High Def Forum
Thank you for visiting. This is our website archive. Please visit our main website by clicking the logo above.

Hr10-250

iserum
08-09-2006, 05:06 PM
is it worth getting this DVR, will i be able to record local hd if i could not get MPEG4 locals? i have H20 receiver right now.

will DTV will swap the DVR with the new one in future?

remlle
08-09-2006, 05:09 PM
yes it will record locals off OTA. ITs a wonderfull unit plus if you call you can get them cheap if not free just by asking what the lowest price you can get one for. they are saying they will be doing a swap out but nothing is set in stone yet.

Beck38
08-09-2006, 05:27 PM
yes it will record locals off OTA. ITs a wonderfull unit plus if you call you can get them cheap if not free just by asking what the lowest price you can get one for. they are saying they will be doing a swap out but nothing is set in stone yet.

The OTA tuner(s) in the 10-250 are nothing short of pathetic, particularly when up against anything decently new, either the H20 or any new HDTV with built in tuner. One has to realize that they are of approx. circa year 2000 design and unless you are literally right on top of the transmission tower, you will not get a signal decent enough to record, lots of dropouts ect.

ATSC tuners have gotten much better in design over the years, but Tivo has never (to my knowlege) ever upgraded that unit. When I had my unit (a year and a half ago) the performance was about equal to my 2001 RCA DCT100 in OTA performance, i.e., pathetic. Since I've gotten an H20 (very good) and a new HDTV set with built-in Tuner (Samsung) that outperforms even the H20 in OTA. All on the same UHF antenna system with stations at 35+ miles distance (RF power of the stations at 400Kw and above).

So, don't expect anywhere near the OTA performance of the H20 with the Tivo 10-250.

Irv63
08-10-2006, 10:43 AM
what is an H20?

I am looking for HD DVR for OTA channels. I live in Chicago (10 miles from tower) and get all locals in HD great, so I need a HD DVR that will record these so I can watch at my convienence.
Anyone know what type to buy ? I am looking for a OTA HD DVR .

Thanks

The OTA tuner(s) in the 10-250 are nothing short of pathetic, particularly when up against anything decently new, either the H20 or any new HDTV with built in tuner. One has to realize that they are of approx. circa year 2000 design and unless you are literally right on top of the transmission tower, you will not get a signal decent enough to record, lots of dropouts ect.

ATSC tuners have gotten much better in design over the years, but Tivo has never (to my knowlege) ever upgraded that unit. When I had my unit (a year and a half ago) the performance was about equal to my 2001 RCA DCT100 in OTA performance, i.e., pathetic. Since I've gotten an H20 (very good) and a new HDTV set with built-in Tuner (Samsung) that outperforms even the H20 in OTA. All on the same UHF antenna system with stations at 35+ miles distance (RF power of the stations at 400Kw and above).

So, don't expect anywhere near the OTA performance of the H20 with the Tivo 10-250.

drock912001
08-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally Posted by Beck38
ATSC tuners have gotten much better in design over the years, but Tivo has never (to my knowlege) ever upgraded that unit.
TIVO has released software upgrades but Directv hasn't released the upgrades to their customers.As far as the tuner goes the antenna and your proximity to transmission towers play a big role.I have no problems with my ota signals.CBS has one of the better pics out there but I experience audio problems during primetime programming.All in all the HR10-250 is an okay unit it will serve it's purpose though.

coolhdtv
08-10-2006, 11:03 AM
I got the HR10-250 (free with ST/SF) and use it to record local HD OTA. The OTA works well from 02360 35+ miles and I mostly use OTA even though I get MPEG4 locals on the H20. Of course I need the H20 for RSN's.

I hope to get the HR20 HD recorder when it comes out but but still see myself recording/watching locals OTA rather than MPEG4 until they improve the quality.

Irv63
08-10-2006, 11:10 AM
free with (st/sf)? what is st/sf?

and you say you use it to record hd ota channels. do you have to pay subscription with some service or R U saying you can record OTA stuff without going thru direct tv or whatever?

thanks

I got the HR10-250 (free with ST/SF) and use it to record local HD OTA. The OTA works well from 02360 35+ miles and I mostly use OTA even though I get MPEG4 locals on the H20. Of course I need the H20 for RSN's.

I hope to get the HR20 HD recorder when it comes out but but still see myself recording/watching locals OTA rather than MPEG4 until they improve the quality.

coolhdtv
08-10-2006, 11:35 AM
I believe you need to subscribe to D*. ST/SF is an additional sports pack D* provides and use to lure unsuspecting subs like me.

Regarding the HR10-250 deal go here
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=24099

Regarding OTA only with no subscription try here
http://www.highdefforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Irv63
08-10-2006, 01:13 PM
Thanks for the info


I believe you need to subscribe to D*. ST/SF is an additional sports pack D* provides and use to lure unsuspecting subs like me.

Regarding the HR10-250 deal go here
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=24099

Regarding OTA only with no subscription try here
http://www.highdefforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Irv63
08-11-2006, 09:05 AM
CAn I buy 1 of these off EBAY or wahtever and use it to record OTA HD broadcasts without signing up with D*TV or will the unit not work unless you have D*TV and if D*TV is required, then would I need a phone line for the unit to function properly?

I was thinking of having a friend of mine who subscribes to D*TV addd this unit to his account and then bring it over to my house (which I have a HD SAT DISH form an old D*TV subscription I cancelled years agao), plug it in and use it to play and record D*TV as well as OTA braodcasts, hence the reason I wouldnt be able to plug phone line in becuase the phone # wouldnt match the # on the account.

Any thoughts or knowledge on this subject please resond asap. Thanks

drock912001
08-11-2006, 10:13 AM
The phone line is for software updates and pay-per-view.I think direct has to activate the dvr for the recording features to work,that's where the $4.99 monthly fee come in.

Irv63
08-11-2006, 10:16 AM
The phone line is for software updates and pay-per-view.I think direct has to activate the dvr for the recording features to work,that's where the $4.99 monthly fee come in.


Ok, so once the initial setup has been completed - a phone line is not needed?

Will I miss important software updates if I dont have a phone plugged in and if so, will that affect the functioning?

Thanks

drock912001
08-11-2006, 10:24 AM
Well the most recent update hasn't been released yet.Directv posted a teaser on their site all we (subscribers) have to do is make sure the unit is plugged int land line phone and they will do the rest by sending us software version 6.+.That was TiVO's last software upgraed.

Irv63
08-11-2006, 10:43 AM
great - thanks for the info