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Blu-ray and HD DVD: The facts - Crave

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06-02-2007, 08:39 PM
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Crave, UK - Jun 1, 2007
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ghost271
06-02-2007, 09:01 PM
The thing that bugs me about that report is that he seemed a bit byassed towards the Sony camp. He never mentioned the fact that HD DVD discs can now be made at 51G, that Toshibas new price drop on HD DVD players puts them at the consumers magic price point, or the fact that the loading times have improved quite a bit.

ah802
06-03-2007, 11:36 AM
Whether you like it or not, more influential people are siding with Blu-Ray and discounting the price, legacy and format supporters. Blu-ray Disc is now officially the high-def format of choice for The Digital Bits, announced the editor Bill Hunt. Here's a link into his reasoning.. a bit too political for my taste.

http://www.testmy.net/t-19730.msg224316#msg224316

He gives two possible scenario's 'Either Blu-ray will win, or neither format will win.' With only those choices... neither will win-out (Sony, being the issue). Fortunately there is more options... and I note that there's not much attention to 264 compression which can negate blue laser altogether and other non-consumer options.

Chris Gerhard
06-03-2007, 11:59 AM
The thing that bugs me about that report is that he seemed a bit byassed towards the Sony camp. He never mentioned the fact that HD DVD discs can now be made at 51G, that Toshibas new price drop on HD DVD players puts them at the consumers magic price point, or the fact that the loading times have improved quite a bit.

Do you have a link for the HD DVD at 51G? I have yet to see any approval or verfication of that.

Chris

bruceames
06-03-2007, 03:10 PM
Whether you like it or not, more influential people are siding with Blu-Ray and discounting the price, legacy and format supporters. Blu-ray Disc is now officially the high-def format of choice for The Digital Bits, announced the editor Bill Hunt. Here's a link into his reasoning.. a bit too political for my taste.

http://www.testmy.net/t-19730.msg224316#msg224316

He gives two possible scenario's 'Either Blu-ray will win, or neither format will win.' With only those choices... neither will win-out (Sony, being the issue). Fortunately there is more options... and I note that there's not much attention to 264 compression which can negate blue laser altogether and other non-consumer options.

Other than The Bits, what influential sites are siding with Blu-ray? AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32838)has sided with HD DVD and they are pretty influential, too.

Lee Stewart
06-03-2007, 05:47 PM
Other than The Bits, what influential sites are siding with Blu-ray? AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32838)has sided with HD DVD and they are pretty influential, too.

This is a joke right? Since when has The Digital Bits website become anything more than an announcement site for DVD and HDD movies? Why because the editor is full of himself?

You think that just on this word people are going to start plunking down $500 to $600 for a player and $25 to $35 a movie?

The internet is like advertising - don't believe everthing you read, hear and see.

There is no website that can really influence buyers and even if he could - that was a year ago when the war started. Now it is running under it's own course and as much as Blu-Ray Bill has tried - his efforts have been in vain to do ANYTHING that affects the outcome of the war . . .

Other than to put himself at the risk of either being labeled a shill for the BDA or just a fanboy at heart.

EDIT:

Bruce - as you can see I was agreeing with you concerning the "importance" of The Digital Bits - not disagreeing.

Just adding more fuel to the fire.:D

bruceames
06-03-2007, 06:15 PM
I'm really unsure of how influential The Bits really is over the format war. I know the site is popular and must have some influence, but I really don't know how much, other than opinions I read from others. This other site I hear is allegedly influential too, but seems pretty juvenile and unprofessional by comparison, so again I really don't know except that Bill Hunt took the time to write a very lengthy article about the other site.

Chris Gerhard
06-04-2007, 03:59 AM
I'm really unsure of how influential The Bits really is over the format war. I know the site is popular and must have some influence, but I really don't know how much, other than opinions I read from others. This other site I hear is allegedly influential too, but seems pretty juvenile and unprofessional by comparison, so again I really don't know except that Bill Hunt took the time to write a very lengthy article about the other site.

I don't think either site means much. If all sites were in agreement, then the impact would amount to something. As it is with various sites offering differing opinions, it is just another source of confusion for the consumer. I don't understand why Mr. Hunt's opinion is controversial. He is in favor of having only one format, indicates if Universal goes neutral that Blu-ray will win and has stated either both will exist for years or Blu-ray will win. How anybody can look at the facts and even disagree with those opinions is beyond me, he is right on all three points. The rest of what he has written on the subject I probably haven't read, I get too bored each time I try.

