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The best sub 30" 16:9 CRT HDTV - Under $800!

Hvatum
03-01-2005, 01:14 PM
Sorry for making my first post a question, and a newbie one at that, but I'm a complete beginner in the HDTV world. I'd like to purchase a 16:9 HDTV which accepts 720 & 480 formats correctly, primarly for Xbox/PS2 gaming and DVDs.

I've got a sizable DVD and game collection but a really atrocious American-made TV from the 1980s. The terrible picture that it puts out makes gaming hard somtimes - especially in Halo when I'm trying to snipe people. I don't have X-Box live as it won't work over the network here so I can't get updates for games. Does that mean I'm sunk or will the some games work out of the box in HDTV. The games I have right now are Halo 2, SSX3, Gran Tourismo 4 and MVP Baseball '05.

I was looking at bestbuy.com and found the TX-P2670WH (Samsung), any thoughts on this? I just want to get something that will work and not crap out once I get out of college. Here's the link: TX-P2670WH (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1077626340538&skuId=6407836&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050031&type=product)

One last question, do I need a special DVD player to get the full quality out of DVDs on an HDTV or will any player work?

Micmax
03-01-2005, 01:23 PM
I've been impressed with the Samsung model you're looking at, especially since it has a built-in HD tuner for over the air broadcasts. Excellent price too.

You will connect your Xbox to the TV using component cables (red/green/blue).

All Xbox games will work on your HDTV, although some will look better than others depending on their resolution.

The only major thing to remember when buying a DVD player for your HDTV is buying a "progressive scan" DVD player. You can get a decent one for $50, or one as cheap as $30. Or you can get one thats $500. Just depends what you want.

meh130
03-02-2005, 11:58 PM
I just bought the 30" Samsung TX-P3075WH and I am very pleased. The picture quality is very good. It is a 1080i, but it upconverts 720p very well (based on OTA ABC broadcasts). NBC1080i broadcasts and ABC 720p broadcasts upconverted to 1080i look identical. The TV shows 480i as 480p using its built-in deinterlacer, so most DVDs of movies look great even without a progressive scanning player. Standard Def DVDs of TV shows don't look as good, and it could be the TV's 3:2 pulldown correction conflicting with my DVD player. I have a new DVD player coming soon and I'll see if that helps. Also, I swear the longer a standard analog cable or VHS cassette is played, the better the picture looks. I think the DSP in the TV improves the image based on the signal. I was watching a SLP VHS tape recorded from analog cable and the picture seemed to get sharper after about five minutes of play.

The built-in tuner works like a champ. Broadcast HD looks better than a DVD. And on the 30" model, there are two antenna ports, which is great for an OTA antenna and analog cable.

The only problem I have had was a strange discoloration in the lower left corner which appeared after about one week of use. I figured the screen needed degaussing, but could not find any information on this, but the troubleshooting portion of the information booklet mentioned unplugging the set for 30 seconds for screen irregularities. That fixed it.

Since your target is $800, you may want to look around for the 30" model. The Panasonic badged version of this TV was $799 at Sam's Club, and two weeks ago the Samsung version was on sale at a couple places for around $600-$700, versus a typical price of about $899. I think Samsung may have been clearing stocks for the TX-P3076WH model.

Garawin
03-03-2005, 01:42 AM
I have the TX-P2675WH, the buttons are one the side of the TV instead of the front. I love this tv...had it about 2 weeks and already about half through my DVD collection.

Hvatum
03-03-2005, 01:43 PM
Thanks for all the responses. So I guess the only thing I need to worry about is getting a progressive scan dvd player.

I checked on my X-Box and my PS2 and neither of them support progressive can when playing DVDs! It seems we early adopters are always punished, my friend just recently bought a PS2 and his has an option for enabling progressive scan - mine doesn't :mad:

Meh130, I'll keep my eyes open for any good deals on the 30" model. Even if I can only afford the 26" I'll probably not be dissapointed as I'll be sitting relatively close to it (3 feet). I sadly don't have a membership to Sam's club so I'll just keep looking online and locally for the next few weeks. If I still can't find the 30" in my price range then I'll just get the 26".

