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Toshiba 34hfx84

HDCowboy
11-19-2004, 07:25 PM
Just purchased the Toshiba 34HFX84 mid October, in Calgary, AB, Canada.

Recently returned a Sanyo 30744 HDTV to Walmart. Happy with the PQ (allthough the barrel roll phenomenon was present) but was not happy with the inability to adjust tilt. Sanyo was great, called, discussed, and they just said "Return it to Walmart", 40 some days later. (boy I wish they sold Toshiba)

Thought that the Toshiba was the perfect TV for me. Now I'm waiting to see if I was right.

MOM ALWAYS SAYS "you need to say 5 positives before a negative"

- Best Stretch Mode (theatre wide one) to my like. Even prefered it to the Sony 34".

- Adjustments to the picture settings are saved for each input. Great for disabling SVM for high quality images (DVD, HD etc) and for leaving it on for SD Cable. All other settings for each input are saved also.

- Size and esthetics (cabinet appeal) I love the black border arround the tube.... (too many silver electronics IMO.... ) speakers unobtrusive at the bottom of the set. I use 7.1 Hometheater JBL and PIONEER 7.1 DTS/dolby EX setup for sound during movie time. The Set's internal sound is GREAT for regular TV watching (much better than the HF series.--- Cyclone BASS hooah!!!)

- Front AV inputs for the kid's PS/1 or Digital camera or Camcorder.... etc... really missed that on the Sanyo tv I had.

- Dual HDMI inputs, Dual Component, Dual A/V - Svideo and the Front inputs again..... I have to go buy more stuff to hook up now because I can!

Bonus positive.... Lovely, wonderful, excelent, (no barrel roll evident) no distortion issues, great, terrific Picture Quality! Colors were much more preferable to me than the Sony. In the words of a professional guy (Audio/ Video/ Home Theater) who I trust very much (as he wasn't making a dime out of the sale- he does projectors and plasma and LCD and that's it) "the Sony TV's have very vivid colors when viewed beside the competition. That color renditioning can, however, be overpowering when watched for long periods. The colors are almost "CARTOONY" they are so bright and Vivid." - I am forced to agree with the man as I spent a lot of time in various big box stores watching this tv, the Sony, the Panasonic and a couple of others.


NOW THE DIRT.... I had read the negatives on this set, it's sister HF and siblings 30HF and 30HFX84 and still felt that I had done enough independant thinking and shopping on the issue.
I was still very happy with the set on SD theatre wide 1 watching Boston put away the Yankees.

TROUBLE with GEOMETRY became evident while watching a DVD on Component inputs. MOST of my movies are WideScreen enhanced/anamorphic, with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 (or 2.40:1) where you get the horizontal bars top and bottom.

The top of the screen has a horizontal geometry problem where the middle of the top horizontal line bows downward from the left and right corners about one half an inch lower than the height of the top corners.

It's not very apparent untill you have the extreme contrast of the bars against the picture. Then I went back to SD cable and noticed that this geometry problem affects ALL inputs on the TV.

My TV service guy was great in his coming over last Saturday, but couldn't fix the issue. HE sees it too and feels that he needs to try to correct the problem.....

I'VE been obsessing about the issue and finally got a hold of Toshiba Service in Vancouver... They returned my call within three days and are sending the TV store service man back to me with some kind of resolution to the issue. As the Toshiba rep. put it: "IF the geometry problem described is a half an inch out, that would be too much....." he was surprised that I said it was as much as a 1/2 inch out and he will contact the service man to discuss the problem before the service guy comes back...

This is my experience to date with the Toshiba 34HFX84. I will be updating the service as it happens. (Toshiba called me last night at 1900 hrs BC time. 2000 hrs in Alberta) I will trust in the process with Toshiba as their rep was very courteous and attentive. He has encouraged me to get back to him if the next service is not satisfactory.....

To anyone considering Toshiba.... Hang in there and find out what happens with me and this set.... :eek:

Sorry for the long post, I wanted to be thorough.

HDCowboy
11-19-2004, 07:26 PM
Toshiba Canada Vancouver Service rep TAD, suggested to Atlas TV Calgary, to try to install "chevron magnets" on the tube of the tv to straighten out the black bar at the top of my widescreen DVD images (2.35 or 2.40:1 ratio movies). They say (Atlas) that they tried it on the tv at the shop (demo) and no improvement.

Called Toshiba back and the response was that if it was less than a half an inch, that there would be nothing that they could do...measured the amount of pincushion droop and it's about 1/4 of an inch... too little to do anything with: unless it's plasma or lcd flat panel I've been told that geometry will not be perfect and that's all there is to that....

NOW I notice geometry problems on EVERY tv I see.... sh*t.
time to save big $$$$$$$$ for that LCD front projector.....

mopotzne
11-27-2004, 10:02 PM
HD Cowboy: I am currently looking into purchasing the 34HFX84 and I wanted to know from you if the geometry issues are major enough to make you regret the purchase.

