High Def Forum
Thank you for visiting. This is our website archive. Please visit our main website by clicking the logo above.

PS3's Bluray player selling poorly.

electrictroy
05-30-2007, 06:37 AM
APRIL NPD SALES NUMBERS:

Nintendo Wii (2.5 million total)
Microsoft Xbox 360 (5.4 million total)
Sony PlayStation 3 (1.3 million total)

- The Wii is currently outselling the Xbox 2-to-1, so next month the figures will be 3.0 million Wiis vs. 5.6 million 360s. The Wii is slowly but surely catching-up.

- PS3, which also doubles as a bluray player, is only selling 1 console for every 2 Xboxes and 4 Wii consoles. PS3 is in bad shape, and will only have 1.4 mil next month. (If trends continue.)




LINK - http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/17/april-npd-nintendo-dominates-industry-sales-up-20

GLOW
05-30-2007, 08:05 AM
And yet it's still single-handedly kicking HD DVD's butt :busy:

hddvdguy
05-30-2007, 10:19 AM
First off Hd stand alone sales are killing bluray standalone sales 5 to 1. If you own a PS3 its only for blu ray because they have shit for games. Thats why I returned mine. 360 is better for online play and game selection. I also own HD A20 and the upconversion on sd to 1080p is great.:yippee:

brianh
05-31-2007, 05:19 PM
You check out amazon, you see that the hd-dvd version of Planet Earth is in the top ten and it reached #5 on the total dvd best seller list.

On amazons site the 2nd gen hd-dvd player is 299 now and you get something like 5 hddvds for free.

Thats how you push those things out the door.
Hd-dvd isn't getting its ass kicked by anything right now. :stop

drock912001
05-31-2007, 11:02 PM
You check out amazon, you see that the hd-dvd version of Planet Earth is in the top ten and it reached #5 on the total dvd best seller list.

On amazons site the 2nd gen hd-dvd player is 299 now and you get something like 5 hddvds for free.

Thats how you push those things out the door.
Hd-dvd isn't getting its ass kicked by anything right now. :stop
Doesn't mean anything until the masses buy into it.

brianh
05-31-2007, 11:27 PM
I think that was the point I was trying to make

The masses ARE starting to buy into it.
The 2nd gen hd-dvd player is the 2nd best selling dvd player at amazon? That's a pretty good indication of the masses I would say.

Planet Earth hd-dvd is at #8 it peaked at number 5.

I know that blu-ray and Sony fanboys don't want to acknowledge these things but they are facts.

Good for Toshiba.

Being a lover of the SACD format which Sony tried to push, if the past is any indication, blu-ray might have some issues.
I loved SACD it was the best audio format on the planet, but it's basically dead because Sony either A) didn't care to promote it or B) they were too incompetent to promote it.

They aren't looking much better with blu-ray.

BANDB
06-01-2007, 03:09 PM
Being a lover of the SACD format which Sony tried to push, if the past is any indication, blu-ray might have some issues.
I loved SACD it was the best audio format on the planet, but it's basically dead because Sony either A) didn't care to promote it or B) they were too incompetent to promote it.
They aren't looking much better with blu-ray.

I went down the garden path with betamax and, in spite of it being superior to VHS, Sony's mismanagement made it a loser. Sony's products are excellent generally, but the company is sometimes unresponsive to what people want. Their company stores are not successful, especially contrasted to Apple's, which sell more $ per square foot than any chain in the retail business. Ever walk into a Sony store and see the two rent-a-cops in the entrance? Their debacle on copy protection was another case in point.
I like the blu-ray system, but probably will choose Toshiba with its chutzpah for getting out there with a well priced competent player. This, same as what happened with beta/vhs, is what will win the battle, IMO.
My 2

hddvdguy
06-01-2007, 06:42 PM
Sony is only good at stealing other companies patent ideas. 10 violations from Kodak , Immerson the PS2 shock controllers and now the siver alloy on Bluray disks including games. If the injuction goes thru Blu ray will have to stop production until they come to terms in other words sony pays them off. The delay could hurt them enough to let HDDVD take full flight.

brianh
06-01-2007, 06:49 PM
Sony is only good at stealing other companies patent ideas. 10 violations from Kodak , Immerson the PS2 shock controllers and now the siver alloy on Bluray disks including games. If the injuction goes thru Blu ray will have to stop production until they come to terms in other words sony pays them off. The delay could hurt them enough to let HDDVD take full flight.

