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Connection issues--Olevia; Philips; Motorola

leoanderso
08-11-2007, 07:21 PM
I'm new and also a novice. I have an Olevia 226 HD LCD TV. My cable company is Grande Communications and their provided HD Cable Box Tuner is a Motorola 6200. While the TV has an HDMI port, the Cable Box does not. Therefore it is connected with component cables. The HD image is great. I bought recently a Philips DVDR3455H/37 (DVR/DVD Recorder). I have hooked the 3 totether like the Philips book says. RF Cable in to Cable box. Cable box out to the DVDR in and DVDR out to the TV. I have kept the Component cables as originally hooked up as I don't want to give up the HD. I hooked the Cable Box to the DVDR via Composite cables and did the same between the DVDR and the TV. To get any visibility of the Philips, I have to switch the TV from Component to Composite. For some reason the DVDR can only see channel 4 (which it sees as the cable box) and record from channel 4 and record only what is on at that time. This can't be all there is! I can't see doing much recording. This way it'll be a high priced DVD player. I went to a local electronics store with supposed experts on the desk and got the same book answer as my Philips manual. I know the real smart people are out there. Thanks for anything you can give me.

Lee Stewart
08-11-2007, 08:49 PM
I'm new and also a novice. I have an Olevia 226 HD LCD TV. My cable company is Grande Communications and their provided HD Cable Box Tuner is a Motorola 6200. While the TV has an HDMI port, the Cable Box does not. Therefore it is connected with component cables. The HD image is great. I bought recently a Philips DVDR3455H/37 (DVR/DVD Recorder). I have hooked the 3 totether like the Philips book says. RF Cable in to Cable box. Cable box out to the DVDR in and DVDR out to the TV. I have kept the Component cables as originally hooked up as I don't want to give up the HD. I hooked the Cable Box to the DVDR via Composite cables and did the same between the DVDR and the TV. To get any visibility of the Philips, I have to switch the TV from Component to Composite. For some reason the DVDR can only see channel 4 (which it sees as the cable box) and record from channel 4 and record only what is on at that time. This can't be all there is! I can't see doing much recording. This way it'll be a high priced DVD player. I went to a local electronics store with supposed experts on the desk and got the same book answer as my Philips manual. I know the real smart people are out there. Thanks for anything you can give me.

Hi and welcome to HDF:hithere:

The Component out on a HD STB like the 6200 will only carry HD signals, Your DVD recorder can only record SDTV signals.

All you have to do is rewire it so the Component goes to the HDTV and you run either an S-Video or Composite (yellow RCA) to the recorder for video and a red & white audio. Now you will be recording SDTV and watching HD on the HDTV.

Does your 6200 have a DVI outpuit? If so you can buy at Wal-Mart a DVI to HDMI cable - about $25 - DVI is the video part of HDMI - fully compatable.

Please report back to the thread on results.

leoanderso
08-11-2007, 09:40 PM
:cool: Thanks for the assurance there are no stupid questions. I checked the Motorola Cable Box. It has a DVI-D output. I will get a DVI/HDMI cable tomorrow to link Cable box to TV. That will replace the component to component I now have. Then I am back to the Phillips DVDR. Should I hook the component cables from the cable box to the DVDR? Or from the DVDR to the TV? Something that bothers me also is that the manual had me running my cable into the cable box but then running it from there to the DVDR. And then from the DVDR to the TV. That is a lot of coaxial cable. Maybe I'm overriding the other cabling with the coax? I looked at my living room set that was set up by the "pros" and I have only one cable from the wall to the Cable Box. Not as complicated as my little bedroom project! I just know this forum will be the answer. Lee, if you can spoon feed me more it'll be appreciated. In the meantime I'll strike out and start with the ideas you've given me.

