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LG "60 Plasma (60PC1D) - Any Opinions?

Stealth
12-13-2006, 07:42 PM
i just discovered this TV today, and it seems quite tempting. i was leaning toward the Panny "58, but this is odbviously bigger with what seems to be better features, aswell as $400 cheaper! it has a much more appealing (IMO) cabinet also.

i havent actually seen the set in person, any thoughts on this telly?

BamaPanda
12-13-2006, 07:56 PM
i just discovered this TV today, and it seems quite tempting. i was leaning toward the Panny "58, but this is odbviously bigger with what seems to be better features, aswell as $400 cheaper! it has a much more appealing (IMO) cabinet also.

i havent actually seen the set in person, any thoughts on this telly?

I am a rep for LG, and this set is a great seller all the way around. It is solid, well built and looks great. It has excellent features - including the latest 7th generation panel + it has ISP and a two year warranty - just to name a few things. Also LG has a policy if - in the event that you need a repair - and the new parts are not shipped within 15 days of order - customer gets a new set.
Also rebates right now on that set can save an additional 500.00 - depending on where you buy it.
Rebate # 06-211 starts on the 17th.
Here is the rebate page..
http://us.lge.com/md/product/prodsubcategorylist.jsp
That rebate may not be listed yet, but I have a copy if you need it.

HDDVDSupport
12-13-2006, 08:07 PM
I am a rep for LG, and this set is a great seller all the way around. It is solid, well built and looks great. It has excellent features - including the latest 7th generation panel + it has ISP and a two year warranty - just to name a few things. Also LG has a policy if - in the event that you need a repair - and the new parts are not shipped within 15 days of order - customer gets a new set.
Also rebates right now on that set can save an additional 500.00 - depending on where you buy it.
Rebate # 06-211 starts on the 17th.
Here is the rebate page..
http://us.lge.com/md/product/prodsubcategorylist.jsp
That rebate may not be listed yet, but I have a copy if you need it.

What's ISP?

BamaPanda
12-13-2006, 08:35 PM
ISP=Image Sticking Prevention. LG uses an orbiter, whitewash, and inversion if the need ever does arise.
Burn in is less of a problem than ever for PDP - on any major brand - but it good to have measures such as these to give extra peace of mind. Some, like Pioneer - defy logic by saying they have no POSSIBILITY of burn in. The panel they use is top quality - like LG's and others - but burn in should be addressed properly - not ignored IMHO.

Stealth
12-13-2006, 08:58 PM
thanks bamapanda, being an LG rep i understand if you may be a little biased, but have you had a chance to compare this unit with the Panny or Pioneer side by side for PQ?

DW3isabeast
12-13-2006, 09:03 PM
I am a rep for LG, and this set is a great seller all the way around. It is solid, well built and looks great. It has excellent features - including the latest 7th generation panel + it has ISP and a two year warranty - just to name a few things. Also LG has a policy if - in the event that you need a repair - and the new parts are not shipped within 15 days of order - customer gets a new set.
Also rebates right now on that set can save an additional 500.00 - depending on where you buy it.
Rebate # 06-211 starts on the 17th.
Here is the rebate page..
http://us.lge.com/md/product/prodsubcategorylist.jsp
That rebate may not be listed yet, but I have a copy if you need it.

I've got a question. How do the rebates work? For example, an LG tv is at BestBuy listed at 1799.99, but sale price is 1499.99. Did they already take the rebate price out, or would I be able to take off an additional $300.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7675731&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050030&id=1134702498520

NVM that, I just saw that Bestbuy and a few others are excluded.

BamaPanda
12-13-2006, 11:07 PM
thanks bamapanda, being an LG rep i understand if you may be a little biased, but have you had a chance to compare this unit with the Panny or Pioneer side by side for PQ?

I have seen good and bad examples when trying to compare sets in stores. Many times the brand that the store wants to sell has a bit extra tweaking.
I do know that LG controls every step of the mfg. process, as do a few others (not many). LG is the biggest mfg. of flat panels, and many other brands buy their panels from LG.
That said - any HD set from a top tier brand will give a fantastic picture once you get it home and set up properly to suit the individual and the environment. I think LG has some pluses mentioned prior that others don't have, but other brands have their pluses too. I just think warranty and service speak volumes.

BamaPanda
12-13-2006, 11:11 PM
I've got a question. How do the rebates work? For example, an LG tv is at BestBuy listed at 1799.99, but sale price is 1499.99. Did they already take the rebate price out, or would I be able to take off an additional $300.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7675731&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050030&id=1134702498520

NVM that, I just saw that Bestbuy and a few others are excluded.
They are excluded - true - BUT - if you have a smaller chain that is not excluded, or even a mom and pop that will get close to the big box price - then use the rebate - you can really score a deal. Had someone do this in GA.

