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Any Advice Would Really Help In Installing The 5lnb Slimeline!

Albertn83
10-25-2007, 08:27 PM
Sup Guys!

Im about to install my new 5Lnb Slimeline this weekend and i could REALLY use any advice you guys could offer...videos, photos, links...anything...

I installed the 3lnb by myself by just guessing where the where the satellites where...i didnt use anything to find the signals...but my bros help by letting me know the signal strength. Now this new 5lnb looks much tougher...lol...more complicated...i dont want to be in my ruff and day trying to find all 5 satellites!

Is it possible to install it my self?

Anyhow...i live in Los Angeles...and i have the HR20, if that info helps.

THANKS!!!!

VegasFlyby
10-25-2007, 09:07 PM
Take a look at these....

http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite/at9_install_videos.asp

texasbrit
10-25-2007, 09:13 PM
The usual first response to this question is - why are you doing it yourself? If you have an HR20 DirecTV will supply and install the dish free?
Anyway, having got that one out of the way, here are two videos that might help.
This one http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite/at9_install_videos.asp shows you how to install the older 5lnb dish, the AT-9 This one http://retailer.directv.com/dws/content/TRN_Slimline_backassembly_20107.wmv is for the Slimline. It is difficult to get the center of the 101 beam without a meter because the beam is very wide and the signal meter in a DirecTV receiver is not precise enough. If you do not get the center of the 101 beam then your signals on 103(b) will be poor. But the good news is, the dish alignment instructions were put together before 103(b) started transmitting. And if you get a reasonable alignment on 101 and on 119, you can use the signal strength display on a DirecTV receiver to peak the 103(b) signal, and normally if you peak 103(b) you will find the 101 signals improve also.

Albertn83
10-26-2007, 11:21 AM
Good Question...

The reason why im doing it myself is because the Dtv account is under my sister...we dont live together...therefore if she would to call for a dish upgrade they would go an install it at her house. What we are doing is sharing receivers...its a win, win situation...we go halfers on the Bill. She has about 6 receivers that she is renting out/leasing...and she only has 2 at her house...and the rest, other people have them, including me....that way we could get the best programming and pay a fraction of the bill since its divided by 5 different people...ITS GREAT...i hope that answers your question...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFO texasbrit!

rightcoaster
10-26-2007, 04:30 PM
Good Question...

The reason why im doing it myself is because the Dtv account is under my sister...we dont live together...therefore if she would to call for a dish upgrade they would go an install it at her house. What we are doing is sharing receivers...its a win, win situation...we go halfers on the Bill. She has about 6 receivers that she is renting out/leasing...and she only has 2 at her house...and the rest, other people have them, including me....that way we could get the best programming and pay a fraction of the bill since its divided by 5 different people...ITS GREAT...i hope that answers your question...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFO texasbrit!

This may have changed, but my recollection is that if you have multiple receivers on the same account they must all be plugged into extensions of the same phone line that is associated with the account. Apparently you found a way around this.

BTW, what you're doing is not a win-win. It is a theft-piracy. It adds a couple pennies to everyone else's bill. All the pirates collectively cost us each more than a couple dollars. It's easy to pirate, or shoplift for that matter. The savings for most aren't worth the price of being a thief. It is by no means "GREAT". Apparently you haven't been using your stolen signal to watch many episodes of My Name is Earl.

deadhead68
10-26-2007, 04:41 PM
This may have changed, but my recollection is that if you have multiple receivers on the same account they must all be plugged into extensions of the same phone line that is associated with the account. Apparently you found a way around this.

BTW, what you're doing is not a win-win. It is a theft-piracy. It adds a couple pennies to everyone else's bill. All the pirates collectively cost us each more than a couple dollars. It's easy to pirate, or shoplift for that matter. The savings for most aren't worth the price of being a thief. It is by no means "GREAT". Apparently you haven't been using your stolen signal to watch many episodes of My Name is Earl.

The new receivers don't need to be plugged into a phone line at all. Having said that, I agree with everything else you said above.

DeadHead68

lawnchair13
10-26-2007, 05:20 PM
Good Question...

The reason why im doing it myself is because the Dtv account is under my sister...we dont live together...therefore if she would to call for a dish upgrade they would go an install it at her house. What we are doing is sharing receivers...its a win, win situation...we go halfers on the Bill. She has about 6 receivers that she is renting out/leasing...and she only has 2 at her house...and the rest, other people have them, including me....that way we could get the best programming and pay a fraction of the bill since its divided by 5 different people...ITS GREAT...i hope that answers your question...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFO texasbrit!


