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New Cable Card from Comcast

huy30
11-08-2007, 01:05 PM
Anyone's using new Cable Card (multi-stream???) from Comcast. I had the old one for little over two years. Just early this week that I got no picture for alot channels like most HD channels and some SD channels and some regular digital channels. Finally, I called tech support last night...long story short..they told me to pick up new Cable Card.

Questions: So with multi-stream card, we can get the guide, VOD, PPV now? The tech that I spoke to did not know those answers. I guess I will find out tonight.

davecramer74
11-08-2007, 02:18 PM
Your cable card has nothing to do with you not getting vod, ppv, interactive guide, its your device that is not capable of doing it. The multistream cards essentially do away with the need to have 2 cards for dual tuners. basically if your tv or set top box had dual tuners, you'd only need 1 card now instead of 2.

treker
11-08-2007, 08:33 PM
Even the new M series card will not give you a two way, regardless of set or STB none of the cable providers have enabled anything in their systems to allow it to work, Thats why no new sets have a Cable card slot just a QAM tiner

huy30
11-09-2007, 02:31 PM
Thank you.

I activated it last night, and the tech told me that I could not get those stuff. The tech told me that I could record one show and watch another or use PiP with the new M card.

huy30
11-12-2007, 10:37 AM
Anyone tried M-Card with older TV? I could not activate new M-Card with my JVC HD-61z886 yet. From my last attempt to activate it, Comcast tech said b/c my TV does not support M-Card and told me to contact JVC.

Currently, when I put the card in my tv, I can only watch digital channels like D2-1 or D74-3 and can not watch any analog channels...although I set my digital tuner to ATSC. Then, when i set my digital tuner to Digital Tuner (QAM tuner), I can watch analog and digital channels...but when i put the cable card in, I can watch the last channel it was on. When i change to any other channels, i get No Program msg...and then i can not watch any channels until i take the card out.

mckenna797
11-12-2007, 09:15 PM
I just picked up a SA 8300 HDDVR-C with the M card and I get the program guide , vod,and all the other interactive stuff and it works just like the sa 8300 hddvr that it replaced, it might be different with comcast as i,m on Time Warner NYC

bicker
11-13-2007, 04:51 AM
Again, the CableCard has nothing to do with getting VOD or PPV. That requires a two-way host device, like the SA box you mentioned. There are no televisions or STBs, sold to the general public, that take CableCards, and are two-way host devices. Rented, yes; sold, no.

kennick
11-15-2007, 03:08 PM
I just had a Comcast tech here today to install 2 cards in my new TivoHD. First question I asked was..."Are these single stream or multi-stream cards?" He answers Single Stream.

After he leaves, I check the Tivo screen and it tells me that the first card is multi-stream and the second card will be disabled. I noticed him looking at that screen too, but I didn't want to hover over him and couldn't read it while he was here.

So I guess the techs don't know the difference. Is there anything on the card that identifies it as single or multi-stream?

I also have a Tivo S3 that had 2 single stream cards installed about a year ago. Can I move one of these new M cards to the S3 without having to call Comcast, or is there something that ties the card to the device? (If I can do this, I can return the 2 single stream cards and save $. Right now I am paying for 4 cards at $2.75 per card).

Thanks!!!

LazerGuided
11-15-2007, 03:26 PM
Too bad most HDTV's don't have a cablecard slot.

huy30
11-15-2007, 05:23 PM
For Houston..dont about anywhere else.. the first cable card is free...and 2 bucks for each additional card.

I swapped out 4th M-card and still had the same problem. By now, Comcast point finger to my TV (JVC).

