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BDA Responds To TL51 Announcement

Lee Stewart
09-14-2007, 11:45 AM
The Blu-ray Disc Association has responded to claims that the HD DVD Promotional Group is to release triple-layer 51GB HD DVD discs. Frank Simonis, chairman of the BDA, told Tech.co.uk that he is not surprised by the announcement and that the HD DVD Group is reacting to the market instead of leading it.

Simonis indicated a belief that the HD DVD Group's BD-trumping 51GB disc announcement is purely a publicity stunt.

Publicity stunt?

"I'm not surprised at all," he told us. "But we believe they are very much in a reactive mood. Based on their format one would expect that a triple layer disc is three times a HD DVD single layer adding up to 45 GB. Now suddenly they change it to 51GB for promotional reasons.

"Secondly I have not heard anything about a production line for this odd format. When are they going to start making these discs?"

Simonis also said that the BDA is dubious as to whether existing HD DVD players will be able to read these new 3-layer discs which have 2GB per layer more than the original format.

"You better ask them," he said, "I question it, however, very much."

Tech.co.uk asked Simonis whether the 51GB HD DVD disc proposal is a threat to the Blu-ray format which has a maximum dual-layer capacity of 50GB.

"BD 50GB production is running already for some time on high volume with a two layer concept. There are currently lots of companies producing BD products compatible with 50GB capacity. No news yet from the HD DVD production lines."

The HD DVD Promotional Group, however, assures us that this disc is legit. And unofficial whispers coming out of the HD DVD camp suggest that existing HD DVD players will be able to use the new discs - possibly after a firmware upgrade. More news when we get it.

http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/high-definition/news/blu-ray-camp-responds-to-51gb-hd-dvd-claims?articleid=722237102

Superman
09-14-2007, 11:48 AM
Im so surprised.

gallandro
09-14-2007, 11:49 AM
So using Sony logic, when they (Sony) announced the 50GB version of the Blu-Ray disc they were actually themselves engaging in a publicity stunt... geez.

God I wish I had been that reporter...


Yancy

killacal1982
09-14-2007, 11:49 AM
The Blu-ray Disc Association has responded to claims that the HD DVD Promotional Group is to release triple-layer 51GB HD DVD discs. Frank Simonis, chairman of the BDA, told Tech.co.uk that he is not surprised by the announcement and that the HD DVD Group is reacting to the market instead of leading it.

Simonis indicated a belief that the HD DVD Group's BD-trumping 51GB disc announcement is purely a publicity stunt.

Publicity stunt?

"I'm not surprised at all," he told us. "But we believe they are very much in a reactive mood. Based on their format one would expect that a triple layer disc is three times a HD DVD single layer adding up to 45 GB. Now suddenly they change it to 51GB for promotional reasons.

"Secondly I have not heard anything about a production line for this odd format. When are they going to start making these discs?"

Simonis also said that the BDA is dubious as to whether existing HD DVD players will be able to read these new 3-layer discs which have 2GB per layer more than the original format.

"You better ask them," he said, "I question it, however, very much."

Tech.co.uk asked Simonis whether the 51GB HD DVD disc proposal is a threat to the Blu-ray format which has a maximum dual-layer capacity of 50GB.

"BD 50GB production is running already for some time on high volume with a two layer concept. There are currently lots of companies producing BD products compatible with 50GB capacity. No news yet from the HD DVD production lines."

The HD DVD Promotional Group, however, assures us that this disc is legit. And unofficial whispers coming out of the HD DVD camp suggest that existing HD DVD players will be able to use the new discs - possibly after a firmware upgrade. More news when we get it.

http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/high-definition/news/blu-ray-camp-responds-to-51gb-hd-dvd-claims?articleid=722237102

Someone is drinking the hatorade today!

Lee Stewart
09-14-2007, 11:52 AM
CONCERNING THE ISSUE OF PLAYING ON HD DVD PLAYERS:

FROM KOSTY AT AVS:

consider he' s given at least 4 interviews representing Toshiba's Optical Storage Unit - he is the Chief Engineer from Toshiba's Optical Storage Unit, seperate from their consumers products group

he is the HMFIC of TL development

he apparently is sanctioned as a official spokesperson

http://www.heweek.co.uk/?i=1760&s=1111

http://www.hometheaterblog.com/homet...ba_moving.html

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=62615

http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/i...em=6639&page=2

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6639

Lee Stewart
09-14-2007, 11:54 AM
Notice NOTHING on the TL Twin from the BDA. Both the TL Twin AND the TL51 were part of the announcement that the BDA is responding to.:D

Nikopol
09-14-2007, 12:45 PM
betanews (http://www.betanews.com/article/Toshiba_DVD_Forum_Hasnt_Yet_Approved_Final_51_GB_H D_DVD_After_All/1189716943)
This link gets passed around by the blue side of life as evidence, that TL51 is still just vaporware

Toshiba: DVD Forum Hasn't Yet Approved Final 51 GB HD DVD After All
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
September 13, 2007, 4:55 PM

In a statement to BetaNews this afternoon, a Toshiba spokesperson said that only a preliminary version of Toshiba's 51 GB three-layer, single-sided HD DVD format had been approved by the DVD Forum, caretaker of HD DVD.