Oh man that would be GREAT. I mean Sony CAN be a cool company their trinitrons are the best. And anyway you look at it, the ps2 is a damn impressive piece of equipment. But they are just too messed up right now.

They need to be brought down to size.
And this is coming from a guy who LIKES Sony!

Lee Stewart
06-01-2007, 07:54 PM
Sony is a very unique company. What other company do you know that has started as many format wars as Sony has - lost almost all of them - and continues to do well.

Sony has two very important "tent poles" - They practially have 100% of the Professional market. They are the largest seller of TV's in the world.

It is these two continuing money makers that IMO, allow Sony to introduce these new formats, hoping for the next Walkman or PS2. And the revenues from their money makers allows them to gamble, knowing full well that as they empty the till - it just fills right up again.

But this time Sony has combined two produts in one - and is using that product to fight on two different battlefields - The PS3 - on the gaming battlefield and on the HDD battlefield.

They are as has been show - losing badly in gaming war, which is a bigger market than DVD - by $5 billion per year. And they are winning the HDD war, but the "winnings" are so small that it really isn't a win at all.

This time Sony has taken on a much greater risk than ever before because the PS2 is/was a winner - hands down - and the PS3 appears to be a loser that has cost Sony close to $2 billion already.

brianh
06-01-2007, 08:10 PM
I agree the pro's like Sony. They seem to come up with great hardware. But lately they've just been arrogant, and stupid.

And when they're acting like they are right now, in my book, they deserve to lose.

I also like the risks that Toshiba is taking with the hd-dvd player. Selling it so cheap, I'm sure the bean suits are pissed about that, but they are staying with that idea of selling them cheap.

For that THEY deserve to win.

SOBAY310
06-06-2007, 01:44 PM
If you own a PS3 its only for blu ray because they have shit for games. Thats why I returned mine. 360 is better for online play and game selection. I also own HD A20 and the upconversion on sd to 1080p is great.:yippee:

I love my 360, but to say the only reason to own a PS3 is for Blu-Ray is not a fair statement. I have the following games for PS3:

-Resistance: Fall of Man
-Virtua Fighter
-MLB '07: The Show
-Tony Hawks Project 8
-Motorstorm
-EA Fight Night R3

and a few games I d/l from the PS Store.

So, yeah, I'm having a blast with my PS3. :gamer

mshulman
06-06-2007, 02:08 PM
I love my 360, but to say the only reason to own a PS3 is for Blu-Ray is not a fair statement. I have the following games for PS3:

-Resistance: Fall of Man
-Virtua Fighter
-MLB '07: The Show
-Tony Hawks Project 8
-Motorstorm
-EA Fight Night R3

and a few games I d/l from the PS Store.

So, yeah, I'm having a blast with my PS3. :gamer

That's a lot of money to spend on a console to only have such a small selection of games 6 months after release. Not to mention 2 of those games you could play on the 360.

So in essence, 4 games?? Yeah.. I'd say its just about only good for movies..

stonedog23
06-06-2007, 06:57 PM
First off Hd stand alone sales are killing bluray standalone sales 5 to 1. If you own a PS3 its only for blu ray because they have shit for games. Thats why I returned mine. 360 is better for online play and game selection. I also own HD A20 and the upconversion on sd to 1080p is great.:yippee:

I don't own either format yet, but I thought that HD DVD players upconvert SD discs to 1080i and display their discs also at 1080i. I thought it was Blu ray that displays it own and upconvert SDs at
1080p.

brianh
06-06-2007, 07:29 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the 2nd gen hd-dvd player does 1080p upconversion.

ah802
06-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Sony Layoffs in America

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Lay_Offs_In_Sony_s_American_PlayStation_Division
http://kotaku.com/gaming/industry/lay+offs-hit-scea-hq-today-266292.php

GLOW
06-07-2007, 02:25 AM
mshulman, it's good to see you're getting aggressive even if it's for the wrong side but you are completely wrong, there are plenty of good exclusive games on the PS3 and this is just the beginning. By the end of the year, the PS3 will be a powerhouse wrt games. How many good games did the 360 have at this point in it's lifespan? GRAW is the only one I can think of.........

brianh
06-07-2007, 02:47 AM
You sound like a Sony suit GLOW.

mshulman
06-07-2007, 09:19 AM
How many good games did the 360 have at this point in it's lifespan? GRAW is the only one I can think of.........

I really don't recall how many games - I know I had many more though.

Burnout, COD2 and Oblivion, just to name a few. All I keep hearing with PS3 is how much better it will get... Well.. Let's get better already! How long should one have to wait?

And if its going to be 3rd quarter this year, then 360 will have so much more going on - Halo3 and Mass Effect alone will consume far too much of my time.

And don't get me wrong - I'm no Sony hater - I just hate their arrogance and way they handled this generation. I'd love a good reason to pick up the PS3 - Its just too expensive to justify now and I don't even have enough time to play all my 360 games, let alone 2 other games on the PS3 :p

Type A
06-07-2007, 05:28 PM
How many good games did the 360 have at this point in it's lifespan? GRAW is the only one I can think of.........

Wow, one miserable little title huh? :gamer

hddvdguy
06-07-2007, 07:52 PM
GRAW 1 and 2 Gears of War Halo 3 Mass Effect New Splinter cell just read about it. Too Human maybe a few more. But where they get everyone is the supurb online play.

GLOW
06-08-2007, 08:22 AM
GRAW 1 and 2 Gears of War Halo 3 Mass Effect New Splinter cell just read about it. Too Human maybe a few more. But where they get everyone is the supurb online play.

The only one of those titles that was released on the 360 at this point in it's lifespan was GRAW. Gears came out a year after 360 launch, the rest of those came even later (some haven't even been released yet :rolleyes: ). The PS3 has only been around about 7 months. This fall will be packed with AAA titles.

HD VHS
06-11-2007, 06:39 AM
hddvdguy said it perfectly, shit games the PS3 has.

GLOW
06-11-2007, 10:35 AM
hddvdguy said it perfectly, shit games the PS3 has.

Have you made a worthwhile post on this forum yet? So far, all I've seen is trolling and saying ignorant fanboy crap.

ShagnDragn
06-14-2007, 08:00 PM
I'm new to this site and enjoying the back and forth the site brings.

I'm a HUGE Playstation fan but have to admit that Sony could have done a better job launching the system.

First off, they should have settled the suit with Immersion regarding the rumble feature on the controllers. I know they recently settled things but they shouldn't have been so damn arrogant thinking that just the name alone was going to win them the next generation war.

Secondly, they should have had one of their huge hit titles for the launch. If not GTA4, then one of their 1st party hits would have done it for you. You're Sony for F*cks sake!!! Has Nintendo ever launched a system without a Mario standing close by?

Otherwise, I think they are doing OK for a system that's been out for less than a year. I believe they nailed a near perfect system that the gamers wanted. They listened to the magazines and internet chatter about what people wanted in a machine and went with it. Now the critics are all crying over the price.

The other brilliant move was to include the Blu-ray disc format so gamers as well as home theater fanatics would have a new high capacity media format to enjoy whatever they wanted. It gave them a leg up on their competitors that were charging way too much for just a movie player. The only problem is that that the machine was still expensive as hell to create and sell to the average family.

My advise for Sony:

1. Get that rumble controller back into the system ASAP.

2. Focus on your hit titles like GTA4, GT, God of War, Champions of Norrath, and Metal Gear as well as building up the internet community experience.

3. DROP THE PRICE!!!

Thanks for reading and I look forward to your opposing comments. I'm actually rooting for them all as competition makes the companies work harder for your money.

brianh
06-14-2007, 08:32 PM
I like Sony too but I agree with you that they are too arrogant now.

There have been what, 3 million ps3's sold. HD-dvd has 150k players sold. Sony should be running away with blu-ray.
It just backs up what I've seen on gamer boards. Most gamers just do not care about blu-ray.

It jacked up the price too high, pissing hard core gamers off.
Then you have a $600 console with hardly any real great games.
Yeah, you're gonna have bad sales, doesn't take a genius to figure it all out.

Type A
06-15-2007, 12:15 AM
I think it is still currently one of the cheapest blu ray players out there though. As an exclusive hddvd guy, I envy the movies blu ray owners have to choose from...at this time anyway.

brianh
06-15-2007, 01:15 AM
well sure it is, but if you're not buying it for the movies, what difference does it make?

Semp1
06-15-2007, 08:44 AM
Problem is Sony loses exclusives the way a baby loses teeth GTA4 is also going to 360 thats old news and Rockstar shows every piece of footage you've seen of GTA4 off on 360 dev kits so what that says to me is another game that will look better on the 360...

