amazing at 1080i. So I'm sure if I pick the 58" plasma Samsung or Panny either one, I will be very pleased with the pq jump over what I'm getting now.
So now I'm thinking, if I also plan to get a HDTV for the bedroom, I would probably want something in the 32" -40" range. Is LCD my best bet in that size range? and if so, Does Panny out perform Sammy in LCD too?

edders
12-01-2007, 06:03 PM
I would go with Panasonic because it has two more letters in its name and Samsung sounds like the son of a SUMO wrestler.

Sorry to leave folks, my nurse is calling to give me my pills....

tipstir
12-01-2007, 07:53 PM
If you want get the Panasonic the name tells you why you should get it.. I never seen a Panasonic give trouble. I have the old 2 piece Video Cam/VCR Stereo Recorder 4-Head. I had paid $600 + $400 = $1,000 bucks for it in 1985. It still works after 22 years.. All the VCRs except 1 are Panasonic they almost 10 years now. So that's why you should get a Panasonic you're getting quailty... I wish they sold a larger LCD but don't so that's why I had turned to FUNAI!

As nothing beats a FUNAI! :hithere: