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kingkevin777
11-16-2007, 09:12 AM
is this http://www.vizio.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=18 good for gaming and watching cablevision's hdtv

Bleedgreen71
11-16-2007, 01:56 PM
my buddy has that set and he said it struggles with PS2 which im sure is hooked up with composite cable. I haven't seen it hooked up via component to a 360...im sure it would be better

360kid
11-16-2007, 02:42 PM
I have the VX42L and it is amazing. Absolutely love it. Also had the 32L, both excellent LCDs. Not the best out there, but definetely the best you can get for the money. Vizio is the number one flat panel in the US, ahead of Sony, Samsung, Sharp, all the big brands. Vizio moves a lot of product as of late.

I use mine for the 360, HDDVD (A2), TWC in HD, and as a very large pc monitor. It is very nice to be able to use it as a monitor, just get the wireless mouse and keyboard and your surfing the web from your couch.

This LCD doesn't STRUGGLE with anything. I'm not sure about the previous post, but I have never been anything but impressed. In the previous post's defense, he doesn't own one and doesn't have real experience with one. I do and I can tell you they are worth every penny. In fact, I loved it so much, I bought a second Vizio.

wndrrd
11-16-2007, 07:32 PM
I also have the VX42L. I love it got it hooked to my 8300HDC. The picture is amazing. I have never had problem one. I liked my Vizio so much I replaced my 19 inch HP LCD monitor for the 26 inch vizio HDTV got it hooked up with the VGA. All my computer games look amazing on it. I do not have a PS3 or 360 so I can't tell you how they look at this time, but I am going to buy a 360 for christmas and I will let you know then.

kingkevin777
11-16-2007, 10:05 PM
i know this hdtv isnt the best like sony or samsung but i know its not the worst like insignia,toshiba,or westinghouse


do u agree?

360kid
11-16-2007, 11:18 PM
i know this hdtv isnt the best like sony or samsung but i know its not the worst like insignia,toshiba,or westinghouse


do u agree?

Yes, I agree, but your statement would leave me to believe the Vizio is in the middle. I would say it is closer to upper middle or bottom of the top sort of thing. Vizio is truly impressive. I can also say that my VX42L is better looking than the 32L model. The 32L is an older model. So, Vizio has improved with its new model lines.

I am not going to twist your arm an try to convince you that Vizio is right for you. I am just going to say that I did about a month of research, online and in store, before buying the 32L. A year and a half later when I decided to go bigger, I did ZERO research, I already knew I wanted another Vizio. In four or five years when I am ready for something bigger again, I will probably go with another Vizio, maybe a 1080p model next time.

Good luck with whatever set you choose.

antman2x2
11-17-2007, 05:34 PM
I also have a vizio. I love it. Awesome TV. Let us know what you end up getting!

kingkevin777
11-17-2007, 05:51 PM
i got the vizio vx32L did i make a good choice?

antman2x2
11-17-2007, 06:13 PM
Hell yeah! The same on I have. Nice.

Bleedgreen71
11-17-2007, 06:18 PM
did you play your 360 on it yet? Im pretty sure my buddy is an idiot and I wanted a 2nd opinion. Let me know

kingkevin777
11-17-2007, 09:52 PM
my HD cable box should be here on WED ill let u know how the 360 is on it

Bleedgreen71
11-17-2007, 10:28 PM
thanks...

kingkevin777
11-17-2007, 10:30 PM
no prob

Joe Las Vegas
11-18-2007, 01:22 AM
Isn't 8ms response time a bit slow for gaming? I read before that for 360 or PS3 it's better to have 5 ms or faster, is that true?

Joe Las Vegas
11-18-2007, 01:23 AM
i know this hdtv isnt the best like sony or samsung but i know its not the worst like insignia,toshiba,or westinghouse

Where does Phillips stand?

trapper43
11-18-2007, 01:55 AM
i got the vizio vx32L did i make a good choice?

I've had mine for a year now and I still love it.

Best set I have ever had. (Also have a 50" Sony RP).

andie
11-18-2007, 08:10 AM
youve pinned toshiba as on of the WORST..yet most of posters here give it high marks..am considering a regza, which is why i ask..

tipstir
11-18-2007, 08:22 AM
Doesn't really matter what you buy.. I say save your money and get a FUNAI!

Pansonic, SONY, ((JVC and Samsung - (never in a million years would I buy another product from them, just plain junk) ((Toshiba - (they have problems with all their sets, but one day they'll get it right might take another 10 years).

Westinghouse have issues with diodes going bad in the power supply, but this could happen to any LCD panel.

IC Power has some excellent PQ and their LCD panels are the best for gaming just too bad you can't get them over yet again.
SOYO another brand that's good. DYNEX and the other one sold at Best Buy you'll have to spend some time with those sets and try out the features and look closely at the colors and lines. They won't have much enhancement features though as they're cheap as you can get. SONY and Panasonic are expensive! VIZO line is okay their sets look so cool but I am saying how along well they last or hold up. That's what they need to do is run these sets all day along for 1 year and hire some kids (parents) and let them do the worst too these sets. Lets see how long they hold up. Most people leave these set on and don't turn them off. How many sets here have Energy Star or can be set to turn off if not in use. They should do it out of the box, as alot of people forget they have such a feature.

Shop around check out all the sets you want.. They all can plan games, dvd, media network stuff an etc.. They just like a computer monitor just that they also give you TV. Try to find a store that has Cable or SAT and try out the set that way. Most of these sets are hooked up to some video system feed so it really doesn't give you idea what will it be like at home.

kingkevin777
11-18-2007, 08:39 AM
phillips probably stands in the lower middle ranking but its still better than poor quality HDTV's like westinghouse, insignia, svylania, and toshiba. I read vizio was in the high middle ranking due to the fact is a bang for the buck, and the image quality is better than expected

tipstir
11-18-2007, 08:43 AM
phillips probably stands in the lower middle ranking but its still better than poor quality HDTV's like westinghouse, insignia, svylania, and toshiba. I read vizio was in the high middle ranking due to the fact is a bang for the buck, and the image quality is better than expected

FUNAI stands by their LCD Panel if it should fail during the year they will replace it for free including labor. But they have one of the better sets out there. They have no poor quailty HDTV. Come on really you can't say it if you don't own one already. I also have Trutech HDTV and it's still better than any 15" out there for less.

Loves2Watch
11-18-2007, 09:08 AM
i know this hdtv isnt the best like sony or samsung but i know its not the worst like insignia,toshiba,or westinghouse


do u agree?

Toshiba should be at the top, especially the Regza not with those 2nd and 3rd tier products. Just because 1 person had a problem with their Toshiba does not mean they are all bad. In fact, as far as LCD's go Regza is at the top.

kingkevin777
11-18-2007, 10:11 AM
philips i would have to say to say in the middle as well

kingkevin777
11-18-2007, 03:58 PM
Toshiba should be at the top, especially the Regza not with those 2nd and 3rd tier products. Just because 1 person had a problem with their Toshiba does not mean they are all bad. In fact, as far as LCD's go Regza is at the top.

thats yur opinion im going with reviews and facts and i now know toshiba is a bad hdtv

unotis
11-18-2007, 04:39 PM
Doesn't really matter what you buy.. I say save your money and get a FUNAI!

Pansonic, SONY, ((JVC and Samsung - (never in a million years would I buy another product from them, just plain junk) ((Toshiba - (they have problems with all their sets, but one day they'll get it right might take another 10 years).


I don't know why you dislike Toshiba so much, the several I've owned have never given me one instance of trouble, Several of their models get very high ratings for PQ and build quality.

Most of the complaints I've heard were the people that purchased the early 1080p LCDs and because they did not accept anything over 1080i signals, so just assumed (wrongly) they did not then have a 1080p LCD.

They assumed this because they did not know that a 1080p flat panel would just take a 1080i signal and de-interlace it and then present it as a 1080p picture. And I know I read the reviews that said several of the early models from just about every brand had various success rates at doing just that but I don't believe Toshiba led the list in any respect.

