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Native On or Off...

HDTVFreak
09-13-2007, 04:19 PM
I have Native set to on for my Samsung HDTV. I can't stand the way the screen goes blue and then back on. Is there any really noticeably differences in picture? And if I was to set Native off, should I have it on 720p or 1080i? I'm leaning towards 1080i but how will sports really look when they're actually in 720p?

texasbrit
09-13-2007, 04:49 PM
Is your TV a 720/768p TV or a 1080p TV?

HDTVFreak
09-13-2007, 05:03 PM
Is your TV a 720/768p TV or a 1080p TV?

My tv is 1080p.

mystic7
09-13-2007, 05:32 PM
I know what you mean, when I had mine set to native, every time I changed the channel, the tv display would show which input I was tuned to, so I set it back off. I keep it on 1080i. I don't notice any difference in pq with channels that broadcast in 720p.

tumblingdice03
09-13-2007, 05:42 PM
I too set mine to off and set to 1080i

HDTVFreak
09-13-2007, 06:13 PM
Thanks.

broke
09-13-2007, 07:39 PM
I have mine on cause come football time 1080i sucks. 720p for fast moving......1080i for sitcoms

reds1963
09-14-2007, 10:07 AM
hmmmmmmm i must try this during football this weekend , i have always just left mine off ....it just might make the DILA look even better then it does..hehehe

mickey79
09-14-2007, 10:27 AM
I think in a week's time I would have posted the exact same Question. I have the Panasonic 50" TH-50PX60U Plasma TV. 720p/1080i supported.

Thus far I was with Time Warner, and due to just the few HD Channels - I left the "Native" equivalent "On" - which of course caused that transition screen & delay that Mystic7 is talking about. I didn't mind it then because there were just a few HD Channels.

Now with DirecTV, there'll be a lot more HD Channels I'll be watching. And I'm Concerned that leaving Native "On" will cause that Delay/Transition Screen Lag every time I switch channels - I know it will get annoying.

I don't watch Sports very much - But sports isn't the only with "fast-moving" scenes. Movies, regular shows also have fast moving action & scenes. I have my DVD Player set to 720p and the PQ is awesome. My XBOX360 is set to 1080i, and again PQ is awesome.
I can't decide for my upcoming DirecTV though - What do you good folks recommend? Do you think I'll get best setting Native "Off" and keeping it at 1080i?

Thanks!

mystic7
09-14-2007, 11:15 AM
I intend to keep my settings as is. And we have the same TV, btw. Awesome PQ, right?

mickey79
09-14-2007, 11:48 AM
I intend to keep my settings as is. And we have the same TV, btw. Awesome PQ, right?

PQ is awesome!! I love my set. That was one of the best investments I made earlier this year. Got a damn good deal at Circuit City too.

So you keep it at 1080i? And PQ is great - even for native 720p stations? If so, I'll do the same!

PS: Just wondering if there's a source (apart from of course checking it out on your TV by setting it to native) to find out which stations broadcast in 720p and which ones do in 1080i?

Thanks!

DRWhite
09-14-2007, 11:51 AM
So am I better off with NATIVE on or off to get the fastest response time ? Right now I have it on. But I'll set it to whichever helps update my screen the fastest. Thanks. Oh, I have a 1080p Sony LCD btw.

mystic7
09-14-2007, 12:29 PM
PQ is awesome!! I love my set. That was one of the best investments I made earlier this year. Got a damn good deal at Circuit City too.

So you keep it at 1080i? And PQ is great - even for native 720p stations? If so, I'll do the same!

PS: Just wondering if there's a source (apart from of course checking it out on your TV by setting it to native) to find out which stations broadcast in 720p and which ones do in 1080i?

Thanks!

I paid $1900.00 at CC for mine in Feb., how about you? Yes, I keep everything (HD-DVD player too) at 1080i. Whether it upconverts 720p stations like ESPN, I don't know. I DO know, however, that 720p broadcasts like FOX and ESPN don't show the artifacting that 1080i broadcasts like NBC does. If I'm not mistaken, CBS, NBC and Discovery HD Theater all broadcast in 1080i, the rest of the current HD lineup in 720p. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the other guy, setting Native to OFF is faster.

mickey79
09-14-2007, 01:23 PM
I paid $1900.00 at CC for mine in Feb., how about you? Yes, I keep everything (HD-DVD player too) at 1080i. Whether it upconverts 720p stations like ESPN, I don't know. I DO know, however, that 720p broadcasts like FOX and ESPN don't show the artifacting that 1080i broadcasts like NBC does. If I'm not mistaken, CBS, NBC and Discovery HD Theater all broadcast in 1080i, the rest of the current HD lineup in 720p. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the other guy, setting Native to OFF is faster.

I got mine in Feb too (Must've been shopping at the same time) - got that same deal, plus $100 off so I basically got it for $1,800 on a 2yr no interest. Have it already paid off now - so damn awesome!

btw, which HD-DVD player do you have? Toshiba A20?

So you're saying most HD Stations broadcast in 720p? Hmm, I thought it was the other way around - but don't mind me - I'm not that knowledgeable about these things.

Question: What happens to the SD Stations when you keep it at 1080i?

DRWhite
09-14-2007, 01:27 PM
As for the other guy, setting Native to OFF is faster.
Sorry to ask a dumb question but when you say NATIVE OFF is faster are you talking about just the channel changing time or the actual display speed for keeping up with moving pictures in HD ?

mickey79
09-14-2007, 01:29 PM
or the actual display speed for keeping up with moving pictures in HD ?

