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Pioneer to launch new high-definition plasma TV

Cass
01-08-2007, 08:16 AM
Pioneer to launch new high-definition plasma TV (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070107/tc_nm/electronics_pioneer_dc_1)

ah802
01-08-2007, 12:46 PM
I'm a bit suprised that Pioneer thinks that Plasma still has legs. Of course they need to differentiate their products from the competition and most of us would agree that for contrast and colour saturation, that plasma has the edge over LCD at this time. But the issues of burn-in and power consumption have not been fully resolved. The solutions for burn-in seem to be bandaid at best with routines that overburn the entire screen to match the problem area. Not to mention break-in procedures that last a month and sharply degrade image brightness. For the majority who still have 3:4 aspect content, plasma burn-in is just too risky. OTH: with China manufacturers coming on stream.. it's a smart move, the LCD panel prices are set to rocket to the bottom and plasma is a whole different kettle of fish.

I would have hoped that Pioneer would have gone along the lines of backlight enhancement or to come up with a price sensitive consumer variant of SED.

fryet
01-08-2007, 01:00 PM
Plasma is my personal technology of choice. I currently own a plasma EDTV, and my hope is to buy a 1080p plasma HDTV this year as well. If you want the best possible picture today, then you will need to get a plasma. As for burn-in, even with my "cheap" EDTV, burn-in has only been a minor issue playing some video games. As for power consumption, the plasma group argues that plasmas do not consume more power than LCDs, depending on the content that is being displayed (on more bright movies, it may indeed, but darker movies, it would use less). Personally, power consumption is not that big of a concern to me - if I can afford an expensive TV, I can afford the power to run it.

BamaPanda
01-08-2007, 02:24 PM
As for burn-in, even with my "cheap" EDTV, burn-in has only been a minor issue playing some video games.

I am with you on PDP. I do hope they are here to stay, but LCD will probably eventually get good enough that it will prevail.

As for 'burn in' - I would like to see the term IR (image retention) used when applicable -as often that is what we actually mean when we say 'burn in'. I am guilty of that myself. A really good case of burn in actually is something that requires a good deal of effort to correct and sometimes to no avail. Actually, the only case I have heard of personally that got this bad was a Zenith 50PDP that was left on in a store, at full bore settings, continually on CNN for days on end - straight out of the box - with no thought for adjustment. In the end it was a bad burn in. Most people would never treat their new HD set this way.

I was at one of my dealers today, and they had a 42" HD set on display - the 42PC3D. It was a rental store and the set had been in and out a number of times, and the the settings on it were 100% on contrast, and 80% on brightness - yada, yada. It had to be that high as it was 20' from the front of the store, all windows and bright sun. It was 90 degrees angled from the windows - pointing to the middle of the store. Amazingly it showed a fantastic OTA picture.

I was concerned about 'burn in' - as they had this set - at those settings - with logos and all just playing away all day. I asked, and the only comment I got was that the station logo on the lower right would give some IR after a day of playing - but it would go away - when they changed the channel.

Bottom line - BURN IN is way overhyped.

RBundy13
01-10-2007, 03:30 PM
A year ago we bought a Widescreen LCD TV. I assumed we were behind the times at the time of this purchase. Imagine my surprise when I realized 98% of all programming is still non HD 4:3.
So a year later we have probably used the TV 80-90% in 4:3 mode.
What a waste. Watching a football game the other day, full 16:9 HD
beautiful...... except for the black lines burned in on each side from watching 4:3. I had no idea that would happen. I'm kinda ticked. My own fault, but I'm surprised the potential for wrecking your expensive TV isn't more widely reported. I , for one don't think it is overhyped, it's drastically underhyped.

BamaPanda
01-10-2007, 08:48 PM
A year ago we bought a Widescreen LCD TV. I assumed we were behind the times at the time of this purchase. Imagine my surprise when I realized 98% of all programming is still non HD 4:3.
So a year later we have probably used the TV 80-90% in 4:3 mode.
What a waste. Watching a football game the other day, full 16:9 HD
beautiful...... except for the black lines burned in on each side from watching 4:3. I had no idea that would happen. I'm kinda ticked. My own fault, but I'm surprised the potential for wrecking your expensive TV isn't more widely reported. I , for one don't think it is overhyped, it's drastically underhyped.
From your perspective it is underhyped, I am sure.
That is a bummer for sure. I had read a few posts that LCD's would burn in, but this is one of the most radical examples I have heard of.
First a question, is there a fix?
Second a comment. Maybe it is good in a sense that burn in is something that is widely accepted as a possibility for PDP. It would make a sensible owner use the product right.
Perception being what it is on LCD would make an LCD owner think there was no danger, but from what you say - there is. Hate that you have found out the hard way.