And I agree Funai is a very dependable maker of flat panel LCD panels but not any better then Toshiba (actually I've read more people saying the exact opposite) but, that is probably just more people not be educated about their product.

And I read your post where you said you had 2 or 3 Toshiba TVs in a row that failed and I said you must be the unluckiest person in the world, that has got to be a 1 in a million chance.

Just be careful what you post and if you do please give links that prove it, otherwise it is just a un-verifiable opinion and everyone has an opinion, they are not all fact and please be careful to not portray them as such (not saying you did just that but it seemed to be close enough to confuse the n00bs).

I'm not getting on you but just be careful in what you post and for what reasons. ;)

kingkevin777
11-18-2007, 04:45 PM
I don't know why you dislike Toshiba so much, the several I've owned have never given me one instance of trouble, Several of their models get very high ratings for PQ and build quality.

Most of the complaints I've heard were the people that purchased the early 1080p LCDs and because they did not accept anything over 1080i signals, so just assumed (wrongly) they did not then have a 1080p LCD.

They assumed this because they did not know that a 1080p flat panel would just take a 1080i signal and de-interlace it and then present it as a 1080p picture. And I know I read the reviews that said several of the early models from just about every brand had various success rates at doing just that but I don't believe Toshiba led the list in any respect.

And I agree Funai is a very dependable maker of flat panel LCD panels but not any better then Toshiba (actually I've read more people saying the exact opposite) but, that is probably just more people not be educated about their product.

And I read your post where you said you had 2 or 3 Toshiba TVs in a row that failed and I said you must be the unluckiest person in the world, that has got to be a 1 in a million chance.

Just be careful what you post and if you do please give links that prove it, otherwise it is just a un-verifiable opinion and everyone has an opinion, they are not all fact and please be careful to not portray them as such (not saying you did just that but it seemed to be close enough to confuse the n00bs).

I'm not getting on you but just be careful in what you post and for what reasons. ;)



i never said i owned a toshiba. i own a LG, hitachi, and vizio they're great middle end hdtv according to the research i did on ALL toshibas i should stay away from them but there a few DECENT ones out there just not as decent as the middle end hdtv's. its not an opinion its a fact

unotis
11-18-2007, 05:10 PM
i never said i owned a toshiba. i own a LG, hitachi, and vizio they're great middle end hdtv according to the research i did on ALL toshibas i should stay away from them but there a few DECENT ones out there just not as decent as the middle end hdtv's. its not an opinion its a fact

Well if it a fact give us some links so we can be better educated, where exactly did you read all these reviews?

I've must be ignorate, I've never seen any bad reviews for Toshibas (other then some ignorant asses that posted on cNet reviews) so called owners who didn't think they received a 1080p TV when they in fact did, again because they only accepted 1080i signals and they were wrong.

Sorry, I read many posts in forums by people that state things as facts without anything to back those so called facts up.

If you have some then please educate us all.

Again not picking on you just we need links and proof for us to all understand why you say something with such conviction.

pappylap
11-18-2007, 07:47 PM
I'm with you Unotis, I havnt seen anything negative about Toshiba panels....Remember, this is the same kid that told the guy who bought a new 60" Pioneer Kuro he should have opted for a DLP or an LCD.
u should've got an LCD OR DLP
I belive any educated HD viewer will agree that the new KUROs are currently at the top of the food chain...so I would take this fellows post (and opinions) very lightly.

unotis
11-19-2007, 09:22 AM
I'm with you Unotis, I havnt seen anything negative about Toshiba panels....Remember, this is the same kid that told the guy who bought a new 60" Pioneer Kuro he should have opted for a DLP or an LCD.

I belive any educated HD viewer will agree that the new KUROs are currently at the top of the food chain...so I would take this fellows post (and opinions) very lightly.

Yes, he does make very biased statements but doesn't give any links to back up his opinion.

I tried to give him the chance to provide something to back up his claim Toshibas are Bad flat panels.

If he does great, I've never read any bad reviews for Toshiba but I would look and welcome any new knowledge provided.

