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best plasmas, period

bf360
12-04-2006, 08:09 PM
i was originally going to get a rear projection but i really would rather have a plasma, i have no price limits but am look for two tvs, one for my mini home theater and one for my living room, my theater room is getting a 60, but the living room can get anywhere from a 50 to 60
the family room gets a lot of light and the theater doesnt. What technology would u prefer for each room, thanks in advance
ps 1080p is a must also any model suggestions?
THANKS:bowdown:

Steeb
12-04-2006, 08:15 PM
Pioneer PRO-FHD1 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069731_290043890,00.html?ef_id=1173:3:2 5b70fed97416f2f4ee377f4e51c5d13_660365786:BVWibUGv MUIAADg8AC0AAAAK:20061205021406) The one that says Bad Mother F**ker.

bf360
12-04-2006, 08:20 PM
thanks but i still need a 60 inch and cant find any?
that is also most likely the plasma i will be getting

Steeb
12-04-2006, 08:26 PM
thanks but i still need a 60 inch and cant find any?
that is also most likely the plasma i will be getting

Get a nice front projector instead of the 60". I have my wistful eye on this little gem right here. (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VPLVW100)

bf360
12-04-2006, 08:33 PM
ya i was lookin at that to, but i want to be able to use it during the day, i have two small windows in that room, ive never owned a front projector but will i be able to use it?

Steeb
12-04-2006, 08:35 PM
ya i was lookin at that to, but i want to be able to use it during the day, i have two small windows in that room, ive never owned a front projector but will i be able to use it?

Blackout curtains. If you have the means, there's nothing better than a quality projector.

bf360
12-04-2006, 08:39 PM
will it give a better picture then a plasma? ive honestly never seen a front projector:eek:

RandyWalters
12-04-2006, 08:46 PM
thanks but i still need a 60 inch and cant find any?
that is also most likely the plasma i will be gettingPioneer makes a 60" too:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069729_335762802,00.html

bf360
12-04-2006, 08:50 PM
lol u gotta love that tv is not 1080p yet it accepts a 1080p signal unlike some other tvs that are 1080p but cant accept the signal:yippee:

Bigloww
12-04-2006, 09:10 PM
I love the 65'' 1080p Panny plasma (TH65PX600). It is like $9500. I will look primo in that darker room. If you gotta BB/Magnolia near you, you can scope it out.
Panasonic 65" 1080p HDTV Plasma Flat Panel In Silver - TH65PX600U
http://www.nextag.com/Panasonic-TH-65PX600U-65-510580514/prices-html


A nice Aquos 60'' or 65'' (LC-65D90U) will work nice in the other room. http://www.nextag.com/Sharp-AQUOS-LC-65D90U-83796107/prices-html

Or maybe the Sony 60'' LCD (Sony KDSR60XBR2 60" 1080P). A bit cheaper of course.

BamaPanda
12-04-2006, 09:41 PM
Did not know 60" PDP's were scarce. This is not 1080P - but it has a fantastic HD pix, is loaded with features and a two year P&L warranty, plus it really looks great in black/gloss black.
http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_plasma%20flat%20panel__60PC1D.jhtml

Oh, almost forgot - it has a 500.00 rebate coming up on the 17th.

Steeb
12-04-2006, 10:13 PM
will it give a better picture then a plasma? ive honestly never seen a front projector:eek:

Yes. True theater experience. Home theater nirvana.

You've seen a front projector every time you've been to a movie theater. The consumer ones are just smaller and don't take reels of film.

ideal4u57
12-05-2006, 02:06 AM
I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE FIFTY INCH SIZE. I AM CURRENTLY USING TWO PRO1130 PIONEER ELITE PLASMA TELEVISIONS. ARE THEY THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN, NO, I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE BETTER AND I AM ORDERING MINE AT THE END OF THE WEEK. A PIONEER PRO-FHD1 IS SIMPLY THE BEST PLASMA THAT MONEY CAN HANG ON A WALL THAT IS WITHIN FINANCIAL REASON. MY QUOTE I RECEIVED WAS 5900. I HOPE MY TWO CENTS HELP.....:hithere:

bf360
12-05-2006, 07:32 PM
the sony you mentioned earlier is a projectoin:cool:
but i dont have the space for one, my wall is already ready;)
i really do like the elites but wish there was a 60
that panasonic doesnt look that elegant and i need the tv to look good because it will be on prime display