ShagnDragn
06-15-2007, 08:44 AM
Well, I think that the difference is you get more than just a movie player.

Even if YOU bought the player for your needs, the PS3 could be used by other members of your family or roommates for other things like internet access, a place to store music or pictures or even the gamer in the house. For the price of what it can do, it's a bargain to say the least. As the Xbox tried to do the Sega thing and have the add-on HD-DVD, it brought the price way up.

Sony should have had 2 marketing campaigns since it was competing in 2 markets, one for the Blu-ray and one for the gamers. Depending on the market they were trying to reach, they could have focused on one aspect or the other, then tying them up at the end.

Oh well, maybe next time Sony. Hopefully Microsoft, Nintendo, or the market itself taught you something.

Badlander 73
06-15-2007, 02:37 PM
Its pathetic how toshiba fanboys constantly strive to support a meaningless fad such as how hd-dvd can possibly fare in the hi def format war. From a market and commercial standpoint blu-ray has much more support and interest from every angle especially the gamers advantage. X-box cannot possibly carry the burden of quality and longevity since they already have a 60% probability of hardwear breakdown or service on thier game consoles. Mabey after the whole hd-dvd thing goes away hd-dvd fanboys will realize how envious of sony they were and go back to scratching there heads as:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: to what other drama they can get there hands on.

Type A
06-15-2007, 07:02 PM
From a market and commercial standpoint blu-ray has much more support and interest from every angle especially the gamers advantage. X-box cannot possibly carry the burden of quality and longevity since they already have a 60% probability of hardwear breakdown or service on thier game consoles.

Ill try to remember all that bluray 'advantage' the next time I go to my 360 game storage 'rack' and try to decide which of my 9 games Id like to play. Or perhaps I should go buy one of the many solid 'new releases' that are currently on store shelves for the 360, because I certainly dont own them all at just nine titles???

Im sorry, did you say something Badlander?

brianh
06-15-2007, 07:25 PM
Sony has lost GTA4 and other exclusives for one simple reason.
Console price. The 360 is probably very similar to the ps3 in terms of power, is one more powerful then the other? I'd guess the ps3 is more powerful but it will take a while for the difference to show up.

And companies want to max profits ASAP. Hell of a lot more 360's out anyway, why limit yourself? Does anyone REALLY think GTA4 would look MUCH better on the ps3? Not this soon after the ps3's release, I think. 3 years from now? Different ballgame.

The problem for Sony is it's too damn much money, and 99% of the people who own one don't care about the movie part of it.
You need some serious games with some serious graphic ownage to justify $600. Sony is striking out so far.
Will it change? Sure. But not untill MGS4 comes out. I would bet LOTS of money that Sony is breathing down Kojima's neck demanding he finish MGS4 ASAP!!!!!!!

Sony hoped that people would see it as a all-in-one player. So far, no dice.

electrictroy
06-19-2007, 07:11 AM
Update: MAY NPD SALES NUMBERS (approximately):

Nintendo Wii (338,000; 2.9 million total)
Microsoft Xbox 360 (155,000; 5.6 million total)
Sony PlayStation 3 (81,000; 1.4 million total)

- The Wii is currently outselling the Xbox 2-to-1.
- PS3, which also doubles as a bluray player, is only selling 1 console for every 2 Xboxes and 4 Wii consoles. PS3 is in bad shape.



http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/14/may-npd-nintendo-still-on-top-industry-sales-up-49/

GLOW
06-19-2007, 08:39 AM
Ill try to remember all that bluray 'advantage' the next time I go to my 360 game storage 'rack' and try to decide which of my 9 games Id like to play. Or perhaps I should go buy one of the many solid 'new releases' that are currently on store shelves for the 360, because I certainly dont own them all at just nine titles???

Im sorry, did you say something Badlander?

