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Bluray or HD/DVD? Thanks...

Seabreeze
10-16-2007, 09:06 AM
I went into Best Buy to look at Tv's and also check out the DVD Players. Left more confused than ever! The salesman advised that I buy Bluray, as it was more popular, had more titles and Blockbuster was carrying Bluray DVD's......

I was also told that I could play my DVD's in the Blueray player and it would improve or enhance the quality of my DVD's..... It's really important that I get a player that plays my DVD's.... I have a collection that has grown to almost 800 DVD's, maybe even more.....So as you will understand, those cannot be discarded......

I don't want to buy two DVD players, it seems like the Beta VHS war that took place years ago! Why can't they just have a board meeting and come out with one version? Talk about confusing the consumer!

So what's your vote and why? Bluray or HD/DVD.....
Thanks everyone, in advance.....

Codes20
10-16-2007, 09:30 AM
Wrong forum, but it seems like that Best Buy guy was favoring Blu-ray (yet at my store, we can't keep HD-DVD players in stock). Is one better than the other? Depends who you ask...

z28rod
10-16-2007, 09:32 AM
HDDVD is winning the price war, toshiba hddvd players are out there new for 199.........

unotis
10-16-2007, 09:35 AM
Although someone might tell you you posted your question in the wrong section, I'll try to help.

Insofar as Blu-Ray being more popular, it is and it isn't, it does slightly out sell HD DVD in the DVDs sales but only around 1 to 1.5.

In stand-alone DVD players HD DVD has sold many more units and they are much less expensive (that is not including the PS3 game console which can play Blu-Ray movies, although the attach rate is very poor and it costs $399).

The Blu-Ray players available right now do not meet the basic 1.1 spec standards which means the will not be able to play many of the new features coming out on the future Blu-Ray discs and it seems according to the Blu-Ray insiders they will not be able to be updated to do this either (they don't have the required hardware installed).

The good news is that soon there will be 1.1 compliant players available, the first one out very soon is the LG dual format player (which will be able to play both Blu-Ray and HD DVDs) it will cost somewhere around $1000 maybe you will be able to get for a little less. The other new 1.1 compliant Blu-Ray players have not had their prices announced and they should be available within the next couple of months or so.

If you decide on a HD DVD player there are several available, the one I particularly like is the Toshiba XA2, perhaps the finest upscaling DVD player available and a fantastic audiophile quality CD player also. You can get that one for around $500 and maybe a little less soon. There are some other HD DVD players that can be purchased for as little as $199 right now and all HD DVD players will come with 5 to 7 free HD DVDs (unless that has changed) which I don't think it has.

Good luck! :hithere:

GLOW
10-16-2007, 10:20 AM
READ THIS POST BEFORE DECIDING

Blu-ray players will upscale your DVD's to HD quality.

Blu-ray has more studio support. You won't ever be able to buy/rent any Fox, Fox Searchlight, Sony, Columbia/Tristar, Disney, Buena Vista, Touchstone, old Miramax, Lions Gate, etc movies on HD DVD.

Blu-ray has support from many high-end consumer electronics companies while HD DVD has 2.

Should I keep going? :D

mshulman
10-16-2007, 10:28 AM
Blu-ray players will upscale your DVD's to HD quality.

HD DVD will upscale as well. Neither brings them to HD quality, but it does significantly improve the quality


Blu-ray has more studio support. You won't ever be able to buy/rent any Fox, Fox Searchlight, Sony, Columbia/Tristar, Disney, Buena Vista, Touchstone, old Miramax, Lions Gate, etc movies on HD DVD.

Simply untrue. Even today, you can get some of these movies on HD DVD in the US if you import. And you can be certain that if HD DVD wins, then all of the above studios (even Sony) will eventually release on HD DVD



Blu-ray has support from many high-end consumer electronics companies while HD DVD has 2.

Should I keep going? :D

HD DVD has additional support as well. And its more likely to grow. This isn't much of an advantage today anyway since any winner will eventually get all support.