bf360
12-05-2006, 07:33 PM
I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE FIFTY INCH SIZE. I AM CURRENTLY USING TWO PRO1130 PIONEER ELITE PLASMA TELEVISIONS. ARE THEY THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN, NO, I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE BETTER AND I AM ORDERING MINE AT THE END OF THE WEEK. A PIONEER PRO-FHD1 IS SIMPLY THE BEST PLASMA THAT MONEY CAN HANG ON A WALL THAT IS WITHIN FINANCIAL REASON. MY QUOTE I RECEIVED WAS 5900. I HOPE MY TWO CENTS HELP.....:hithere:
hey do u have any pics of it on your wall
curious how it will look

omeletpants
12-05-2006, 07:38 PM
I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE FIFTY INCH SIZE. I AM CURRENTLY USING TWO PRO1130 PIONEER ELITE PLASMA TELEVISIONS. ARE THEY THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN, NO, I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE BETTER AND I AM ORDERING MINE AT THE END OF THE WEEK. A PIONEER PRO-FHD1 IS SIMPLY THE BEST PLASMA THAT MONEY CAN HANG ON A WALL THAT IS WITHIN FINANCIAL REASON. MY QUOTE I RECEIVED WAS 5900. I HOPE MY TWO CENTS HELP.....:hithere:

The 1130 and the FHD-1 use the same video processor except that the FHD-1 has a chip to handle 1080p. So, unless you are sitting within 6-7 feet and using 1080p DVD the picture quality will be the same

bf360
12-05-2006, 07:40 PM
haha actually the room with light is getting the elite, and the viewing distance is 2 to 6 or 7 feet lol
and yes i have bluray/hd dvd
:thumbsup:

omeletpants
12-05-2006, 08:25 PM
haha actually the room with light is getting the elite, and the viewing distance is 2 to 6 or 7 feet lol
and yes i have bluray/hd dvd
:thumbsup:

Yes, it's a good idea to watch your 50" plasma from 2 feet.

bf360
12-05-2006, 08:28 PM
no the way the room is arranged the couch has to go like that
but no matter which way i put it theres gunna be someone not in the ideal place but if i get any smaller the other side wont look as good

trust me the room is perfect for that size

Steeb
12-05-2006, 09:55 PM
The 1130 and the FHD-1 use the same video processor except that the FHD-1 has a chip to handle 1080p. So, unless you are sitting within 6-7 feet and using 1080p DVD the picture quality will be the same

That's bullshit. Even if they have the same basic processor, the FHD1 uses different panel technology and is able to fully resolve a 1080p image (a big deal to those of us enjoying HD DVD & BD.) Your 6-7 feet comment shows that you're still as uninformed as ever.

Once again, thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion, egg boy.

omeletpants
12-05-2006, 10:30 PM
That's bullshit. Even if they have the same basic processor, the FHD1 uses different panel technology and is able to fully resolve a 1080p image (a big deal to those of us enjoying HD DVD & BD.) Your 6-7 feet comment shows that you're still as uninformed as ever.

Once again, thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion, egg boy.
Every village has an idiot and ours just showed up. Welcome back, Dweeb! I see you are still bristling over our last discussion about entering the service menu and potentially voiding the warranty. So, I understand your embarrassment over providing false information.

Fact is that the processor and panel is identical on the FHD-1 and the other Elites (except for the 1080p chip). Maybe that's why the series is called the "Elite" series, brainiac. Don't believe me just call Pioneer technical services. I did and that's what they told me. But I guess they are wrong and you are right.

On this issue of discerning 1080p content, there are many studies and articles that say after 6' it's not possible to differientiate 1080i vs 1080p. But what do the experts know compared to a lofty computer programer like you. Google them yourself.

Get some sleep, Einstein, as your little programming job will soon be outsourced to Bill in the Bangaladesh Support Center

CC TV GUY
12-05-2006, 10:51 PM
Every village has an idiot and ours just showed up. Welcome back, Dweeb! I see you are still bristling over our last discussion about entering the service menu and potentially voiding the warranty. So, I understand your embarrassment over providing false information.

Fact is that the processor and panel is identical on the FHD-1 and the other Elites (except for the 1080p chip). Maybe that's why the series is called the "Elite" series, brainiac. Don't believe me just call Pioneer technical services. I did and that's what they told me. But I guess they are wrong and you are right.

On this issue of discerning 1080p content, there are many studies and articles that say after 6' it's not possible to differientiate 1080i vs 1080p. But what do the experts know compared to a lofty computer programer like you. Google them yourself.

Get some sleep, Einstein, as your little programming job will soon be outsourced to Bill in the Bangaladesh Support Center
No offense but if you reply on basic tech support over the phone from the manufacturer then you really are uniformed. Most of them are about as clueless as everyone else. It's almost like calling the cable company expecting them to know the boxes inside and out. 9 times out of 10 they are wrong.

omeletpants
12-05-2006, 11:01 PM
No, I spoke to the Product Development Manager. Dweeb and I have had this conversation before

Steeb
12-05-2006, 11:52 PM
No offense but if you reply on basic tech support over the phone from the manufacturer then you really are uniformed. Most of them are about as clueless as everyone else. It's almost like calling the cable company expecting them to know the boxes inside and out. 9 times out of 10 they are wrong.

Dude, Omelet here likes to argue with respected calibrators on here about how calibrating the tv not only makes the picture worse, but also voids your warranty.

He also claims Pioneer plasmas are soft.

He's kind of a tard, really.

omeletpants
12-05-2006, 11:58 PM
He's kind of a tard, really.

Calling someone a tard? That's all you've got? I'm embarrassed for you.

Steeb
12-06-2006, 12:01 AM
Fact is that the processor and panel is identical on the FHD-1 and the other Elites (except for the 1080p chip). Maybe that's why the series is called the "Elite" series, brainiac. Don't believe me just call Pioneer technical services. I did and that's what they told me. But I guess they are wrong and you are right.

1. I never said that they shared the same basic processor.
2. They do not have the same panel. There are more pixels in the 1080p panel, hence the "1080p native" part.

If you can prove to me that the 720p and 1080p displays share the same panel, I'll admit I was wrong. I'm not going to call some $3/hr customer service guy in India who speaks just enough Engrish to pass the hiring exam. I want actual documentation to back up your claim (something you never manage to provide.) I mean, the website says the panels are different (emphasis mine, of course):

Panel Technology PRO-FHD1

Redesigned Deep Encased Cell Structure
New First-Surface PRO color Filter
Crystal Emissive Layer
Wide Viewing Angle
Panel Technology PRO-1130HD

Deep Encased Cell Structure
Crystal Emissive Layer
First-Surface Pure Color Filter

Source PRO-FHD1 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069731_290043890_tab=B,00.html?compName =PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent)
Source PRO-1130HD (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069729_277940811_tab=B,00.html?compName =PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent)

Steeb
12-06-2006, 12:03 AM
Calling someone a tard? That's all you've got? I'm embarrassed for you.

No, it just took a while to double check my facts. I like to be accurate and cite my sources. You should try it some time.

omeletpants
12-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Nice try comparing the 2006 FHD-1 to the 2005 1130. The current model is the 1140, nimrod. Nice job skewing the facts. So, when you do the comparison of the current models the panel is the same, except for the additional pixels any 1080p any panel would have. Good job again, Mr. Misinformation.

Steeb
12-06-2006, 12:17 AM
Nice try comparing the 2006 FHD-1 to the 2005 1130. The current model is the 1140, nimrod. Nice job skewing the facts. So, when you do the comparison of the current models the panel is the same, except for the additional pixels any 1080p any panel would have. Good job again, Mr. Misinformation.

The 1130 and the FHD-1 use the same video processor except that the FHD-1 has a chip to handle 1080p. So, unless you are sitting within 6-7 feet and using 1080p DVD the picture quality will be the same

You made the statement. You named the model, you fucking dolt. But since you want to be a penis about it, here's what the 1140 says under Panel Technology:


Deep Encased Cell Structure
Crystal Emissive Layer
First-Surface Pro Color Filter
New Dielectric Layer

Source. (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069729_331404007_tab=B,00.html?compName =PNA_V3_ProductDetailsComponent)

Doesn't look the same to me. In fact, the only difference between the description of the 1130 and the 1140 is the "New Dielectric Layer" - a feature not found on the PRO-FHD1. hmmm - that suggests they could be different... how odd...

Care to actually provide some evidence to support your claim now? Didn't think so.

360kid
12-06-2006, 12:59 AM
I like a good debate here's what I found with proof of course.