Yeah and the 360 has SO many awesome games 7 months after release. :rolleyes:

GLOW
06-19-2007, 08:41 AM
Update: MAY NPD SALES NUMBERS (approximately):

Nintendo Wii (338,000; 2.9 million total)
Microsoft Xbox 360 (155,000; 5.6 million total)
Sony PlayStation 3 (81,000; 1.4 million total)

- The Wii is currently outselling the Xbox 2-to-1.
- PS3, which also doubles as a bluray player, is only selling 1 console for every 2 Xboxes and 4 Wii consoles. PS3 is in bad shape.



http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/14/may-npd-nintendo-still-on-top-industry-sales-up-49/

Yeah and the Wii has how many good games? 2? 3? :rolleyes:

BTW, the "PS3 Blu-ray player" is still killing HD DVD single-handedly and now, with blockbuster's announcement, HD DVD is pretty much dead. Sorry for getting back on the thread topic. :rolleyes:

F91
06-19-2007, 08:50 AM
I use my PS3 as a media center, so I do see it as an all-in-one machine.

Sony has lost GTA4 and other exclusives for one simple reason.
Console price. The 360 is probably very similar to the ps3 in terms of power, is one more powerful then the other? I'd guess the ps3 is more powerful but it will take a while for the difference to show up.

And companies want to max profits ASAP. Hell of a lot more 360's out anyway, why limit yourself? Does anyone REALLY think GTA4 would look MUCH better on the ps3? Not this soon after the ps3's release, I think. 3 years from now? Different ballgame.

The problem for Sony is it's too damn much money, and 99% of the people who own one don't care about the movie part of it.
You need some serious games with some serious graphic ownage to justify $600. Sony is striking out so far.
Will it change? Sure. But not untill MGS4 comes out. I would bet LOTS of money that Sony is breathing down Kojima's neck demanding he finish MGS4 ASAP!!!!!!!

Sony hoped that people would see it as a all-in-one player. So far, no dice.

brianh
06-19-2007, 07:16 PM
I use my PS3 as a media center, so I do see it as an all-in-one machine.

You're about the only one, man.

And GLOW, hd-dvd is "dead" huh? Uh, have you checked out amazon lately?
Toshiba has 3 hd-dvd players in the top ten. And the best selling dvd player on the site is a hd-dvd player.
Planet Earth is number 5 it's been number 3 for a while.
The best selling blu-ray player at amazon is number 32.

Now call me naive, but imo, sales are kinda important.

All the hd-dvd haters out there don't have to spend 1000k dollars anymore to get a blu-ray player thanks to Toshiba. lol

STEP AWAY FROM THE SONY KOOL-AID! Ok, now I'm fine.

electrictroy
06-20-2007, 03:58 AM
Yeah and the Wii has how many good games? 2? 3? :rolleyes:

I don't know since I don't own a Wii (or any other of the other current-gen consoles), but maybe YOU can explain:

Why, for the last several months, has Wii been outselling the X360 2-to-1 and the PS3 4-to-1?

What's your explanation?



Sorry for getting back on the thread topic.... *I* was the one who started the thread. NPD sales numbers ARE the topic of this thread. Go look at post #1.

fryet
06-20-2007, 08:02 AM
The simple Wii games (like Wii Sports) are fun. It doesn't have to be a super game to be one that gamers enjoy to play. For that reason, Wii sales are through the roof.

Btw, if 99% of PS3 owners did not care about movies, then BR would not be beating HD-DVD in disk sales. I don't know why HD-DVD players are in the top 10 of Amazon, but it may have something to do with a more fragmented player market for DVD players, and fewer choices for HD-DVD. Not to mention that Toshiba is giving deals on their players left and right.

GLOW
06-20-2007, 08:52 AM
I don't know since I don't own a Wii (or any other of the other current-gen consoles), but maybe YOU can explain:

Why, for the last several months, has Wii been outselling the X360 2-to-1 and the PS3 4-to-1?

What's your explanation?

Advertising, price, trendiness, the innovative way you interact with the games, word of mouth, the name Nintendo, etc

GLOW
06-20-2007, 08:58 AM
*I* was the one who started the thread. NPD sales numbers ARE the topic of this thread. Go look at post #1.

If this thread is about NPD numbers why didn't you just post it in the Gaming section? The thread title is "PS3's Blu-ray player selling poorly" and you still haven't given me the numbers of how many "PS3 Blu-ray players" have been sold. You know the number of PS3's sold but you have no clue about how many of them are being used as Blu-ray players. It is obviously enough to be killing HD DVD because that's what's happening. There are almost 3.5 million PS3's sold and 1.5 of them in the US with more to come. Blu-ray domination has already started.

mshulman
06-20-2007, 09:05 AM
Yeah and the 360 has SO many awesome games 7 months after release. :rolleyes:

I think it had a lot more, plus it had some great arcade titles.