Sorry I'm not with the moral majority on this one. I use to work for Hughes (aka DirecTV) DirecTV is the companies cash cow since they sold off almost everything else. The company is bloated with multi-layered middle management. Of course they have to cover all those $1,000,000 pensions too, but they're in no hurt for cash. Wish I could help with the alignment but my settings here in California wouldn't help. The easiest way would be to stop a DirecTV truck and ask the driver if he wanted to make some side cash. Try not to mention that the account is at a different address.

Good Luck

CACougar
10-26-2007, 06:20 PM
Good Question...

The reason why im doing it myself is because the Dtv account is under my sister...we dont live together...therefore if she would to call for a dish upgrade they would go an install it at her house. What we are doing is sharing receivers...its a win, win situation...we go halfers on the Bill. She has about 6 receivers that she is renting out/leasing...and she only has 2 at her house...and the rest, other people have them, including me....that way we could get the best programming and pay a fraction of the bill since its divided by 5 different people...ITS GREAT...i hope that answers your question...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFO texasbrit!

D** previously pursued signal pirates agressively. Of course they cost D** tens of millions of dollars. They were able to obtain personal information from websites through subpoenas and warrants. You shouldn't freely admit your intent to defraud D**. Especially if your accomplices are accross state lines. The penalties get harsher when RICO is involved and I believe it applies in this case (section 1029: relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices). I doubt the $600 to $1,200 bucks a year you personally are costing them is worth their time and money, however your sister may worry if she knows you are bragging about her racket and how many tens of thousands she is costing D** each year. Not only is she denying D** a rightful fee she is pocketing that fee. I say that definitely is serious business if D** sets their sights on her through you. Just google how many lawsuits they filed in the past.

No I don't work for D** and I could care less what you do. You probably cost me a few cents on each bill and I can live with that. But don't be coy what you are doing is committing theft. You are no different than a shoplifter that causes a business to close. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Since this is an open forum for the exchange of ideas. Here is the info you requested:
Installing the 5LNB is a nightmare without the proper aiming equipment. I don't recommend it. In your local yellow pages you will find many installers willing to come and put your dish up for a few bucks, probably in the $50 range if you run the cables, no questions asked. I found in the past that many of D**'s independent installers are as honest as a three dollar bill. Also, if your sister orders PPV online ALL receivers in the 'household' get the movie. Oh and if you and/or one of your accomplices plugs the phone line in your sister may get an unexpected knock on her door someday. This is no joke. :busy:

rightcoaster
10-26-2007, 07:14 PM
Sorry I'm not with the moral majority on this one. I use to work for Hughes (aka DirecTV) DirecTV is the companies cash cow since they sold off almost everything else. The company is bloated with multi-layered middle management. Of course they have to cover all those $1,000,000 pensions too, but they're in no hurt for cash. Wish I could help with the alignment but my settings here in California wouldn't help. The easiest way would be to stop a DirecTV truck and ask the driver if he wanted to make some side cash. Try not to mention that the account is at a different address.

Good Luck

I wasn't aware of a shortage of rationalizations as to why it's Ok to steal, but thanks for your pro forma contribution.

lawnchair13
10-26-2007, 08:07 PM
I wasn't aware of a shortage of rationalizations as to why it's Ok to steal, but thanks for your pro forma contribution.:eek:

I remember when Hughes, along with others, spent millions on lobbyists to change the law. The law use to be clear that anything broadcast through the air was in the public domain. They could have simply made it too difficult to convert the scrambled signal but instead funded the elimination of another one of our freedoms. I'm not advocating shoplifting or theft of tangible property.

In fact the poster is not stealing anything, he pays a portion of the bill and for the additional receiver. If he were renting a room in the same house or even living in an in-law house at the same address it wouldn't be an issue so why is an address change so different? Just like Family Plans in the Cell Phone market. It doesn't cost the company to broadcast to additional receivers. The implied "loss" to the company assumes that the "stolen" broadcast would have been purchased had the offender not been able to aquire it otherwise. How can that be proven? The company could be losing nothing, and is in fact collecting for the additional receiver - so where's the theft?

rightcoaster
10-26-2007, 08:37 PM
:eek:

I remember when Hughes, along with others, spent millions on lobbyists to change the law. The law use to be clear that anything broadcast through the air was in the public domain. They could have simply made it too difficult to convert the scrambled signal but instead funded the elimination of another one of our freedoms. I'm not advocating shoplifting or theft of tangible property.