1.) The 1130 and the FHD - 1 are completely different sets. Since these are "fixed pixel" displays. A 720p and a 1080p cannot have the same panel. The 1130 has 983,040 pixels. The FHD - 1 has 2,073,600 pixels. There are over twice as many pixels in the FHD - 1. Completely different panels. However they both do use the "Pure Drive II Signal" processing, whether or not this is the same chip, i don't know, probably atleast from the same family of chips. Like comparing and AMD 3000 athalon to an AMD 4200+ athalon.


2.) The 1130 and the 1140 also have some significant differences:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/album/compare/0,,2076_310069729,00.html

Simply highlight the two sets and click the "compare" button.

You can clearly see the differences, the main being the jump from 1280x768 to 1366x768 between the two sets. If you go down the list provided you will see almost a dozen differences, most seem minor though.

Good luck and have fun.

Bigloww
12-06-2006, 01:03 AM
Comon boys, it's the holidays........ Lightin up a bit........ :D

360kid
12-06-2006, 01:11 AM
1130 Panel Technology:

Deep Encased Cell Structure
Crystal Emissive Layer
First-Surface Pure Color Filter


VS.


FHD -1 Panel Technology:

Redesigned Deep Encased Cell Structure
New First-Surface PRO color Filter
Crystal Emissive Layer
Wide Viewing Angle



As you can clearly see these are not the same panels.

Specs from www.pioneerelectronics.com

omeletpants
12-06-2006, 11:00 AM
The comparison is the FHD-1 vs the 1140 and they use identical technology. So, the goofy notion that Dweeb keeps pushing that the FHD-1 is different technology is just more of his constant misinformation. BTW, shouldn't you be busy returning old TVs to Costco and taking advantage of them, then bragging about it here?

360kid
12-06-2006, 11:20 AM
The comparison is the FHD-1 vs the 1140 and they use identical technology. So, the goofy notion that Dweeb keeps pushing that the FHD-1 is different technology is just more of his constant misinformation. BTW, shouldn't you be busy returning old TVs to Costco and taking advantage of them, then bragging about it here?


News Flash, they are different technologies. They may be from the same company but they certainly are not the same.

Analogy: Is an AMD 64 3200+ the same as an AMD X2 4800+ ???

Absolutely not! They may share similar features since they are the same brand but they definetely are not the same units.

And don't be upset because you are not smart and basically suck at life. Am I detecting some buyers envy?? eh?? eh?? Aww don't be upset because someone else found a better deal than you. Don't be mad because the store you shop at doesn't have a decent return policy.

I'm Omelettpants, I prefer stores without return policies. I also like stores that charge me more for the same products. I also like stores that charge for a warranty that other stores give out for free. I think money grows on magical trees and I like paying more for everything, that way I can brag to my friends how expensive my stuff and they will think I'm a big deal. Now I'm going to go to pay for someone to kick me in the nuts. Because I love spending money!!

360kid
12-06-2006, 11:29 AM
Comon boys, it's the holidays........ Lightin up a bit........ :D

I agree, people definetly need to lighten up.

Many people are unable to make intelligent arguements which is why they make personal attacks. They attack the person simply because they truly have nothing intelligent to bring to the table.

You will quickly learn that people will have more respect for you and you will appear more credible in your debates if you stick to the arguements made and avoid the personal stuff. This is a rule I always try to follow. Occasionally I deviate from it but only for people who really deserve it. I always hold my tongue and stick to the debate, but if you poke me enough times, then I poke back.

In case you haven't realized no one even cares to hear you speak anymore, You know who you are, this is why you have yet to have a single credible debate on this forum. I will make no more personal attacks on you, it's not my style.

Good Luck

Steeb
12-06-2006, 11:52 AM
The comparison is the FHD-1 vs the 1140 and they use identical technology. So, the goofy notion that Dweeb keeps pushing that the FHD-1 is different technology is just more of his constant misinformation. BTW, shouldn't you be busy returning old TVs to Costco and taking advantage of them, then bragging about it here?

You were the one who made the comparison using the 1130, remember?

The 1130 and the FHD-1 use the same video processor except that the FHD-1 has a chip to handle 1080p. So, unless you are sitting within 6-7 feet and using 1080p DVD the picture quality will be the same.

If you know for a fact that the panels are the same, surely you can prove it, right?

omeletpants
12-06-2006, 12:26 PM
If you know for a fact that the panels are the same, surely you can prove it, right?