I just called JVC tech. After I told them the problem..and basically..they can not do anything. With my experience two ago, then I asked them about new firmware for the TV. Finally, they said there was newer firmware, so I will get the latest firmware in few days. Hope this firmware will fix the problem.

robotech95460
09-25-2008, 11:04 PM
Again, the CableCard has nothing to do with getting VOD or PPV. That requires a two-way host device, like the SA box you mentioned. There are no televisions or STBs, sold to the general public, that take CableCards, and are two-way host devices. Rented, yes; sold, no.
So , can anyone comment on this- why are cable cards not SOLD? I contacted the FCC - and they said you CAN buy a cable card, but it has to be compatible with the system that you are using. My cable company sales department told me that I can buy my own cable card - but tech's for Comcast on the phone refused to activate my cable card as it was "not in their system". And they said that you can not buy one from them, and you can not activate one that you buy even if it is compatible.
So, I asked the FCC as to how to complain - and they said to take it up with my local cable franchise.
Any one else ever activated a cable card that you bought? Like from Best Buy or something?
I know this post is from like 2007 - but my TV DOES have a cable card slot - not sure it is two way or not - but the card info says that it considers the host to have 1 way capability.
Does any one know if in Northern California Comcast has two way capabilities? There is two way Internet here.

bicker
09-26-2008, 03:47 AM
There is no requirement for MSOs to activate any customer-owned CableCARDs. The only requirement is that the MSO provide CableCARDs, for rental if they so choose. So your concerns should be directed to your Members of Congress, since they oversee the FCC who wrote the applicable laws.

deadhead68
09-26-2008, 09:54 AM
So , can anyone comment on this- why are cable cards not SOLD? I contacted the FCC - and they said you CAN buy a cable card, but it has to be compatible with the system that you are using. My cable company sales department told me that I can buy my own cable card - but tech's for Comcast on the phone refused to activate my cable card as it was "not in their system". And they said that you can not buy one from them, and you can not activate one that you buy even if it is compatible.
So, I asked the FCC as to how to complain - and they said to take it up with my local cable franchise.
Any one else ever activated a cable card that you bought? Like from Best Buy or something?
I know this post is from like 2007 - but my TV DOES have a cable card slot - not sure it is two way or not - but the card info says that it considers the host to have 1 way capability.
Does any one know if in Northern California Comcast has two way capabilities? There is two way Internet here.

**Update. I didn't scroll down far enough to see Bicker's reply which pretty much sums it up. But my :2cents is below. **

I don't believe there are any 2-way cable cards out yet. I have never heard of any cable company activating a cable card that was purchased and not leased/rented. I don't believe they are required to. Also, I don't know of anywhere you can legally purchase a cable card.

DeadHead68

bicker
09-26-2008, 12:07 PM
CableCARDs aren't necessarily one-way or two-way... they'll all work either way. It is, rather, the host device (i.e., the television) that is either one-way or two-way.

scubabel
11-08-2008, 10:28 PM
CableCARDs aren't necessarily one-way or two-way... they'll all work either way. It is, rather, the host device (i.e., the television) that is either one-way or two-way.

My understanding is that the Bidirectional OpenCable Receiver Standard (BOCR) applies to the receiver as opposed to the card (i.e. TV or cable box), but that BOCR receivers will probably always want M-cards. As bicker implied, it seems that older receivers, even when they support M-cards, are not capable of bi-directionalality, no matter what cards you put in them.

The terminology is a bit confusing because the new CableCard 2.0 standard is what the bi-directional receivers depend on, but the catch is that the CableCard 2.0 standard doesn't just describe the card, but the whole system including the receiver operating system.

Sykotic
11-09-2008, 12:18 PM
I also have a Tivo S3 that had 2 single stream cards installed about a year ago. Can I move one of these new M cards to the S3 without having to call Comcast, or is there something that ties the card to the device? (If I can do this, I can return the 2 single stream cards and save $. Right now I am paying for 4 cards at $2.75 per card).

Each card is paired to the devise. You can move the card to another tv, but you will then have to call your MSO and give them the pairing info, Found in your tv's setup. Also if the tech installed 2 cards, 1 being a multistream and 1 being a single stream, that you dont need, he was just trying to get the extra pay for installing a second one. Take it out and return it, save yourself the monthly rental fee.

Outside of TIVO I dont get the idea of cable cards. Yea they save space and not require a STB (all new STB now require a cable card slot in them) but you are so limited with them. The FCC requies cable co to support them, but dont require tv makers to support them.