Man I lost you there ...

deadhead68
09-14-2007, 01:33 PM
Sorry to ask a dumb question but when you say NATIVE OFF is faster are you talking about just the channel changing time or the actual display speed for keeping up with moving pictures in HD ?

Just the channel changing time.

DeadHead68

oskidunker
09-14-2007, 03:21 PM
Can someone explain exacatly what Native does?

bman1313
09-14-2007, 03:36 PM
In Native mode, the receiver automatically adjusts resolutions to match the resolution of individual TV programs as they are tuned.

Personally, My set has too many format settings to cycle through to get the right setting when changing channels and the format changes.

With 250 channels who still flips through them one at a time?
That is what the guide is for.

mystic7
09-14-2007, 03:44 PM
I got mine in Feb too (Must've been shopping at the same time) - got that same deal, plus $100 off so I basically got it for $1,800 on a 2yr no interest. Have it already paid off now - so damn awesome!

btw, which HD-DVD player do you have? Toshiba A20?

So you're saying most HD Stations broadcast in 720p? Hmm, I thought it was the other way around - but don't mind me - I'm not that knowledgeable about these things.

Question: What happens to the SD Stations when you keep it at 1080i?

I paid cash for mine. Yeah, I got that kind of money ;) I have the A2, no point in getting the A20 with a 1080i tv. I didn't read the other responses yet so someone may know more about it, but I'm pretty sure what I said is right regarding who broadcasts in 1080i.

As far as the SD stations, who cares! ;) They look pretty good to me, in fact the last two days they've looked outstanding.

As for the other guy, again, Native off makes changing the channels faster. Stop worrying about refresh rates and just enjoy your tv. That's my advice :)

slapshot
09-15-2007, 02:03 AM
I have Native set to on for my Samsung HDTV. I can't stand the way the screen goes blue and then back on. Is there any really noticeably differences in picture? And if I was to set Native off, should I have it on 720p or 1080i? I'm leaning towards 1080i but how will sports really look when they're actually in 720p?

If its on for the TV set it off for the receiver is the short answer.

cherman24
09-15-2007, 09:53 AM
One TV I have set on native. One I have set to 1080i because it doesn't show 720. Honestly, I can't tell the difference in shows or sports. The native one is the one I watch mostly and have the DVR. It is a pain because it switches to the other formats so much and slows down the picture appearing. I'm not sold on it "has" to be in native for the best picture...but that's just me.

texasbrit
09-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Native "on" does not mean "best picture". Native and resolution settings, in theory, should be based on the performance of the upconversion circuits in the DirecTV receiver and the TV, and whether or not you want to be able to use the picture size controls on your TV.
First, at the end of the day, whatever signal you send a digital TV it only displays in one resolution, its native resolution. So if you have a 1080p TV, everything is converted to 1080p. If you have a 720/768p TV, everything is converted to 720/768p. So from a resolution perspective, the only thing you can do is decide where you want the conversion to be.
Let's suppose you have a 720p TV (768 is close enough). You want the minimum number of conversions, and the best conversions. Let's assume your TV has better conversion circuitry than your DirecTV receiver. If you set native "on" with all the resolutions checked, everything will go to the TV in its original (native) resolution, and then be converted there. So a 480i/p signal will get converted by the TV to 720p, a 720p signal (Fox, most ABC, ESPN) will not be converted, and a 1080i signal (most HD) will be deinterlaced and down converted to 720p. If your DirecTV receiver has better conversion circuitry, set native "off" and only check 720p; all the conversions will be done in the DirecTV receiver, all signals sent to the TV will be in 720p.
For a 1080p, same argument. Setting native "on" puts all conversions in the TV, all signals will be upconverted to 1080p. Setting native "off" will convert all the signals to 720p or 1080i in the DirecTV box (depending on what resolutions you check) and then convert the signal to 1080p in the TV.
One advantage of setting native "on" is that the TVs crop/stretch controls may not work on 720p/1080i signals, but will work on the 480i SD signals sent from the DirecTV receiver. If you use native "off" and convert everything in the DirecTV box, the stretch/crop on the TV will be inactive.
But one benefit to native "off" is that channel changes are usually quicker.
If you try all the options you may see a difference in the picture quality, but most people can't see any difference on their setup between the native "on" and the native "off" approaches.

mickey79
09-17-2007, 09:24 AM
You want the minimum number of conversions, and the best conversions. Let's assume your TV has better conversion circuitry than your DirecTV receiver.

Well that brings me to a couple of Questions, and I'm firing them at you because you do seem to know a good deal about this.

First of all, How do I know if my TV has better "Conversion Circuitry" or my DirecTV Receiver - Or my DVD Player for that matter. Here's what I have:
- Panasonic 50" Plasma TH-50PX60U
- DirecTV H20 Reciever
- JVC TH-C50 HTiB

Secondly, Is downconversion better or upconversion - or does it not make a difference? In simpler terms - my TV is native 1366 X 768, basically 768p - so basically everything will be converted to 768p. Is it better to Downconvert 1080i to 768p - or upconvert 720p to 768p?

I'm asking this because I have 3 Devices and i'm trying to figure out what to set them on:

JVC DVD Player - I have it set to 720p
XBOX360 - I have it set to 720p
DirecTV H20 - Plan on setting it to Native "Off" - 1080i

Considering I have a native 768p Panasonic Plasma - Do these settings look about right?

Thanks Much!