If he doesn't then I'll put him mentally into the "doesn't know what he is talking about" segment of the forum members (every forum has a few).

z28rod
11-19-2007, 11:19 AM
Toshiba panels are exellent sets.......

unotis
11-19-2007, 02:10 PM
Now he is posting Plasmas dim after a few years so everyone should buy LCDs, never mind the projected life is around 20 years at 8 hours daily and very few if any will keep their TVs that long anyway in order to see any real dimming of the screen.

He seems to make extreme statements giving his opinions as if they were fact.

I wouldn't mind if he would just indicate them as his personal opinions and maybe tone down the rhetoric just a little, him and tipstir.

Oh well, we can only hope they come around to being open minded and not so strong in their judgments and posts or at least give us some linkable proof to back up their opinions. :rolleyes:

kingkevin777
11-19-2007, 02:58 PM
im just giving the facts

pappylap
11-19-2007, 10:34 PM
Here are a few satisfied customers for you... mind you, all sets will have some consumers with complaints....
Great HDTV, DVD Picture. Analog Picture OK. Purchased the Sharp 26" Aqua Originally and Took It (poor picture and motion lag). Would Buy the Toshiba Again.

I've had a 42" Regza 42HL196 for a few months now and absolutely love the PQ on the set. I've had great luck with Toshiba products, too.

I also have the Toshiba and love it. Great Consumer Reports Review.

I bought an 26HL66 at the begining of December. It says REGZA in the upper LH corner. Have it hooked to an OTA and D*TV. HD via the OTA is stunning! The ATSC and NTSC tuner is INTEGRATED which makes it very convenient for channel surfing. Standard D*TV looks good from 10 feet away but is really nasty close up due to SDTV compression. Top rated by consumers and I agree. The manual leaves out some things like how to remove the pedestal so I wrote Toshiba and they called me to respond! Great set.:)

I bought mine right before Christmas, after some PQ tuning this thing looks amazing especially when in HD or at least a DVD, standard def is so-so, but that's probably after viewing high def. I would recommend this TV.

I just picked up the 42hl167 and I love it. 42" of 1080p goodness for $1255.00, I could not let that deal go. It did need a picture tune up, but I have not seen any HD set that looked good right out of the box anyway. As far as SD pic quality it looks better than it does on my 2 year old Toshiba HD tube. For best results with SD use the Full pic size setting and leave stretch 4:3 off on the signal source, cable or sat box.
I am waiting for my HD digital video essentials disk to arrive from amazon so I can really play with all the advance setting this set has. The only bad thing I can say about this set is it does not take 1080p signal from my xbox 360 through component input. But no big deal as I am trading up for a new Halo 360 with HDMI tomorro. I cant wait to see my HD DVD's on this.

z28rod
11-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Toshiba makes a great set, they are top tier in my book......

kingkevin777
11-20-2007, 07:07 AM
if u say so

z28rod
11-20-2007, 08:13 AM
Then dont ask..................

kingkevin777
11-20-2007, 09:04 AM
im not asking im just stating facts and reviews i've RECENTLY read

unotis
11-20-2007, 09:13 AM
im not asking im just stating facts and reviews i've RECENTLY read

Then just give us links to those reviews so we may see why you posted what you did in reference to Toshiba Flat Screen HDTVs.

You can see the quotes given above, just give the links for your examples and we will understand. ;)

kingkevin777
11-20-2007, 09:17 AM
go to cnet and look them up or type in "toshiba hdtv reviews" on google

unotis
11-20-2007, 12:58 PM
go to cnet and look them up or type in "toshiba hdtv reviews" on google

Sorry, wrong the cNet reviews are great for Toshiba even from the owners, they average 7.6 to 8.4 from both the reviewers and owner's opinions.

And I did a "Google" search for Toshiba LCD HDTV reviews and they were spectacular, many 5/5 to 4/5 stars.

Either give us actual links without being so vague and please do not link the two or three bad owner reviews under owner opinions on cNet Reviews, there are only a couple and it is obvious they don't know what they are talking about, a couple of my TV is not a 1080p because it doesn't accept anything more then 1080i (which is wrong) and my picture is too green (yet no other reviewers complain about it) could very well be a very isolated problem or he just doesn't know how to set up his TV (could be either).