I bought mine in Dec 05. I never once felt there were not enough games.

I suppose I should have bought a PS3 though. Even though it would have cost me more, I would have saved a lot of money on games :)

mshulman
06-20-2007, 09:10 AM
Its pathetic how toshiba fanboys constantly strive to support a meaningless fad such as how hd-dvd can possibly fare in the hi def format war. From a market and commercial standpoint blu-ray has much more support and interest from every angle especially the gamers advantage. X-box cannot possibly carry the burden of quality and longevity since they already have a 60% probability of hardwear breakdown or service on thier game consoles. Mabey after the whole hd-dvd thing goes away hd-dvd fanboys will realize how envious of sony they were and go back to scratching there heads as:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: to what other drama they can get there hands on.

Anything else you said above lost total credibility. 60%?? At most I might grant you that 10% of consoles had issues. And that may be high as well. What I will say is that a large number of repairs have had to go back. Chances of having to send in a repaired console a second time are probably much higher - maybe 80% or so.

Microsoft's biggest issue is their repair process.

electrictroy
06-21-2007, 06:13 AM
If this thread is about NPD numbers why didn't you just post it in the Gaming section? ..... Oh look. Somebody who thinks he's a forum policeman. (When someone's speeding, do you move to the left lane & try to block them? Do you try to police the highway too?) ;-)

But seriously, the title's self-explanatory:

"PS3's Bluray player selling poorly." Since ALL PS3's play bluray, they ALL qualify as bluray players. And where's the best source to get PS3 data? That's right! In the NPD monthly report, and so that's why I posted those numbers for April and May. Jeez. Loosen up. It doesn't matter where I posted this info.

ROD2467
06-22-2007, 04:13 PM
And yet it's still single-handedly kicking HD DVD's butt :busy:

It is so interesting how Sony marketing can brainwash people. They are marketing their Blu-ray products as being the best at the highest prices. You have to give Sony an A grade for marketing and the general public an F for not doing their home work first before buying. Impose buying can be very expensive.

I thought most people we smarter than that. I thought most consumers were interested in value for their money. I guess I was wrong. I'm one of those few consumers that value every dollar spent. The PlayStation 3 is a game machine/media centre with a DVD player. Yes! It is good. Most people already have computers with harddrives. Many people do not want to spend extra money on a game machine. Blu-ray standalone players are way too expensive. I just want a good HD DVD player at a reasonable price to integrate into my Home-Theater system. So what is really going on with all these Blu-ray supporters? Both technologies are equally as good. I just dont get it. Toshiba is offering value for the money.

Yes! I bought a Toshiba HD DVD Player and it is fantastic value for the money. It displays an amazing picture with HD DVD and standard DVD Disc. No regrets, Im just really enjoying it.

brianh
06-22-2007, 04:37 PM
It is so interesting how Sony marketing can brainwash people. They are marketing their Blu-ray products as being the best at the highest prices. You have to give Sony an A grade for marketing and the general public an F for not doing their home work first before buying. Impose buying can be very expensive.

I thought most people we smarter than that. I thought most consumers were interested in value for their money. I guess I was wrong. I'm one of those few consumers that value every dollar spent. The PlayStation 3 is a game machine/media centre with a DVD player. Yes! It is good. Most people already have computers with harddrives. Many people do not want to spend extra money on a game machine. Blu-ray standalone players are way too expensive. I just want a good HD DVD player at a reasonable price to integrate into my Home-Theater system. So what is really going on with all these Blu-ray supporters? Both technologies are equally as good. I just dont get it. Toshiba is offering value for the money.

Yes! I bought a Toshiba HD DVD Player and it is fantastic value for the money. It displays an amazing picture with HD DVD and standard DVD Disc. No regrets, Im just really enjoying it.

Same here, I'm really enjoying my hd-dvd player.
But if you look at amazon's sales hd-dvd players are selling much better then blu-ray players.
People have been buying hd-dvd JUST for planet earth.
The movie sales are both pathetic except for PE. Blu-ray is selling better but relative to normal dvd sales, miniscule.
People like GLOW just make themselves look like brainwashed morons.
If people gave a rats ass about studio support and BD+ they'd just be buying blu-ray like crazy and that would be the end of it.
But there's no blu-ray machine in the top ten...
It's all about price. hm, $300 vs. $500...what to do? :rolleyes:
That's all it's coming down to.