Stealth
12-14-2006, 06:36 PM
any LG haters out there? all input is appreciated.

thanks!

CC TV GUY
12-14-2006, 09:41 PM
I've never been a big LG fan but they are slighty growing on me. I still think samsung or panasonic have better out of the box preformance but I'm sure with a few adjustments there would be very little differences.

BamaPanda
12-15-2006, 10:07 AM
I've never been a big LG fan but they are slighty growing on me. I still think samsung or panasonic have better out of the box preformance but I'm sure with a few adjustments there would be very little differences.
That is a very good point, CC - and one many fail to consider. I really think that one can get pretty much any major brand - and once they set it to their own preferences and the home environment - along with good input (HD & SD) - they will be happy.

Quality of components, the quality of the actual build, plus good warranty and service are items of real importance that are often overlooked in the quest for the perceived best PQ - or the lowest dollar.

HDDVDSupport
12-15-2006, 10:30 AM
I've never been a big LG fan but they are slighty growing on me. I still think samsung or panasonic have better out of the box preformance but I'm sure with a few adjustments there would be very little differences.

Why would you judge a display like that based on how it looks out of the box?

Cle. Plasma
12-15-2006, 12:18 PM
LG stangds for Life's Good. I was told LG is the old Gold Star company that renamed themself and got a new logo. Bottom line is a person still gets what they pay for.

I vote Panasonic, Pioneer, or Samsung.

BamaPanda
12-15-2006, 01:38 PM
LG stangds for Life's Good. I was told LG is the old Gold Star company that renamed themself and got a new logo. Bottom line is a person still gets what they pay for.

I vote Panasonic, Pioneer, or Samsung.
Why do folks say stuff like that? Better to get all the facts.

LG's logo is Lifes Good. Truth is LG is a Mega company. Years back they did own Goldstar, as a subsidiary company. It was not a good brand. It was designed to be cheap, and it was sold at low prices. In that case one absolutely got what they paid for. Not much different than what one might expect with lesser brands today.
Don't recall the date - but LG (long after GS was gone) bought Zenith, and has reshaped that globally into LG.
Zenith was one of the last American companies to succumb to the Asian takeover of electronics. When LG bought them they bought patent rights to virtually all of the HD technology that EVERY mfg. uses today. Did you know that every mfg. pays a royalty to LG for the use of the technology in an ATSC tuner?
LG is the largest mfg. of flat panels, period. They are in the top five - globally as far as sales are concerned, and are climbing rapidly in the states after only a few years. They give better warranties and service than most, and all you have to do is ask a tech who has seen the inside of one of the new sets. He will tell you how good a set it is.
Hope that helps!

Stealth
12-15-2006, 05:02 PM
let me tell you why i am hesitant of LG. i own an LG DVD-upscaler that i have used now for about 2 1/2 years. while i am still satisfied with its overall performance i've always found the menu's to be ugly and "cheap" looking, aswell as the transport functions a little finicky(this particular model you have to hold down FF/RR to scan or press it once to skip -i quite often skip unintentionally which is quite annoying). the remote for this unit was also very cheap but i have a universal so thats really a non issue.

worse though, about a year ago i bought an LG HDD 250gb DVD Recorder. this unit also had sub par looking menus, and the editing functions were limited in comparison to my previous DVD recorder. the nasty part is when it froze up at about 3/4 of the way full (alot of content) and became non operational. it was only a few days after the one month return policy and fortunately i was able to replace it for a new LG unit. thinking this must be an annomally i was quite satisfied. well sure enough 6 weeks later the 2nd unit does the exact same thing. the retailer was good again, but this time i traded it in for a Pioneer 160gb HDD/DVD Recorder. i was glad i did as the pioneer is far superior in features and functionality, and i havent had a single problem with it.

anyway sorry for the long story, but is it silly of me to judge LG based on my experience with their DVD players? if i were to base my judgements like this then really the only electronics that have operated exactly the way they were supposed to without a single problem/annoyance are the pioneer hdd recorder i mentioned above and my 8yr old 36" Sony Wega Flatscreen ED CRT set that now lives in the bedroom and going strong. i realize different devices are probably made in different factories by different people, but there must be something to be said for the average quality control of any given company.