I'd suggest looking at the available movie titles. Figure out which ones are most important to you. Also figure out which you can afford. Then make your choice.

Both is really the best choice. And you could probably start with HD DVD and later pick up a blu-ray player and the total spent could still be less then buying a blu-ray player today.

anythingwt
10-16-2007, 10:42 AM
Mshulman beat me to it.. I feel both is the best by far. Sure it costs a bit more, but this is our hobby! To invest 700-1000 on an HD DVD player and a blu-ray player is way easier on the wallet than some of the other hobbies out there[cars, designer clothes, the bar every weekend, etc] Its totally worth it to have the ability to buy all HD content released.

Bigloww
10-16-2007, 10:43 AM
I am sure many will slam Glow's post, so I won't bother.

Bottom line, both are very good and produce excellent HD quality and SD upconversion capability. Since you are buying 3 top of the line TV's amonst other high tech AV gadgets, I would consider both. HD DVD is also Paramount and Universal (2 MAJOR) exclusives, so you may want to have all the seletion. Since you are planning on getting a PS3, you will have Blue Ray covered (at least in the game room). You can get a very good Toshiba HD DVD player for around $250 or the Top Shelf XA2 (recommended for your killer TV's) for around $550-$600 plus 5 free HD DVD's.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-XA2-1080p-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000M6XKEK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-1514990-3102013?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192552623&sr=8-1
You may also want to look into a good HD DVD and Blue Ray combo player if you want it all in your main room.
http://www.amazon.com/LG-BH100-High-definition-Blu-ray-player/dp/B000QDDZPI/ref=sr_1_5/105-1514990-3102013?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1192552803&sr=1-5

unotis
10-16-2007, 12:24 PM
Bigloww posted about the same thing I did.

All very true and there is not any reason to slam GLOW's post, he is just first and foremost a Blu-Ray supporter so you need to take any of his advice with a grain of salt.

Most of us will try to actually be helpful even it means you get a Blu-Ray player instead of a HD DVD player or the other way around.

Good luck! :hithere:

Rich_Guy
10-16-2007, 09:10 PM
I am planning to purchase a new high def DVD soon as well. I am still undecided because of both the format war and also if I buy a player now I know a recorder will come out right after I get a player only. This also makes me also consider a player/recorder in my computer. But I think I might get a stand alone player and maybe later get a recorder/player in my computer once prices have dropped more.

Like I said I still have not made up my mind BluRay vs HD DVD but I am leaning toward BluRay at this point. I think one thing I like best about BluyRay is the much larger size, BluRay is 50gb compared to HD DVD's 30gb. When it comes to having a recordable computer DVD I'd much rather have the 50gb.

Right now I am having a hard time resisting a Panasonic BluRay at CC which comes with 10 BluRay movies, 5 movies in the box and a mail in offer for another 5 movies, this is tempting me :)

cheezz
10-17-2007, 12:12 PM
I am planning to purchase a new high def DVD soon as well. I am still undecided because of both the format war and also if I buy a player now I know a recorder will come out right after I get a player only. This also makes me also consider a player/recorder in my computer. But I think I might get a stand alone player and maybe later get a recorder/player in my computer once prices have dropped more.

Like I said I still have not made up my mind BluRay vs HD DVD but I am leaning toward BluRay at this point. I think one thing I like best about BluyRay is the much larger size, BluRay is 50gb compared to HD DVD's 30gb. When it comes to having a recordable computer DVD I'd much rather have the 50gb.