PFC5
11-20-2007, 06:16 PM
i never said i owned a toshiba. i own a LG, hitachi, and vizio they're great middle end hdtv according to the research i did on ALL toshibas i should stay away from them but there a few DECENT ones out there just not as decent as the middle end hdtv's. its not an opinion its a fact

Sorry what you are saying IS opinion and NOT fact!

You will have to provide links for it to be considered fact, and I only see you stating opinion. I have looked at the new Toshiba LCD flat panels and after adjusting them in the store they look great. I would say they may be around 98% as good as Samsung (best) & Sony (2nd best) IMO.

I have not checked the Toshiba out for deinterlacing abilities, which I could not do properly in the stores, but the PQ was very sharp and without a lot of noise or banding. Colors were vibrant, but before I adjusted them on the display models, they were set too high as well as the contrast ratio. This is typical for displays to be set in "Torch Mode" at stores to make them stand out.

If you have valid sources with links to WHY you think Toshiba LCDs are at the bottom by all means post them. I would love to see them so that I can scratch them off my list for both my own purchase in the future or my recommendation list for others.

Otherwise it is just your opinion. IMO. :D ;)

EDIT:

Here are some links from the EXACT search words you stated to use:

http://www.hdtvlounge.net/reviews/toshiba/
The Toshiba 52LX177 is one of Toshiba’s latest offerings, resulting in a very impressive 52-inch LCD HDTV. The 52LX177 is feature packed offering a 1080p full HD LCD screen for the highest HD resolution along with ClearFrame 120Hz Anti-Blur Technology, which uses a very high 120Hz rate to add extra in between frames to reduce judder and motion blur significantly.http://google-cnet.com.com/flat-panel-tvs/toshiba-52lx177/4505-6482_7-32306269.html?tag=prod.txt.5
The good: Reproduces a deep level of black for an LCD; 120Hz display addresses some motion blur; can remove most judder from film-based sources; solid uniformity across screen; ample connectivity including three HDMI and one PC input; numerous picture controls; sleek styling; Ethernet connection allows limited home networking. The bad: Expensive; inaccurate primary color of green and secondary color of cyan; benefits of 120Hz hard to discern; below-average standard-def video processing; home networking difficult to set up.

The bottom line: Albeit expensive, the 52-inch Toshiba 52LX177 LCD HDTV is packed with cutting-edge technology and produces an impressive picture.http://www.whatabouttvs.com/Toshiba_HDTV_Reviews_Should_Definately_Be_Read.htm l

Out of the many Toshiba models, one such well known model is the 42HL196 42 HDTV has a heart rendering mix of cutting-edge design and state-of-the-art technology combined together to give a Toshiba's 42" LCD display. This TV brings a unique audio visual awareness to our modern standard of living. Toshiba’s flat panel LCD TVs feature an unparalleled mixture of picture quality and high sophistication. This is due to the Toshiba's Liquid Crystal Display panel display technology. With features like Crystalline Rapid Response LCD screen enhancer and ultra-high resolution, brightness and contrast ratios, Toshiba LCDs surpass other LCD TVs in the performance today. Bold, yet splendidly understated, Toshiba LCD televisions will bring a whole new digital aesthetic feeling to your living room or just about anywhere else you can think to put an LCD. Discreetly hidden beneath this LCD TV's façade are a multi-standard television tuner and all the connections you'll need to bring your home theatre system to life. This HDTV comes with a one year comprehensive warranty and weighs 63.8 lbs.
Again these are from the first page of hits on the YOUR requested search words. One of which is the very source you stated as a source to prove your OPINION. :D

unotis
11-21-2007, 12:35 PM
Let's not be too hard on KingKevin777, he seems to be so new he has not really learned enough yet to give educated recommendations, and he wants to, he'll learn and if he reads here and follows the good links, he'll become a valued member of the forum after he learns how and when to make his statements with links for proof. ;)

kingkevin777
11-21-2007, 02:30 PM
well i guess toshiba isnt that bad after all i guess those bad reviews were made by people who had a unlucky set