Lee Stewart
08-11-2007, 11:14 PM
:cool: Thanks for the assurance there are no stupid questions. I checked the Motorola Cable Box. It has a DVI-D output. I will get a DVI/HDMI cable tomorrow to link Cable box to TV. That will replace the component to component I now have. Then I am back to the Phillips DVDR. Should I hook the component cables from the cable box to the DVDR? Or from the DVDR to the TV? Something that bothers me also is that the manual had me running my cable into the cable box but then running it from there to the DVDR. And then from the DVDR to the TV. That is a lot of coaxial cable. Maybe I'm overriding the other cabling with the coax? I looked at my living room set that was set up by the "pros" and I have only one cable from the wall to the Cable Box. Not as complicated as my little bedroom project! I just know this forum will be the answer. Lee, if you can spoon feed me more it'll be appreciated. In the meantime I'll strike out and start with the ideas you've given me.

No component to anything if you are going to use a DVI to HDMI cable for the HD video. You will use the digital audio output of the CBL BOX to your receiver. That will be your audio for HD CBL.

Just follow what I told you on the SDTV connections to the recorder. SDTV Output from CBL BOX to Rec. Input. The run the same type of cables fromm the Rec, Output to the receiver. Then run a S-Video from the receiver to the HDTV. That will do it.

The Component on the back of the DVDR is NOT Hi-Band 720/1080. It is Low Band 480I/P. They look the same but one is for HD (Hi) while the other is for SD (Lo) and ED (480p - Lo)

billinprinceto
08-12-2007, 08:33 AM
First: ignore everything that Lee Stewart has advised you to do. Unfortunately, as he so often does on this forum, he has completely ignored your problem as well as failed to carefully read your post. As usual, he complicated an otherwise simple problem. In fact, he never even addressed your problem - I can't figure out if he is just plain dumb or just full of himself, or both.

Second: Your original hook-up is fine except for one small problem (we'll get to that shortly). The DVI to HDMI gobbledigoop is total rubish and I hope you have not wasted your money yet.

Third: To resolve your problem will depend on how Grande Communications is sending channels to your home. If the Basic and Expanded Basic channels are analog NTSC signals, you are in luck. Here's how to check. Run a coax from your wall outlet directly to your TV, check to see which (if any) channels you can tune in - these, in most cases, will be the only channels available for the DVDR to also tune into.

Solution: The Motorola 6200 has a "f" connector on the rear panel labeled "To TV/VCR"; this is a pass-through for the RF signal. Connect this to the input of the DVDR. Now, when you select composite on your TV, you should be able to use the DVDR to select the channel that you wish to view and/or record. Switch to Component and you can watch programming from the 6200 while the DVDR is recording. Simple!!! Cost - $2 for a 3/6' piece of coax.

Note: Alternatively, you could put a splitter on the incomming coax and run separate coax to the inputs of the 6200 and the DVDR, but why bother?

Note #2: In the unlikely event that you cannot get any channels directly from the coax (or not enough channels), your only solution will be to upgrade to the Grande Communications HD/DVR which has dual tuners, though it will relegate your DVDR to "player only" status or only record what you are viewing.

Lee Stewart
08-12-2007, 08:52 AM
I do have to admit all i did was tell him to hook up his system the same way he already has. My bad.

Of course the personal attack is totally uncalled for.

billinprinceto
08-12-2007, 09:13 AM
I do have to admit all i did was tell him to hook up his system the same way he already has.


You're kidding, of course . . . . aren't your?????

Good lord man, read your own posts - you had him in every direction EXCEPT toward the solution. Hence, I wouldn't rely on your advice on how to plug in my toaster!

Lee Stewart
08-12-2007, 09:40 AM
You're kidding, of course . . . . aren't your?????

Good lord man, read your own posts - you had him in every direction EXCEPT toward the solution. Hence, I wouldn't rely on your advice on how to plug in my toaster!

So I made a mistake. It happens. I am not perfect. Why all the venom?

billinprinceto
08-12-2007, 11:23 AM
So I made a mistake. It happens.

Right on.

And is so often quoted . . . . "There is no such thing as a stupid question . . ."

mmmmm . . . . the answers, of course, that's a different matter.

Lee Stewart
08-12-2007, 11:46 AM
Right on.

And is so often quoted . . . . "There is no such thing as a stupid question . . ."

mmmmm . . . . the answers, of course, that's a different matter.