In fact the poster is not stealing anything, he pays a portion of the bill and for the additional receiver. If he were renting a room in the same house or even living in an in-law house at the same address it wouldn't be an issue so why is an address change so different? Just like Family Plans in the Cell Phone market. It doesn't cost the company to broadcast to additional receivers. The implied "loss" to the company assumes that the "stolen" broadcast would have been purchased had the offender not been able to aquire it otherwise. How can that be proven? The company could be losing nothing, and is in fact collecting for the additional receiver - so where's the theft?

I'll let you know when you come up with a rationalization we haven't all heard before. So far you're not even close. You get a D- for creativity.

Better check your driveway, I think Albertn83 just broke into your car, but not to worry, he'll only take your intangible property.:haha:

lawnchair13
10-26-2007, 08:47 PM
I never was the creative type...

I would be interested in seeing the law that this violates and Title 18, Part I, Chapter 47, Subsection 1029 doesn't apply. It is a legitimate receiver on a legitimate account. It may be against D* Policy but I can't seem to find a relevant or applicable law.

I don't own a car but you can have all my intangibles.

CACougar
10-27-2007, 01:42 AM
I'll let you know when you come up with a rationalization we haven't all heard before. So far you're not even close. You get a D- for creativity.

Better check your driveway, I think Albertn83 just broke into your car, but not to worry, he'll only take your intangible property.:haha:

LOL :busy:

CACougar
10-27-2007, 02:08 AM
I never was the creative type...

I would be interested in seeing the law that this violates and Title 18, Part I, Chapter 47, Subsection 1029 doesn't apply. It is a legitimate receiver on a legitimate account. It may be against D* Policy but I can't seem to find a relevant or applicable law.

I don't own a car but you can have all my intangibles.

Your premise is flawed. It is not a legitimate receiver on a legitimate account?? Read the contract you signed with D**. That contract is just as binding as getting a credit card from Bank Of America. Oh and yes they unilaterally send you policy changes occasionally, and yes they are binding.

Don't bother trying to find a relevent or applicable law. The courts have already done it. Go to G.o.o.g.l.e. DOT c.o.m and search for piracy lawsuits filed and won by d**. :busy:

lawnchair13
10-27-2007, 02:14 AM
Apt more than flawed, but who cares... You seem like the guy that believes "No lifeguard on Duty, Swim at Your Own Risk" is legally binding. Quit using your mother's Handycap Placard.

I've googled D* law suites and they've lost more than they've won and the only suites they've won involve Hacked cards and Scanner equipment. Go figure...:confused:

And I don't recall signing anything other than equipment delivery and it says nothing about anything other than the fact that the equipment was delivered and installed to my satisfaction. What'd they make you sign?

CACougar
10-27-2007, 02:36 AM
:eek:

I remember when Hughes, along with others, spent millions on lobbyists to change the law. The law use to be clear that anything broadcast through the air was in the public domain. They could have simply made it too difficult to convert the scrambled signal but instead funded the elimination of another one of our freedoms. I'm not advocating shoplifting or theft of tangible property.

In fact the poster is not stealing anything, he pays a portion of the bill and for the additional receiver. If he were renting a room in the same house or even living in an in-law house at the same address it wouldn't be an issue so why is an address change so different? Just like Family Plans in the Cell Phone market. It doesn't cost the company to broadcast to additional receivers. The implied "loss" to the company assumes that the "stolen" broadcast would have been purchased had the offender not been able to aquire it otherwise. How can that be proven? The company could be losing nothing, and is in fact collecting for the additional receiver - so where's the theft?

You are wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

They do scramble the symbol but people circumvented it. There was a multimillion dollar piracy industry that D** finally beat after spending tens of millions! Which should have been spent on HD. And yes this was real money that D** lost. Money spent fighting the pirates, lost subscriptions and R&D money spent to stay ahead of the pirates.

If I rent you a room in my house and you in turn rent another empty room or even the closet in your own room to your sister you certainly are in violation of your lease. I currently rent out the downstairs studio of my house, I guarantee you it would be a big issue for me and I would throw out the squatter immediately and evict the tenant as soon as legally possible.

Implied loss? Just because you don't have to run a cable from your neighbors house to yours doesn't mean you aren't stealing. By your reasoning if I shoplift it doesn't mean I would otherwise buy the item anyway. So it is okay to shoplift as long as you never had any intention of paying for the item otherwise. :confused:

I don't care if you steal D** signal. Just don't try to justify it ...because you can't. :busy:

lawnchair13
10-27-2007, 02:42 AM
You are wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

They do scramble the symbol but people circumvented it. There was a multimillion dollar piracy industry that D** finally beat after spending tens of millions! Which should have been spent on HD. And yes this was real money that D** lost. Money spent fighting the pirates, lost subscriptions and R&D money spent to stay ahead of the pirates.