This model and the 30HFX84 are the only HD tube tv's on the market that will fit my entertainment center, so this complicates the matter for me. I really don't want to end up with a 27 inch tv, but if the 34HFX84 is not a great tv, I will probably have no choice. Quality is most important to me, so I would have to sacrifice in size if the Toshiba is not all it should be.

Please let me know your thoughts,
Thanks!

HDCowboy
11-28-2004, 03:22 AM
Nothing is perfect. yes I am repeating myself. kinda like a mantra if you will.

No, I do not regret the purchase. I am kicking myself for not having bought from a store that has a liberal return policy though.

I think that I stated the droop is about 1/4" or so.


I have seen HF and HFX tv's with slightly less geometry trouble... so, if I had bought from say F.S. in Canada, with the 30 day no hassle return or exchange, I probably could have ended up with a tv with only the slightest geometry problem.
It is only evident with the widescreen movies with 2.35:1 aspect ratio. (black bars present) 4:3 mode is actually very good. As is 1.85:1 movies or any stretched standard def cable.
In my case anything that fills the screen vertically is very OK.
I am going to activate my HDTV STB in the morning and see how that is and will update here after viewing. Stuck with Shaw on this issue though and that's the big 6 channels with 50% of them being the same as other.... One day on the demo in the store there were 3 channels with PBS HD. WOO HOO! (can't mount dish due to condo bylaw).... I'll post the HD result tomorrow night.

To sum up, for the dollar, the appeal of the cabinet, color, size, shape and functions and stretch modes and input options GREAT tv. Really.

Just wish that Toshiba wasn't weasling out of customer satisfaction.... My problem might not bother some, but it bothers me and I thought that would be enough to have Toshiba work with me on this....

Last note, was watching Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon in 2.35:1 tonight and I notice the bent bar less than ever.... good luck with the decision making. Stay tuned for HD report. ALL TV's HAVE SOME KIND OF ISSUE>>>> whatever it is.

ja2935
11-28-2004, 10:21 PM
My 34HF84 does not seem to have any black bar distortion or droop. I am generally very pleased with it in both DirectTV SD mode (stations vary considerably in signal quality) and for DVDs. I have yet to arrange for an HD service.

HDCowboy
11-28-2004, 10:23 PM
It's here... despite all my trouble (percieved and otherwise) with my Toshiba TV, My HDTV is finally HD! Shaw Motorola 6408 up and running this morning, and WOW :eek: Can't believe that I waited this long... Can't notice geometry problems when you are captivated by all of that detail in the picture. Recorded my first show tonight, can't wait to see how it turned out. Watched some of ICE AGE and the detail is definitely there over the DVD. Don't get me wrong though... DVD is still where it's at for no commercial viewing.... Just cant get over the images... Disappointing the black bar thing while watching the football games today though. The bars are smaller than 4:3 natural mode on my TV, and the detail is great, I just wish that the networks would get with the times man, I mean 16:9 is here, why don't they try to keep up? God, thankyou for my HDTV (and the deer I shot last week- they're both mmm mmm good) :cool:


edit: this issue of geometry, remember folks we are only talking about 1/4" variance in this horizontal line.... tonight I put the tape back on it and depending how you hold it, some might call it 3/16". If you are not anal like me about wishing that the whole world was perfect YOU may not even SEE what I'm talking about. Just enjoy your tv, no matter what kind you get.... That's what I'm gonna do.

HDCowboy
11-30-2004, 10:46 PM
Typo in the post, The new box I drive is the 6208 NOT 6408

Ok thankyou Ok thankyou.

hsiegel
01-11-2005, 04:47 PM
Hi Cowboy, What do you thionk of the Picture Size and Picture Modes?, which ones do you use most. Thanks

HDCowboy
01-11-2005, 10:33 PM
I bought 34" and though it would have been nice to go bigger, I really wanted CRT direct view for image quality...

I mean after this it's gotta be DLP, LCD flat or RP and I'm not convinced on those technologies yet...

PQ is great for DVD - I only buy widescreen and only set to full.

PQ is fantastic on HD... :eek: wow!!! :cool: can't say enough about that. Full or normal depending on the STB setting.

SD cable I don't watch it through the STB I view that off air direct. Theater Wide One mode.

good luck

Doctorman
01-21-2005, 11:35 PM
I guess I should tell my Toshiba 34HF84 story:

I pretty much needed to get the 34" Toshiba because I have a nice amoir that I didn't want to scrap--and the diameter of the amoir is 36", so the Toshiba was the biggest tube HD set that would fit.

So I started calling around and no one in the entire greater Sacramento area had the 34" Toshiba.

So I ordered one from Crutchfield because they have the most liberal return policy I could find on the net. They'll take back any tv within 30 days, no questions asked.

When the set finally arrived, I get the 160 lb monster in the cabinet and it won't turn on! Nothing. What a let down.

So I called Crutchfield and they said they'd rush me out a new set immediately and pick up the old one.