Son of a bitch! FINALLY! It has happened. I have met the perfect person! . . . WOW!

billinprinceto
08-12-2007, 12:18 PM
I would be happy to hear Leoanderso chime back in and advise if, and from whom, if anyone, he has receieved helpful advice. If he chooses not to, then, as far as I am concerned, this thread is closed.

leoanderso
08-12-2007, 08:46 PM
:banghead: I sure didn't mean to get so much activity and I'm sorry I haven't been back in awhile, but I have been testing my patience. I did indeed get a DVI-D to HDMI cable and am using it to connect the Motorola 6200 to the Olevia 226. It works great. Not sure it is any better than the component cables but it is less cumbersome. Did hook my cable directly to the TV and scanned for channels. Got 80 real analog channels and a few hundred not so good digital channels; but did get a lot of the music channels. Then I ran the cable direct to the Philips DVR/DVDR and in turn to the TV--and scanned for channels there. Got about 78 only (as someone had suggested). Then I went back to square 1--my original mission--getting all 3 to work together; hooked the cable to the cable box in. Hooked the cable box out to the DVR/DVDR and hooked the DVR/DVDR to the TV using both (not at the same time) component and composite. When I set the TV to Component (or composite) versus HDMI depending on the hookup, I got sound and picture--not HD for sure. When I do this, the cable box still controls the channels on the TV. And all my 78 channels are gone from the DVR/DVDR and I'm back to Channel 4, being able to record only what is on the screen. Maybe it is my inability to work with the Philips DVR/DVDR. I had thought the cable out from the cable box to the Philips would simply be an extension of the cable but it seems to come out different. When I scan for channels on the Philips under those conditions, I get 1; channel 4..:eyecrazy. I don't know if you guys just met, but you seem to know each other. Like Rodney King said "can't we all just get along?" I appreciate both your efforts and believe me I'm game for about anthing at this point. I feel like I've plugged every kind of wire in every hole and pushed every button. Probably just not holding my tongue right. Thanks for your help and remember this is a lot more fun than real work.

billinprinceto
08-13-2007, 07:02 AM
OK, one small problem: I went back and checked the 6200 manual; it appears that the "TO TV/VCR" is, in fact, NOT a pass-through, but (as you have discovered/demonstrated) an RF output for use with TVs that do not have other input possiblities. (see p.7 of user manual "If you are connecting a coaxial cable from the TO TV/VCR connector on the DCT* to the coaxial CABLE/ANTENNA IN connector on the TV, you must tune your TV to channel 3 or 4 to view the DCT* output. Connecting the DCT* in this manner will remove its high definition video capability.")

So, on to Plan B: Try a splitter at your wall outlet; run one coax to the 6200, another coax to the DVR; leave everything else alone. This will work.

Lee Stewart
08-13-2007, 08:27 AM
OK, one small problem: I went back and checked the 6200 manual; it appears that the "TO TV/VCR" is, in fact, NOT a pass-through, but (as you have discovered/demonstrated) an RF output for use with TVs that do not have other input possiblities. (see p.7 of user manual "If you are connecting a coaxial cable from the TO TV/VCR connector on the DCT* to the coaxial CABLE/ANTENNA IN connector on the TV, you must tune your TV to channel 3 or 4 to view the DCT* output. Connecting the DCT* in this manner will remove its high definition video capability.")

So, on to Plan B: Try a splitter at your wall outlet; run one coax to the 6200, another coax to the DVR; leave everything else alone. This will work.

Won't this limit the number of channels he will be able to record?

leoanderso
08-13-2007, 01:05 PM
:banana: Success! I used the splitter. Works great. Yes, the DVDR is limited to analog channels (80) but that is just the tuner it has. I used component hookup for it and DVI-D to HDMI for the Motorola. An interesting side note--I had 2 splitters on hand. One a $20 version from Radio Shack and the other a $4 from Wal-Mart. The $20 wouldn't transmit the digital channels from the Motorola but the Wal-Mart version works great. Thanks to both of you. I was at my wit's end. I think now I'll check in now and then and maybe learn from watching and reading. Thanks again.

billinprinceto
08-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Way to go leo!!! Glad to hear that you are up and running - enjoy!