If I rent you a room in my house and you in turn rent another empty room or even the closet in your own room to your sister you certainly are in violation of your lease. I currently rent out the downstairs studio of my house, I guarantee you it would be a big issue for me and I would throw out the squatter immediately and evict the tenant as soon as legally possible.

Implied loss? Just because you don't have to run a cable from your neighbors house to yours doesn't mean you aren't stealing. By your reasoning if I shoplift it doesn't mean I would otherwise buy the item anyway. So it is okay to shoplift as long as you never had any intention of paying for the item otherwise. :confused:

I don't care if you steal D** signal. Just don't try to justify it ...because you can't. :busy:

Dude, are you on crack? Don't drink the Kool-aid!!!

CACougar
10-27-2007, 03:05 AM
Apt more than flawed, but who cares... You seem like the guy that believes "No lifeguard on Duty, Swim at Your Own Risk" is legally binding. Quit using your mother's Handycap Placard.

I've googled D* law suites and they've lost more than they've won and the only suites they've won involve Hacked cards and Scanner equipment. Go figure...:confused:

And I don't recall signing anything other than equipment delivery and it says nothing about anything other than the fact that the equipment was delivered and installed to my satisfaction. What'd they make you sign?

Please don't get me started on Negligence or Legal Liability issues. These are totally irrelevent to this topic. We are talking about contract law and theft.

http://www.directvdefense.org/help/AL-CA.shtml
As soon as D** files a lawsuit against you, you have already lost. Look at the atty fees and retainers charged. The average lawsuit settled with direct tv was $10,000. And now that the hacked cards have been defeated guess what D** is going to target next. Although I think they will use technology and not the court room to defeat this loophole in their system. Although, short of some type of GPS system I can't see how they can beat it.

You signed for delivery and agreed to be bound by their rules which arrived by mail at a later date. mmmm.....much like the credit card companies do it. :busy:

CACougar
10-27-2007, 03:08 AM
Dude, are you on crack? Don't drink the Kool-aid!!!

Chair, Is that all you've got!
ROTFLMAO (tribute to Rightcoaster)

rightcoaster
10-27-2007, 04:42 AM
Apt more than flawed, but who cares... You seem like the guy that believes "No lifeguard on Duty, Swim at Your Own Risk" is legally binding. Quit using your mother's Handycap Placard.

I've googled D* law suites and they've lost more than they've won and the only suites they've won involve Hacked cards and Scanner equipment. Go figure...:confused:

And I don't recall signing anything other than equipment delivery and it says nothing about anything other than the fact that the equipment was delivered and installed to my satisfaction. What'd they make you sign?

Cougar,
I think we've wasted enough time on lawnchair. Here's the quotation that applies:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing...

...It wastes your time and annoys the pig."


Nonetheless, I can't help but comment that there's nothing handy about a handicap and if you trash a hotel suite, you're likely to find yourself in a lawsuit.:roflmao:

lawnchair13
10-27-2007, 12:44 PM
It seems that the customer agreement actually does cover this scenario and as it turns out, as long as it’s not being done “for profit” it doesn’t violate the Customer Agreement we “signed”, but thanks for the Holier than thou approach, it was a blast...

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P400042

:haha:

rightcoaster
10-27-2007, 12:54 PM
It seems that the customer agreement actually does cover this scenario and as it turns out, as long as it’s not being done “for profit” it doesn’t violate the Customer Agreement we “signed”, but thanks for the Holier than thou approach, it was a blast...

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P400042

:haha:


Splitting the bill with a pirate = profit
Renting out about six receivers = profit

Right you are, this scheme is clearly illegal.

lawnchair13
10-27-2007, 01:13 PM
She has about 6 receivers that she is renting out/leasing...

Now how did I miss that?:banghead:

But your use of the word "pirate" is misplaced. In this situation the Account holder is the pirate not the end user. The end user becomes a Conspirator.

Albertn83
10-29-2007, 12:00 PM
How is it going Fellows!

Well i never thought this would turn out into a big issue...lol...oh well...

Anyway...the installation of the Slimline 5lnb was successful...thank you for the info you guys provided...it was a big help...it was actually pretty easy...i just pointed the dish the same way the 3lnb was and it worked!