Right now I am having a hard time resisting a Panasonic BluRay at CC which comes with 10 BluRay movies, 5 movies in the box and a mail in offer for another 5 movies, this is tempting me :)

This is exactly my predicament so far. But honestly, I was leaning towards the HD-A35 and the sonovagun disappeared from BB site. Blockbuster only rents out BD disks, tho. Dual formats looks good but way too expensive. So the wait continues. I think we're in for the long haul as far as which format is going to win.

cheezz

Clownbaby
10-17-2007, 02:48 PM
I'm an HD DVD guy but used to be a Blu-Ray guy before. I loved the idea of blu-ray at first but Toshiba came out with hd dvd and it was very impressive. I liked the pricepoint and the first Samsung did a very poor job and was too expensive for something that wasn't as good as a player half the price.

Right now, I see it as too close to call. But one thing I like about HD DVD is that Toshiba makes a promise and keeps that promise. Where for Blu ray, they can't even get their specs right. Top of that, all current players, except the PS3 and maybe the Sony 300, have to replaced because they don't meet the 1.1 requirement. That is going to piss off a lot of original bluray supporters. Spending $1g and having to change the system is not a joke. Even if its our hobby.

See all the things and read all the posts and find out whats more reliable and see who's had more reliable success so far and you shall have your decisions. Also, don't worry about the movies because you can Import alot of the bluray movies so you'll be fine.

Clownbaby
10-17-2007, 02:50 PM
This is exactly my predicament so far. But honestly, I was leaning towards the HD-A35 and the sonovagun disappeared from BB site. Blockbuster only rents out BD disks, tho. Dual formats looks good but way too expensive. So the wait continues. I think we're in for the long haul as far as which format is going to win.

cheezz

Just so you know, some blockbusters are carrying hd dvd's also got words that canada blockbusters are carrying hd dvds all over as they did not choose to pick one format. Also blockbuster has hd dvds online just like netflix. :thumbsup:

cheezz
10-17-2007, 06:44 PM
Just so you know, some blockbusters are carrying hd dvd's also got words that canada blockbusters are carrying hd dvds all over as they did not choose to pick one format. Also blockbuster has hd dvds online just like netflix. :thumbsup:

I read somewhere that they chose the BD format. Checked with blockbuster online and they only show BD. Arrrrgh...that sux.

cheezz

unotis
10-20-2007, 09:48 AM
I read somewhere that they chose the BD format. Checked with blockbuster online and they only show BD. Arrrrgh...that sux.

cheezz

I rent quite a few HD DVDs from Blockbuster online so you must not have looked hard enough.

I will admit they are easier to find on Netflix, it is just website layout on Blockbuster is harder to get use to but once you figure it out it becomes easy.

cheezz
10-20-2007, 11:49 AM
I rent quite a few HD DVDs from Blockbuster online so you must not have looked hard enough.

I will admit they are easier to find on Netflix, it is just website layout on Blockbuster is harder to get use to but once you figure it out it becomes easy.

Thanx, will do some research a little farther.

cheezz

Gideon
10-20-2007, 02:18 PM
I am planning to purchase a new high def DVD soon as well. I am still undecided because of both the format war and also if I buy a player now I know a recorder will come out right after I get a player only. This also makes me also consider a player/recorder in my computer. But I think I might get a stand alone player and maybe later get a recorder/player in my computer once prices have dropped more.

Like I said I still have not made up my mind BluRay vs HD DVD but I am leaning toward BluRay at this point. I think one thing I like best about BluyRay is the much larger size, BluRay is 50gb compared to HD DVD's 30gb. When it comes to having a recordable computer DVD I'd much rather have the 50gb.

Right now I am having a hard time resisting a Panasonic BluRay at CC which comes with 10 BluRay movies, 5 movies in the box and a mail in offer for another 5 movies, this is tempting me :)

The two highlighted areas are what I wanted to point out!

First, The DVD forum is finalizing the approval for the new 51 Gig Twin format discs.
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=53870 IMO I believe these will start being used next year. So- if space is your deciding factor (then it isnt a very big reason) Besides, most of the BR movies to date are are 25 gig. The "extra" space on a BR disc just hasnt materialized that much.

As for the free movies- You may not be able to get 10 movies like you do with the panasonic, but you will get 7 with HD DVD. Thats only 3 less titles and you will make up for that easily with the price point of the Panasonic compared to the Toshiba.