I'll just rely on what the Pioneer Product Dev Mgr said. Get back to work, Mr. Soon-To-Be Outsourced. Remember there is some guy in India will to do your job for $3.25/hr.

Steeb
12-06-2006, 12:32 PM
I'll just rely on what the Pioneer Product Dev Mgr said. Get back to work, Mr. Soon-To-Be Outsourced. Remember there is some guy in India will to do your job for $3.25/hr.

Typical intelligent response.

Shall I assume you have no proof, then?

bf360
12-06-2006, 04:14 PM
wow guys sooo anybody know of a good 60inch plasma at 1080p
lmao
in all serious ness they are not the same tv at all

richiephx1
12-06-2006, 04:34 PM
sounds like penis envy to me :D

bf360
12-06-2006, 05:20 PM
wtf
??
:yippee:

freedre
12-06-2006, 05:35 PM
I agree, people definetly need to lighten up.



I think he was talking to you.:hithere:

bf360
12-06-2006, 05:37 PM
nah lol so no other answers jus bs:yippee:

360kid
12-06-2006, 05:45 PM
I think he was talking to you.:hithere:


No he wasn't, if you look at the order of the posts on this thread you can clearly see he was talking to Omlet and Steeb.

Also you have no idea the context of my post and what it refers to. If you knew the whole story you would see there is no need to comment about me. Omlet on another thread was very arrogant and made numerous personal attacks on myself and others, something he does quite often. I simpy posted some info and added to the debate. Omlet's response to my nuetral info was yet another personal attack. So no, I don't need to lighten up.

I always stay on the debate and I never make personal attacks with the exception of two posts out of over a hundred. On two occasions I responded to Omlets attacks on my character, Only twice.

freedre
12-06-2006, 05:53 PM
nah lol so no other answers jus bs:yippee:

Looks like it.

Maybe they don't make 60" plasmas.

bf360
12-06-2006, 06:49 PM
thanks 360kid, your one of the few that provided relevant info, if only i could find a 60inch lol

Steeb
12-06-2006, 08:16 PM
I'll just rely on what the Pioneer Product Dev Mgr said. Get back to work, Mr. Soon-To-Be Outsourced. Remember there is some guy in India will to do your job for $3.25/hr.

You have no clue where I work or what I do for a living.

Ever wonder why everyone argues with you? Even respected calibrators on here, who never get into arguments or pissing contests with people, call you on your bullshit. Could it be that you really don't know as much as you think you do?

emerito99
12-06-2006, 09:19 PM
Panasonic 50PX60U is the best set I ever bought so far.. excellent pic quality.

omeletpants
12-06-2006, 10:18 PM
You have no clue where I work or what I do for a living.

Ever wonder why everyone argues with you? Even respected calibrators on here, who never get into arguments or pissing contests with people, call you on your bullshit. Could it be that you really don't know as much as you think you do?

You changed your profile. You are 30 and a programmer

bf360
12-06-2006, 10:28 PM
yes but not 1080p:hithere:

Steeb
12-06-2006, 11:26 PM
You changed your profile. You are 30 and a programmer

Wrong. You're thinking of someone else. I assure you I am neither 30, nor a programmer.

Wow... don't you look stupid now...

Steeb
12-06-2006, 11:30 PM
yes but not 1080p:hithere:

Post #10 has a 65" 1080p plasma. That's about as close as you're going to get, I think.

Panasonic TH-65PX600U (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702)

bf360
12-07-2006, 03:43 PM
ya so it looks like ill be gettin the panny and the elite, ill be sure to post pics when im all done, should look hot:bowdown:

BamaPanda
12-08-2006, 01:35 PM
Looks like there is a lot of opinion here.
I think you would never go wrong with any of the top tier brands. The only reason I have waited to post on this thread is because LG (the brand I rep) is a bit late to the game in 1080P. Most of that genre will come next year from them, but from all I have seen - someone who wants to spend the extra dollars on 1080P will be very impressed.

I think LG was looking too hard at the fact that in actuality there is no real 1080P content, and it may be a spell yet. They did not see the impact that advertising would make on this new level of HD and it's quick acceptance. The American public can be so gullible.

That said ...here is the first of the new 1080P's to be listed on their site.
http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_lcd%20flat%20panel__47LB1DA.jhtml
That 47" is to be followed by even better models.