HDDVDSupport
12-15-2006, 06:36 PM
let me tell you why i am hesitant of LG. i own an LG DVD-upscaler that i have used now for about 2 1/2 years. while i am still satisfied with its overall performance i've always found the menu's to be ugly and "cheap" looking, aswell as the transport functions a little finicky(this particular model you have to hold down FF/RR to scan or press it once to skip -i quite often skip unintentionally which is quite annoying). the remote for this unit was also very cheap but i have a universal so thats really a non issue.

worse though, about a year ago i bought an LG HDD 250gb DVD Recorder. this unit also had sub par looking menus, and the editing functions were limited in comparison to my previous DVD recorder. the nasty part is when it froze up at about 3/4 of the way full (alot of content) and became non operational. it was only a few days after the one month return policy and fortunately i was able to replace it for a new LG unit. thinking this must be an annomally i was quite satisfied. well sure enough 6 weeks later the 2nd unit does the exact same thing. the retailer was good again, but this time i traded it in for a Pioneer 160gb HDD/DVD Recorder. i was glad i did as the pioneer is far superior in features and functionality, and i havent had a single problem with it.

Who was the retailer that took care of you?

Stealth
12-15-2006, 06:39 PM
Who was the retailer that took care of you?

The Future Shop (Canada). why do you ask?

HDDVDSupport
12-15-2006, 06:50 PM
The Future Shop (Canada). why do you ask?
Just wondering, since they took the unit back twice, both times after the return policy was up.

No Future Shops here, though.

omeletpants
12-15-2006, 07:17 PM
Bama, we love you but you are an LG employee and spend a lot of time here hawking LG products. LG does not have a good reputation in many of the technologies they compete. Before I spend big bucks on a 60" plasma there better be a history of reliable performance and innovation. LG isn't there yet.

Stealth
12-15-2006, 08:20 PM
Just wondering, since they took the unit back twice, both times after the return policy was up.

No Future Shops here, though.

yeah i was quite impressed. in fact i bought a laptop there 3mo ago and was told by the salesman that i would be able to easily go onto microsifts website to purchase and download MCE 2005, as the toshiba i wanted didnt have it preinstalled. i found out after the fact this of course isnt true, microsoft only provides it to be sold preinstalled in a system. when i contacted the salesmen afterwards he directed me to another 3rd party PC retail outlet that had MCE 2005 available to purchase for $150. so i called back to the manager and complained of the inconvenience and sure enough she sent said salesmen to the 3rd party outlet to purchase the software then had her tech install it for me -all for free! :)

BamaPanda
12-15-2006, 08:46 PM
Bama, we love you but you are an LG employee and spend a lot of time here hawking LG products. LG does not have a good reputation in many of the technologies they compete. Before I spend big bucks on a 60" plasma there better be a history of reliable performance and innovation. LG isn't there yet.

If you read my posts, you will see that I love HD - period, and I do not smack another brand. What you just stated is your opinion. I have been in the wholesale business for over 30 years, and this is one of the best sets I have ever sold - and I have sold Sammy, Hitachi, Sanyo, Sony - others - starting out with Zenith way back when.

As I have stated on many occasions - any top tier set will give great HD. What you may consider to be the best is your opinion too, and from what I see on this forum it matters not whether you are a rep or not - the passions run high for ones own particular choice.

If LG is not there yet, they sure are fooling many folk around the world. They have JD Power awards for service & quality, and many other awards. Also there are other top tier brands who buy their panels from LG that are being pretty foolish too.

Check back with me in about 3-5 years when LG is in the top three in sales in this country.

BamaPanda
12-15-2006, 08:52 PM
If I sounded a bit emotional in the above - I apologize. Thing is I have been careful not to put another brand down and generally do my best to elevate HD understanding. That has not been the case with some others who wish to smack LG, usually with little basis for what they say.

CC TV GUY
12-15-2006, 09:11 PM
Why would you judge a display like that based on how it looks out of the box?
The reason I said that was because its what my average customer looks for. Even if I told them that it can be adjusted to look the same most don't want the hassle. You won't find any out of the box settings on my DLP.

Kai
12-16-2006, 08:38 AM
Most brands have "tiers" of cost. Cost always includes quality and features. You need to target your purchase by your need, desire and budget. Unfortunately low cost gear generally gives low cost performance and you should not expect more. I have purchased an item or two by GoldStar and did so because I wanted to buy something that was low cost but would work basically well and if anything happened to it, for the kids use, I would not be upset over the loss. I was not disappointed hehehe. I got what I paid for and it worked as I expected.

Regarding LG, I have been in the market for a 50" plasma for some time now but cost and other concerns kept me away until now. Doing much internet homework and lots and lots of in store comparisons led me to believe that now is a good time to buy. I considered Panasonic, Pioneer and LG based on in store picture comparisons and numerous forum thread reading. Panasonic and Pioneer seem to have the most threads and are generally regarded as the best, arguably, plasmas out there for pq, quality of construction and cost though the Pioneer is at the top of the cost chain. LG has less threads but seems to have a larger percentage of satisfied customers. There does not seem to be much in the way of customer complaints though there will be manufacturers defects on any product and it sucks to get the "bad" unit when taking it out of the box.