As it turned out, and as Toshiba's spokespersons may have only just now realized, the DVD Forum signed off on a preliminary specification, which may have been confused for the final specification because its version number is 1.9.

"We understand that the preliminary version (1.9) of the physical specifications for the triple-layer 51 GB HD DVD-ROM disc has been approved," said Toshiba's spokesperson today.

The spokesperson then added that it has not yet been determined whether current HD DVD players or recorders will be able to use the new format, which the headline of an official Toshiba statement given to BetaNews today is now calling "Trip-Layer." "Toshiba will study the performance of current HD DVD player/recorders with the disc after the standard receives final approval by the DVD Forum."

That last part is a pretty clear indication that final approval was not granted, contrary to our earlier report based on industry news that cited sources with a stake in the format.

The formal Toshiba statement reads as follows: "We welcome the DVD Forum Steering Committee's decision to approve the preliminary version (Version 1.9) of the physical specifications for the triple-layer 51 GB HD DVD-ROM disc. This decision reinforces the fact that HD DVD is capable of offering a range of capacities due to the flexible nature of the format and provides studios with even greater options for creating high definition content. With extended capacities, studios can meet their future needs for releases that may require more storage."

Toshiba's admission today is the first genuine admission from the company that work on engineering the final "Trip-Layer" format has actually not been completed, as was previously believed.

Gideon
09-14-2007, 01:13 PM
Im sorry, but anybody who dosent see this as hypocritical nonsense has a loose screw in the head.

Simonis indicated a belief that the HD DVD Group's BD-trumping 51GB disc announcement is purely a publicity stunt.
DUHH! Everyone learned this trick from you SONY!!

Nuff said.

Super XP
09-14-2007, 02:21 PM
And this is one reason Sony & people that support BD are just scrambling for ways to prolong HD DVD adoption with bogus press releases & articles.

Who started this "More Capacity Garbage" in the first place LOL? BD did LOL,

Sony has been talking about there large capacity for some time now, telling everybody that its superior to HD DVD, and yet with HD DVD’s smaller storage capabilities, HD DVD has the “EXTRAS” and many “ADVANCED FEATURE RICH” interactive content. Oh, but Blu-Ray’s hold more. Yes, but they lack all that HD DVD has to offer.

I wonder how long BD will spin this. Until they fall flat on there face?

Lee Stewart
09-14-2007, 02:44 PM
And this is one reason Sony & people that support BD are just scrambling for ways to prolong HD DVD adoption with bogus press releases & articles.

Who started this "More Capacity Garbage" in the first place LOL? BD did LOL,

Sony has been talking about there large capacity for some time now, telling everybody that its superior to HD DVD, and yet with HD DVD’s smaller storage capabilities, HD DVD has the “EXTRAS” and many “ADVANCED FEATURE RICH” interactive content. Oh, but Blu-Ray’s hold more. Yes, but they lack all that HD DVD has to offer.

I wonder how long BD will spin this. Until they fall flat on there face?

But they have put the more storage to use. They offer many more HD Audio titles then HD DVD does. This is a fact. Nothing more.

Yet overseas - they are using HD Audio on HD DVD releases where here in the USA they don't. Go figure.

junehhan
09-14-2007, 09:31 PM
Before they critisize the TL51 disc, perhaps they need to take a look at the recent reports that show that their own BD50 discs arn't achieving very good yields.

Super XP
09-14-2007, 10:35 PM
Before they critisize the TL51 disc, perhaps they need to take a look at the recent reports that show that their own BD50 discs arn't achieving very good yields.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear that from Warner or something? That would make for a really good article :D

BobY
09-14-2007, 10:56 PM
An interesting concept--

Maybe everyone will just start pushing out numbers without regard to yield--after all if Sony can pretend BD-50 is a real product with such low yields and the majority of Blu-Ray films on BD-25, why not HD DVD-70? Can the yield be that much worse?

AtomicAge
09-15-2007, 04:35 AM
An interesting concept--

Maybe everyone will just start pushing out numbers without regard to yield--after all if Sony can pretend BD-50 is a real product with such low yields and the majority of Blu-Ray films on BD-25, why not HD DVD-70? Can the yield be that much worse?

What about Super HD DVD 70. Kinda like Super Panavision 70. Got a nice ring too it. :D

Doug