Sp3eD
03-03-2005, 05:34 PM
Yeah PS2's that were made late 2003, 2004 have progressive scan ability on the DVD's.

As for the games you mentioned, depending on what systems you have the games for, Halo 2 for sure is 480p, while Gran Turismo 4 can actually go into 1080i. The other 2 if on Xbox will be 480p, but if not I think the PS2 versions are all 480i. If you want a wow factor when showing off HD to people, I recommend Amped 2 Snowboarding and Soul Calibur 2 both on Xbox. They support 720p and look absolutly fantastic.

Just as a reminder, you have to get component cables (blue, green, red) to take advantage of the HD resolutions. Both run around $20-$30 for each system.

meh130
03-03-2005, 08:02 PM
You may also want to look at the Sanyo HT30744 30" widescreen HDTV. It is $562.00 at Wal-Mart. It has an integrated ATSC tuner. I just saw one today in my local Wal-Mart. It was playing a DVD alongside a Philips 30" HD monitor, and the Sanyo looked better.

The Sanyo is 1080i, and upconverts all signals to 1080i. The Samsung models are 480p/1080i.

Here is are links to the television at the Sanyo site and at the Wal-Mart site.

http://www.sanyo.com/entertainment/televisions/digital/index.cfm?productID=904

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425&cat=136948&type=19&dept=101831&path=0%3A101831%3A101839%3A179863

RSawdey
03-04-2005, 12:56 AM
These sets are CRT based interlaced sets, 1080i. For gameboxes and PCs a progressive scan display (720p) will produce a much better image, and won't burn in with static images like desktops & control panels. Perhaps you should look at some of the flat panels LCDs... a bit more but better quality & longer life.

Hvatum
03-04-2005, 04:36 PM
These sets are CRT based interlaced sets, 1080i. For gameboxes and PCs a progressive scan display (720p) will produce a much better image, and won't burn in with static images like desktops & control panels. Perhaps you should look at some of the flat panels LCDs... a bit more but better quality & longer life.

The Samsung 26"/30" set is progressive scan so I've got that covered. The lowest price I could find for a comperable LCD was over $900, so I think a CRT is probably a better value for me. From comparing my CRT which I use for gaming to my friends LCD I know CRTs have the upperhand in contrast - the backlight kinda bleeds through the black colors on LCDs.

I'm curious about the lifetime for CRTs since you mentioned it. Do CRT televisions have a shorter life span than CRT monitors for some reason? The only monitors I've seen with burn-in in my lifetime were old greenscreen monitors from about 1979. My monitor has sat there displaying the windows XP desktop and the occasional game for the last 3 years and has yet to show any sign of burn in... my father's plasma screen burns in every time he watches CNN with their stupid little bars on the bottom though. :mad:

RSawdey
03-05-2005, 06:45 PM
Those sets are CRT based interlaced 1080i displays. They can not produce 720p or 1080p progressive HD images. They accept the signals, but convert them to 1080i for display.

Yep, the LCDs are priceyer... but have numerous advantages. You said your target was $800, so I wouldn't think $900 was that out of reach.

Blacks produced by LCDs are improving, but CRT is the definate winner there...

Anything that uses phosphors CAN burn in... direct view CRTs are much better than RPTV or Plasmas though...

raydi
03-09-2005, 07:54 PM
I just purchased the jvc iart 30" widescreen and was told that it was hdtv ready with a tuner. Come to find out after spending a day running coax and mounting the db8 antenna onthe roof that it wasn't. I had to go to walmart and buy the us digital hd tuner to verify my signal.
Hopefully i'm wrong and its a setting in the menu to correct but if not i plan on going back to HH Gregg and asking for a refund.

RSawdey
03-10-2005, 07:59 AM
Someone obviously didn't know what they were talking about... an HD-READY set has not digital tuner. It's READY to add a digital tuner. Its a MONITOR. It probably DOES have an analog tuner, old soon to be obsolete NTSC... but that's useless for HDTV.