5 days later my new set arrives and they pick up the first one. The set has worked beautifully since then. I'm very happy with it. I don't notice any distortions or anything like that. High HDTV from Dish and DVDs look great.

HDCowboy
01-22-2005, 08:15 PM
on your new TV... I think you'll love it...

I love mine...

In fact... I think I'll go watch it right now. :D

hsiegel
01-23-2005, 06:02 PM
I can only say WOW.. Comcast is coming out with the HD box soon, I can't imagine getting better PQ than with a DVD, can't wait to see. I used A DVD disk to calibrate the settings and can only say it is well worth the cost ($35.00) and effort.

patsfan4553
01-25-2005, 08:28 PM
Looking for help. I apologize but sometimes I'm a little slow. I read the manual but I must be missing something. When I go into the picture setting menu and fix the contrast brightness etc and I save the settings I want nothing gets saved. I highlight save and click on the enter button to save the settings. Is this the wrong way.

It is driving me nuts. Your guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks :)

HDCowboy
01-26-2005, 05:00 AM
go to page 45 of the manual....

http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/ConsumerProductSupport/Manuals/TV/2004/34HFX84.pdf

make sure that "save" changes to "done"

that should be it... ;)

ronnieh
01-26-2005, 11:17 AM
Hello All,

I noticed yesterday while watching an HD channel that there was some strange red/pink collors that were appearing on the sides of the screen. Actually I put in a DVD as well and I thought I noticed the same collaration as well.

Has anyone ever expeienced this? If so, do you know what the problem may be?

Thanks

HDCowboy
01-26-2005, 11:05 PM
I'd be guessing, so I don't know if I should...

Blooming?
Convergence?
Red Push?

all terms I don't know too much of anything about...

where's your color set at? try bringing it down... bout 39 on my set.

rbinck
01-27-2005, 07:05 AM
If you have one, try a compass near the TV with it turned off. You may have a magnetic field near your TV. Could be a speaker whose shielding is not good enough.

HDCowboy
01-27-2005, 07:16 AM
Sides of the screen....

It's so simple it just might work....

Thanks again rbinck.... there's a reason that you are the SuperModerator around here....

(gosh, why couldn't I think of that... :confused: sides.....)

alalk3
01-28-2005, 04:20 PM
Hi all. New to forum. Hi HDCOWBOY. We meet again. I own a 34hf84. I've had it approx. a month and love it. Read about all the geom. problems. Went over TV carefully and endlessly. Almost perfect. In 4.3 (which normally I always watch in theater wide one) there is the very, very slight bow on right side vertical. You really have to search it out. Greg Loewen is calibrating TV in couple weeks if he can easily adress it fine, if not fine, and yes I am critical by nature. Just wanted to comment on shielding problem. I felt it was sthat right away simply because my front Paradym monitors arn't shielded. Throw a very tiny livingroom in the mix and you know I deal with it.

HDCowboy
01-29-2005, 03:22 AM
on the calibration pending... look forward to hearing the results... (make sure you take lots of notes.... for the rest of us too cheap :D ahem ... I mean broke of course, to pay for our own calibration) I'd be particullarly interested in knowing what all those service menu codes mean... If you can find out.


Good luck...

patsfan4553
01-29-2005, 08:22 AM
Just trying to get a consensus on what peoples pictures settings are in the preference mode. I have tried numerous settings and depending on what I'm watching what looks the best. If you have a minute just let me know what the settings are in TV and DVD viewing. I know things look different to other people but we have to be close.

I'm going to try the AVIA this afternoon to see if this helps.

Thanks again :)

alalk3
01-29-2005, 10:09 AM
I can ewll you how I calibrated my 34HF84. I don't know that it will help-so many variables going on.
contrast-58
brightness-54
color-34
tint-g2
sharpness and all other enhancements off
tube temp-cool.
used Avia to calibrate. It will be proffessionally calibrated in next few weeks. My take on professional calibration is this. I have spent a fortune on cables which sometimes made no noticible differeence. I've already spent a lot of bucks on TV and rest of equipment. May as well pay some guy to come over w/color analyzer and tweak it well.

alalk3
01-29-2005, 10:11 AM
Oh yeah. I always keep TV on FILM. Takes out SVM

Bear1
05-05-2005, 08:07 AM
I had the Toshiba 34HFX84 since Late November ($1599 w/ matching stand @ Crutchfield) and have been very pleased although I sometimes wish I had the Sony XBR960 (I like the built-in HD tuner and Consumer Reports gave it high marks). I think I suffer from "the grass is always greener" syndrome.

All my friends and family have remarked on the great picture and sound. To fully enjoy the home theater experience, I added an Onkyo TX SR702 100 watt receiver (paid $579 @ J&R.COM), Polk 7200 speaker system (retailed at $1,400 bought on sale for $699 @ Crutchfield), and hooked up my Toshiba DVR dvd player (bought with my rewards points).

I've had no problems and movies like Star Wars, Brave Heart, and Lord of the Rings are great on it. The HD broadcasts are crisp and clear. All things considered, it is a great TV!