Lee Stewart
06-22-2007, 07:55 PM
Well i too am an HD DVD owner, but looking closely at the PS3 it really is a heck of a machine. It has had HDMI 1.3 from the start. It outputs 1080p, it has a Wi Fi "connection" allowing it to be internet connected, it will play SACD's, it now upconverts DVD to 1080p. And it is a game console.

Sony literally threw everything into it, including the kitchen sink. You have to admire what it can do for it's price.

And we HD DVD supporters know that the $599 is not the real price. It should have been $899 with Sony making $100 per unit.

Instead they eat $200 on each one and have caused their losses to go beyond $2 billion SID.

brianh
06-22-2007, 09:39 PM
I'll be getting a ps3....eventually. There aren't any MUST HAVE movies on blu-ray for me. If the alien trilogy or die hard or star wars were out, then we might have a deal. The lion king wouldn't hurt.
Also the game library is next to nill. And the internet architechture is not ready for primetime. I don't have a lot of patience for gaming problems like that.

I bought my hd-dvd player mainly for the stunning upconversion.
The hd-dvd part is an amazing bonus.

So better movies, better games (god of war3 anyone?) and maybe a price reduction.
I know that blu-ray is 'techincally' better then hd-dvd but i only have an hd-dvd machine, so guess which side I'm pulling for.
Plus Sony's arrogance about blu-ray and the "next gen starts when we say it does" attitude needs to be put in check.

jaypugh
07-16-2007, 10:14 AM
I couldn't have said it better brianh. In all honesty thought, it seems Sony's arrogance finally caught up with them with the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I will end up owning one but it won't be until there is something worth using it on. I know that sooner or later things will turn for the better for the PS3 but I think it will be a while. Even with the $100 price drop I don't see gamers buying it over the 360 or Wii except as a Blue Ray HD player. This was Sony's fear and hope all rolled up into one. If they sell tons of PS3s then it is great to have that stat for software companies to know you have that much of a user base but it doesn't help much if the people who own them aren't interested in games because they just wanted a cheap blue ray.
All that aside I still think that the PS3 will come along and be a huge long term success because I know Sony will dig into those deep pockets just as MS will and in the end we are rewarded with cheaper systems and more games. In the meantime though.. that wii sure is sitting good as Nintendo is the only one in the black.

OL' PEDRO
07-18-2007, 07:52 AM
Well i too am an HD DVD owner, but looking closely at the PS3 it really is a heck of a machine. It has had HDMI 1.3 from the start. It outputs 1080p, it has a Wi Fi "connection" allowing it to be internet connected, it will play SACD's, it now upconverts DVD to 1080p. And it is a game console.

Sony literally threw everything into it, including the kitchen sink. You have to admire what it can do for it's price.

And we HD DVD supporters know that the $599 is not the real price. It should have been $899 with Sony making $100 per unit.

Instead they eat $200 on each one and have caused their losses to go beyond $2 billion SID.
Lee, you have a valid point, but everyone does'nt want an everything machine. Also, everyone cant afford an everything machine. There's nothing wrong with an everything machine. I just dont think SONY should be forcing it down our throats! Why cant they also sell just a PS3 console that just plays games? Think about it, BLU RAYS are so expensive, if they took it out , we could be buying a PS3 for 250$. I think at this price point they would be kicking everyones ass! Not to take anything away from the WII. I think SONY'S intention was more about selling BLU RAYS than game machines.

goldrushdc
07-19-2007, 12:26 AM
Personally, the inclusion of Blu-Ray is the main reason I'm interested in the PS3. XBox360 and PS3 have approximately the same number of games I'm looking forward to. However, the XBOX360 is a bit more pricey if I want the HD-DVD add-on.

mshulman
07-19-2007, 10:39 AM
Personally, the inclusion of Blu-Ray is the main reason I'm interested in the PS3. XBox360 and PS3 have approximately the same number of games I'm looking forward to. However, the XBOX360 is a bit more pricey if I want the HD-DVD add-on.

That's the only reason I own it. I bought 1 game RFOM when I got it, but after playing the demo returned it. I have about 3 games that I never completed on my 360 that are very similiar.

For me, it was the cheapest blu-ray player out there. Plus the gaming aspect doesn't hurt since I do like to game. Lair has some appeal to me as well as a few others.