Rich_Guy
10-20-2007, 05:42 PM
The larger size would not really matter to me as far as movies both are large enough for a movie. The larger size would impress me most on a DVD burner in my computer which is where a 50gig recordable disk would be very nice.

I have heard of but not see any 7 disk offers for HD DVD not that I have looked. The Panasonic BluRay has 5 disks in the box which would be a nice start and then 5 more by mail. Circuit City only offers 5 disks in the mail with HD DVD.

Two other things leading me more toward this Panasonic BluRay (1) I prefer Panasonic over Toshiba, this is just my own preference nothing against Toshiba. (2) The Panasonic BluRay is 7.1 audio while the others I see are only 5.1 audio and since my system is 7.1 I would much rather have the 7.1

Bad Bazza
10-20-2007, 08:01 PM
I went into Best Buy to look at Tv's and also check out the DVD Players. Left more confused than ever! The salesman advised that I buy Bluray, as it was more popular, had more titles and Blockbuster was carrying Bluray DVD's......

I was also told that I could play my DVD's in the Blueray player and it would improve or enhance the quality of my DVD's..... It's really important that I get a player that plays my DVD's.... I have a collection that has grown to almost 800 DVD's, maybe even more.....So as you will understand, those cannot be discarded......

I don't want to buy two DVD players, it seems like the Beta VHS war that took place years ago! Why can't they just have a board meeting and come out with one version? Talk about confusing the consumer!

So what's your vote and why? Bluray or HD/DVD.....
Thanks everyone, in advance.....

The format war is going to be around for a while yet, if your concerned about upscaling your current DVD libary and dont want to take the risk of buying a Blu-ray or HD-DVD incase one looses then for about $140 you can buy a 1080p upscaling DVD player then wait a couple of years to see who wins the war, and they will be cheaper then to buy.

cheezz
10-21-2007, 03:44 PM
Yo folks...need your honest opinion. Which will go better with my KDL46XBR2 to take advantage of its capabilities:
HD-A30, HD-A35, or the HD-XA2?

unotis
10-21-2007, 03:57 PM
Yo folks...need your honest opinion. Which will go better with my KDL46XBR2 to take advantage of its capabilities:
HD-A30, HD-A35, or the HD-XA2?

I'm not an expert but, my vote would be the XA2, it has the Reon chip and from what I've heard is the very best upscaler now available.

I know I love my XA1 and the XA2 is just a improvement on it. :D

z28rod
10-21-2007, 04:20 PM
Xa2

mshulman
10-21-2007, 04:32 PM
The format war is going to be around for a while yet, if your concerned about upscaling your current DVD libary and dont want to take the risk of buying a Blu-ray or HD-DVD incase one looses then for about $140 you can buy a 1080p upscaling DVD player then wait a couple of years to see who wins the war, and they will be cheaper then to buy.

And for only $60 more, you can get a 1080i HD DVD player and actually watch in HD. It also upscales great too.

Personally, I see no reason to continue with DVD's in any manner. Get a new player and rent if you are concnerned about investing in either format.

Rich_Guy
10-21-2007, 11:03 PM
OK I broke down today and bought the Panasonic DMP-BD10A BluRay. Looks and sounds excellent, playing the Pirates of the Caribbean, Deadman's Chest DVD one of the disks that came with the player. I haven't tried a std DVD disk yet I will compare it to the quality of my std Sony DVD player later. I will report back on the results of the comparison.

I bought it at CC for $549 ($50 off) I could have gotten a better price online but I wanted to be sure I got a unit with the 5 movies included in the box. I understand some are not packaged with the 5 free movies and since the online sellers did not mention any movies included in the box only the 5 by mail, I did not want to take the chance so I bought it from CC. I still get to send for the other 5 free movies by mail.

Definitely a nice player now long live BluRay I hope LOL.