Chris

Lee Stewart
06-04-2007, 06:40 AM
I don't think either site means much. If all sites were in agreement, then the impact would amount to something. As it is with various sites offering differing opinions, it is just another source of confusion for the consumer. I don't understand why Mr. Hunt's opinion is controversial. He is in favor of having only one format, indicates if Universal goes neutral that Blu-ray will win and has stated either both will exist for years or Blu-ray will win. How anybody can look at the facts and even disagree with those opinions is beyond me, he is right on all three points. The rest of what he has written on the subject I probably haven't read, I get too bored each time I try.

Chris

Chris, you are really starting to sound like a broken record. . . . just repeating the same thing over and over again.

The facts:

1. There is a format war.
2. Universal supports HD DVD only.
3. HD DVD is not going away anytime soon if ever.

Anything else is just whining about the state of the HDD marketplace.

Would've, Could've and Should've no longer apply.

Chris Gerhard
07-08-2007, 12:53 PM
Here is pie chart and if it is accurate, next year the gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD will grow considerably. This shows market share of 2007 films released thus far and what percentage will be available on each format. I don't have any way to check if the math is accurate, but basically 89% are going to be available on Blu-ray and 47% available on HD DVD with 52% exclusive to Blu-ray and 10% exclusive to HD DVD. HD DVD gathering a third of the market next year will be nearly impossible if this is true.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9740033-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

Chris

SLedford
07-08-2007, 01:59 PM
Chris,

There are movies that I want in both formats but I own an HD-DVD player because it finally came down in price enough for me to justify buying it. I will buy a BD player as well when it comes down a little more in price and the final specs are set and available in the player.

Time may prove me wrong, but both formats seem destined to survive. That could change. When I do get a BD player, I will have to make a choice when making a new purchase where the same movie is released in both formats. If I (and enough others with both players) chose to get the BD movie, then studios currently releasing both formats may look at the numbers and chose to go BD only.

As has been said by other posters, there is no longer any point in talking about "should have beens" regarding the two formats. Two formats is a reality. Lets move on.

pjc
07-08-2007, 02:33 PM
Here is pie chart and if it is accurate, next year the gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD will grow considerably. This shows market share of 2007 films released thus far and what percentage will be available on each format. I don't have any way to check if the math is accurate, but basically 89% are going to be available on Blu-ray and 47% available on HD DVD with 52% exclusive to Blu-ray and 10% exclusive to HD DVD. HD DVD gathering a third of the market next year will be nearly impossible if this is true.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9740033-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

Chris


What a load of crap. I bet 80% of the people that paid to see these movies in theater will not have a player of either format in the next 3+ years. Generally, I respect your opinion on BR/HD-DVD, Chris,but this pushes you in to troll area. Please use better info in the future :D

pjc
07-08-2007, 02:42 PM
^^^won't let me save edits.....

Also where's the chart that shows the breakdown of standalone players (not counting ps3 or add on). I bet that chart would show that SD-DVD is alive and well followed by HD-DVD and then Blu-Ray. That chart too,however would be a load of crap.

Chris Gerhard
07-08-2007, 06:48 PM
What a load of crap. I bet 80% of the people that paid to see these movies in theater will not have a player of either format in the next 3+ years. Generally, I respect your opinion on BR/HD-DVD, Chris,but this pushes you in to troll area. Please use better info in the future :D


All the chart shows is that Blu-ray is going to have the 2007 blockbusters in large percentages and all that means is whatever sales of HD discs we see next year, a bigger majority than the 2-1 that has been seen this year will be seen next year. Will it be 3-1 or something else, I don't know, but the new films are what sells and Blu-ray will have them. The software has been lopsided and will get worse is what appears likely if that breakdown is accurate. I still don't think either format does well at all as long as both exist, but the lopsided nature of this idiotic format war gets more lopsided has the be the outcome next year. I don't even know what you are claiming I have stated, all I did was post a link to some work done by others and if it is accurate it is meaningful.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
07-09-2007, 03:07 AM
I guess those Crave pie-charts reflect the fact that Universal blockbusters the last couple of years like "Evan Almighty" haven't been up to the 2005 and prior standards in terms of box office. With 2006 and 2007 box office receipts overwhelmingly in favor of the Blu-ray studios, the rest of this year and next year HD disc sales breakdown could be very lopsided.

Chris