All satellites where at 90%+ except satellite 99(b), i couldn't get any signal of that sat...but i research it and well those are my local HD Ch's...but im receiving those off the 103 sat's...so i guess there is no need for that sat in my area...

Ones again...THANK YOU GUY!

rightcoaster
10-29-2007, 12:27 PM
How is it going Fellows!

Well i never thought this would turn out into a big issue...lol...oh well...

Anyway...the installation of the Slimline 5lnb was successful...thank you for the info you guys provided...it was a big help...it was actually pretty easy...i just pointed the dish the same way the 3lnb was and it worked!

All satellites where at 90%+ except satellite 99(b), i couldn't get any signal of that sat...but i research it and well those are my local HD Ch's...but im receiving those off the 103 sat's...so i guess there is no need for that sat in my area...

Ones again...THANK YOU GUY!

Glad to see your conscience isn't bothering you too much.

Gotta go and look up something in the dictionary.

I found it:

so·ci·o·path Pronunciation[soh-see-uh-path] –noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.:eek:

OK, I get it!

deadhead68
10-29-2007, 12:34 PM
How is it going Fellows!

Well i never thought this would turn out into a big issue...lol...oh well...

Anyway...the installation of the Slimline 5lnb was successful...thank you for the info you guys provided...it was a big help...it was actually pretty easy...i just pointed the dish the same way the 3lnb was and it worked!

All satellites where at 90%+ except satellite 99(b), i couldn't get any signal of that sat...but i research it and well those are my local HD Ch's...but im receiving those off the 103 sat's...so i guess there is no need for that sat in my area...

Ones again...THANK YOU GUY!

Really glad this forum was able to assist you with theft of services. :(

DeadHead68

CACougar
10-29-2007, 01:25 PM
It seems that the customer agreement actually does cover this scenario and as it turns out, as long as it’s not being done “for profit” it doesn’t violate the Customer Agreement we “signed”, but thanks for the Holier than thou approach, it was a blast...

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P400042

:haha:

It's pretty clear that it is a violation of the agreement. Doesn't matter how easy D** makes it to circumvent their rules. Ethically you are still stealing profit from D**. And just like shoplifting you affect the rest of the honest consumers. :busy:

(f) Phone Connections. .... You agree to provide true and accurate information about the location of your receivers. ... if it is determined that the receiver is not at the location identified on your account, we may disconnect the receiver or charge you the full programming subscription price for the receiver.

(3) Additional TV Authorization Fee: If you meet the qualifications described in Section 1(f), we may charge you a monthly fee of up to $4.99 for separate Services on each additional TV, rather than a full subscription fee for Services on each additional TV. This reduced rate is available only if all receivers are located at your residence.

CACougar
10-29-2007, 01:35 PM
How is it going Fellows!

Well i never thought this would turn out into a big issue...lol...oh well...

Anyway...the installation of the Slimline 5lnb was successful...thank you for the info you guys provided...it was a big help...it was actually pretty easy...i just pointed the dish the same way the 3lnb was and it worked!

All satellites where at 90%+ except satellite 99(b), i couldn't get any signal of that sat...but i research it and well those are my local HD Ch's...but im receiving those off the 103 sat's...so i guess there is no need for that sat in my area...

Ones again...THANK YOU GUY!

Guy is one of the most technically skilled in the forum. He is a great resource and is always willing to help. :busy:

CACougar
10-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Really glad this forum was able to assist you with theft of services. :(

DeadHead68

so·ci·o·path Pronunciation[soh-see-uh-path] –noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.:eek:

Are we sociopaths for helping Albert? :busy:

rightcoaster
10-29-2007, 06:06 PM
so·ci·o·path Pronunciation[soh-see-uh-path] –noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.:eek:

Are we sociopaths for helping Albert? :busy:

Well I don't know Cougar, do you feel badly when you do bad things? What did your mother tell you when you were naughty? How did that make you feel? Are you sorry now that my kids have less food, just because Albert raised the cost of my D* service?:confused:

Some questions you just have to answer for yourself.;)

lawnchair13
10-29-2007, 06:13 PM
Albert raised the cost of my D* service?:confused:

Some questions you just have to answer for yourself.;)

No one raised the cost of your service but D*.:2cents

rightcoaster
10-29-2007, 06:55 PM
No one raised the cost of your service but D*.:2cents

Right you are. He defrauded and still is defrauding D* of revenue, thereby raising everyone's bill. We've disussed that to death already.
:horse:

The lighthearted and humorous nature of my tounge-in-cheek reply to Cougar seems to have passed several feet above your head.:what: Take a chill pill.