I decided on the LG 50PC3D based on overall pq, sd and hd, reviews, side by side comparisons with Panasonic and Pioneer, customer reviews on internet forums and finally cost. Last weekend Best Buy had the 50PC3D on sale for $2099.00 US, $600.00 off. That was the deal clincher and I took one home last Sunday.

Right out of the box this tv worked great. The base was already attached, great because we have not yet decided if we want to wallmount it, and after setting it on its' stand had it running in 15 minutes. Set up was easy and I only had to adjust the contrast and sharpness, both at max, for a basic picture. I am using hdmi for dvd paly and component cable for tv via dvr box. Standard tv signals are quite good on this tv and HD signals are awesome as are dvd movies on my low cost, $80.00, Philips upconversion dvd player.

I claibrated it several days ago using the DVE disk and the pq has improved dramatically but still needs some tweaking...meaning I just want to play around with the settings some more hehehe rather than a "need"...

The LG brand carries a 2 year warranty compared to one year by the others but with the extended warranty I am not overly concerned.
To this point I am a very satisfied customer and I even have a major WAF, Wife Approval Factor. She especially likes the slim profile compared to the older crt based projection tv it replaced.

Good luck on your purchase and keep us informed.

Stealth
12-16-2006, 12:52 PM
great input Kai thanks! i was actually told in another forum that for some reason the 50" LG looks better than the 60". i don't know under what conditions this person was able to form that opinion, or if the 50 was just better calibrated than the 60?

its funny how threads work, in the sense there is very little said about certain brands or models. this could be bad meaning no one wants them so no one talks about them. OR it could mean that because people paid less they arent the "type" to go online bragging to the world about their new expensive TV(no offence to anyone with that comment-whatever i end up buying i will be back here to brag about it! lol), and because its a reliable unit there is no need to post looking for fixes to problems.

BamaPanda
12-16-2006, 01:11 PM
One reason you don't see too much on LG as far as the forums is that they are relatively young - as far as being in the US market. Even though they are gaining market share very quickly - there has been much more time under the belts of other mfgs.
One good thing I see is no real complaints. David had a issue with CC after he got his 32" LG LCD, but turned out - it was a non issue.

BamaPanda
12-16-2006, 01:22 PM
I decided on the LG 50PC3D based on overall pq, sd and hd, reviews, side by side comparisons with Panasonic and Pioneer, customer reviews on internet forums and finally cost. Last weekend Best Buy had the 50PC3D on sale for $2099.00 US, $600.00 off. That was the deal clincher and I took one home last Sunday.
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Don't wish to rain on your good buy, but check close. The 600.00 rebate is not supposed to work at BB. If that is what a salesman told you at BB, I might hold his feet to the fire - and see what action you might get, but to my knowledge the rebate was to be built into the price at some of the bigger box stores - like CC & BB.
Here is the rebate page.
http://us.lge.com/md/product/prodsubcategorylist.jsp
Hopefully you still consider it a good buy. Sounds like it. I was in CC last week and they had the 50 for 2499.00.

Congrats on your new set. I wanted the 50, but ended up with the 42PC1DA because of space limitations. Right now it is on the kitchen table playing the matrix through the DVD that I got in the LG HTIB.
Love it! Can't wait to get HD going. Working on the cabinet today.

HDDVDSupport
12-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Don't wish to rain on your good buy, but check close. The 600.00 rebate is not supposed to work at BB. If that is what a salesman told you at BB, I might hold his feet to the fire - and see what action you might get, but to my knowledge the rebate was to be built into the price at some of the bigger box stores - like CC & BB.
Here is the rebate page.
http://us.lge.com/md/product/prodsubcategorylist.jsp
Hopefully you still consider it a good buy. Sounds like it. I was in CC last week and they had the 50 for 2499.00.

Last weekend Best Buy had the 50PC3D on sale for $2099.00 US, $600.00 off.

He said it was on sale, not that he got a rebate.

Kai
12-16-2006, 04:17 PM
Well it was a "sale" price, not a rebate deal, and I did pay $2099.00 for it. Already bought, paid for and in my home working perfectly.
I may just have been lucky and in the right place at the right time. It is now back up to $2500.00 hehehe.

BamaPanda
12-16-2006, 09:58 PM
He said it was on sale, not that he got a rebate.
I just knew there was a 600.00 rebate on that set. I am glad he got it off on the front end.

inazsully
12-17-2006, 01:21 PM
How does the Panny compare to the 55" Hitachi at $2999?