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Hackers discover HD DVD and Blu-ray "processing key" -- all HD titles now exposed

joba78
02-13-2007, 08:17 AM
These types of articles are becoming more and more frequent. If true, there goes the HD neighborhood. Follow link...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/hackers-discover-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-processing-key-all-hd-t/

RedSIinPA
02-13-2007, 02:05 PM
I agree with several of the comments on that article. The cost of the HD-DVD/BluRay burners, the cost of the blanks, the whole process, works in the favor of the studios. I'd rather buy them and play it straight and simple.

I looked into doing the whole "rent from netflix" and burn them. I played w/ compression ratios and compared PQ's to the original discs. What I found was, I did care about loss in PQ. I did care about the amount of time I spent on my PC (when I spend 8 hrs a day already working on computers), all in the name of ripping off movie studios and getting free movies. In the end, I'd rather pay and be a real owner. But hey, that's just me. Not to mention, used good condition DVD's at EBGames are cheap!

HiramAbiff
02-13-2007, 04:55 PM
Not enough people have the equipment to really utilize downloaded HD movies or the time, money, etc. for it to be convenient. I don't think this will be quite the same as our situation with ripped DVDs.

The money and convenience thing will be different five years from now or even two years from now, but what about the time?

I'm just worried that movie studios will stop supporting pre-recorded HD movies altogether.

joba78
02-14-2007, 10:52 AM
**UPDATE**

More info from another source

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12780/HD-DVD-and-Bluray-Disc-Copy-Protection-Fully-Hacked/

scamp
02-14-2007, 11:03 AM
All DRM ever does is keep honest people honest.

I've been able to copy DVD's for years with very little effort. Am I secretly amassing a mega movie library to rival that of Ted Turner? No. All I really do with my DVD-Burner is churn out home vid's of the kids soccer/plays/concerts, etc... to ship out to the grandparents.

I have Netflix for most day-to-day viewing and I have purchased the movies I want to keep: Lord of the rings, Way too much Disney c*ap, The Bond Movies, etc... I don't see how that process will change much for me whether I can copy HD movies or not.

fryet
02-14-2007, 12:58 PM
Personally, what I would like to see is something that allows you to control your own DVD player. I hate that I can't fast forward through the FBI warning like I could on a VCR. Heck, I can't even turn my DVD player off during the FBI warning. This is my machine, it should do what I say when I tell it. There was one DVD that drove me crazy. It wasn't programmed in such a way that I could skip the previews, so I had to watch all of the stupid previews. I then paused the movie for a long period of time, and my DVD player eventually stopped the movie. Well, I couldn't restart where I left off, so I was forced to go through the previews again.... I don't think I ever did end up watching the full movie since I was so mad and unwilling to be a slave to the machine.

HDohioTV
02-14-2007, 01:34 PM
The FBI and Interpol have more sway than you do, fryet, it seems. BTW: what movie was that ?

scamp
02-14-2007, 01:45 PM
An very good point Fryet.

How about it all you early adopters: Does HD or Blue let you get to the movie faster, force you to watch all the previews, put you to sleep with unskippable law enforcement ads?

tracy
02-14-2007, 02:42 PM
Agreed. Movies I like that I know I will watch once in a while - I copy them. The main reason is to get rid of the fbi warnings and all the stupid previews I'm forced to watch.

If they want to control my DVD player, then I'll just copy the movies so i can control my DVD player. I rent a lot of foreign films and one had over 10 minutes of previews that I could not fast forward or skip - that was ridiculous to the point where i refuse to watch a movie like that - I'll decrypt it and take out all the 'junk' and prohibited user actions and then watch it the way I want to.

joba78
02-14-2007, 03:21 PM
So is this what gets the "dander" up of you burners?...Being able to remove the content you are forced to watch through decryption...Thus, taking control of your DVD players? Another form of sticking it to "The Man"?

I am confused...

fryet
02-15-2007, 05:18 PM
I don't think that the FBI or InterPol are insisting on the message being displayed, and being unskippable. It is the movie studios as a way to combat theft. For what it is worth, I have never made an illegal copy (I don't even know how to make copies of movies), nor accepted an illegal copy of a movie. I don't remember what movie would not allow me to skip the previews - it was not a major movie, so I am sure they just made a mistake when they made the DVD.

To be honest, I respect the movie studios desire to protect their movies from copying. Unfortunately, they have gone to "Big Brother" with their approach and done the aforementioned stuff, plus region encoding (why shouldn't I be able to watch a Japanese movie on my American DVD player?). In the end, I think it just makes the public unsympathetic toward their cause.

fryet
02-15-2007, 05:49 PM
To be honest, I don't think that BR is fully hacked, either. Since there will be a Java machine running on the player, I expect the movie studios to code various copy protection schemes to guard against theft. Once the hackers break one scheme, the movie studios will start releasing movies using a new scheme.

paulc
02-16-2007, 10:07 AM
History has long ago proven beyond any doubt that the studios will never, ever win this spiral. The more games they try and play, the more the hacker community will go after them. Guess how much you pay for this stuff is due to this escalating war?

joba78
02-16-2007, 11:38 AM
This is one of those stories that we would like to witness first hand. Heresay is just that [heresay]. My point is that these types of headlines are popping up with more frequency as of late. Which kind of leads one to apply some truth to the rumor.

@ fryet...I do agree. the protection schemes are designed to evolve. So being "fully hacked" is debatable.

Beck38
02-17-2007, 03:19 AM
Personally, what I would like to see is something that allows you to control your own DVD player. I hate that I can't fast forward through the FBI warning like I could on a VCR.

There are several machines 'on the market' with the capability to zip or jump through 'prohibited operations'; you need to seek them out however, the companies making them have a pretty low profile and arn't sold at your local bigbox retailer. But they do exist.

Start here first

http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/xq/asp/pid.65/aid.007782/qx/details.htm

Then go here

http://www.220-electronics.com/dvd/dvdorig.htm

and work your way out. You'll find what you're looking for.

Beck38
02-17-2007, 03:29 AM
History has long ago proven beyond any doubt that the studios will never, ever win this spiral. The more games they try and play, the more the hacker community will go after them. Guess how much you pay for this stuff is due to this escalating war?

ANY encryption system that is static, that is burned into a disk and never changed or changeable, is doomed.

Way back when HD dvd players were first being talked about, it was originally going to have a 'smart card', updateable via phone line or by eventual swap out if the code was so compromized. (Just like the DBS recievers). The first consumer groups they tested took one look at that 'requirement' and promptly threw up at it. So, they tried to make an static encryption code that couldn't be cracked. Which is an oxymoron in the world of codes. There is simply no way, especially with the available desktop computing power that exists today, to achieve a static encryption system like that. It's Doomed.

But they've taken the 'cheap' way out. Going back now to the 'original idea' of smartcards would be more disasterous.