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Are MPEG4 channels HD-lite?

ghettogreg
07-30-2006, 04:44 PM
Couldn't find the answer after a few searches, so I was curious to find out if the MPEG4 channels (local channels and RSN's) are HD-lite (like the national HD feeds from D* e.g. 1280x1080 instead of 1920x1080).
Thanks in advance

Cornbread
07-30-2006, 05:47 PM
Who cares, most people have 1024 X 768 HDTVs anyway. Heck I doubt anyone with a 1080 TV could tell the difference. I watched CSI the other night, which was on a local MPEG 4 channel and it looked absolutely stunning..

borromini
07-30-2006, 08:01 PM
Who cares, most people have 1024 X 768 HDTVs anyway... Where on Earth did you get that statistic? :confused:

Jimbos
07-30-2006, 08:50 PM
Couldn't find the answer after a few searches, so I was curious to find out if the MPEG4 channels (local channels and RSN's) are HD-lite (like the national HD feeds from D* e.g. 1280x1080 instead of 1920x1080).
Thanks in advance
My opinion : first off I don't have the mpeg 4 yet, but heres what I think is going to happen:
I think the mpeg 4 channels will roll out slowly, if they are HD lite as you suggest, I think they will go to full bandwidth once all the sats are up and running, at that time they can move channels around and allot bandwidth accordingly.
Seeing the mpeg 4 will allow twice as much bandwidth, I think they will boost the signal on HD and also address the SD as well along with adding the rest of the locals and start to bring the National feeds on board as well.

Jimbo

ghettogreg
07-31-2006, 02:51 AM
Who cares, most people have 1024 X 768 HDTVs anyway. Heck I doubt anyone with a 1080 TV could tell the difference. I watched CSI the other night, which was on a local MPEG 4 channel and it looked absolutely stunning..

I care for two reasons:
1. I don't have a 1024x768 set like you say "most people have"
2. I CAN tell the difference quite a bit between OTA broadcast HD and D*'s HD-lite.

treker
07-31-2006, 07:49 AM
Both E* and D* down convert

hitdog042
07-31-2006, 08:23 AM
I care for two reasons:
1. I don't have a 1024x768 set like you say "most people have"
2. I CAN tell the difference quite a bit between OTA broadcast HD and D*'s HD-lite.

Get used to it. All providers compress. Every single one, including cable.

It will be that way probably forever unless a true bandwidth solution is found.

Cornbread
07-31-2006, 04:06 PM
Where on Earth did you get that statistic? :confused:

Well just go to Best Buy and look around, most HDTVs on the market are 1024 x 768 Resolution. There are a few 1080 DLPs, Lycos and SXRDs hitting the stores, but I haven't seen any 1080 Plasmas or LCDs. Now that will soon change in the future, Pioneer is coming out with a 1080 Plasma and Sony with a 1080 LCD, but again, right now, most HDTVs in peoples homes are 1024 x 768 or 720 Resolution.

stchman
07-31-2006, 04:12 PM
Well just go to Best Buy and look around, most HDTVs on the market are 1024 x 768 Resolution. There are a few 1080 DLPs, Lycos and SXRDs hitting the stores, but I haven't seen any 1080 Plasmas or LCDs. Now that will soon change in the future, Pioneer is coming out with a 1080 Plasma and Sony with a 1080 LCD, but again, right now, most HDTVs in peoples homes are 1024 x 768 or 720 Resolution.
Those 720p TVs you see at BB are 1280x720. The 1080p models you see have no 1080p material. OTA will probably never broadcast 1080p and neither cable or satellite plan on it. Right now the only 1080p stuff is Blu Ray demo disc.

borromini
07-31-2006, 04:13 PM
I think if you looked more closely you'd notice that 1280x720 TVs are currently more common than any other HD resolution. There are no 1024x768 RPTVs and yet that type of display is more common than flat panels. As an HDTV resolution, 1024x768 is only present in 37" and 42" plasma TVs...hardly the most common in households and showrooms. :)

Jimbos
07-31-2006, 07:55 PM
Well just go to Best Buy and look around, most HDTVs on the market are 1024 x 768 Resolution. There are a few 1080 DLPs, Lycos and SXRDs hitting the stores, but I haven't seen any 1080 Plasmas or LCDs. Now that will soon change in the future, Pioneer is coming out with a 1080 Plasma and Sony with a 1080 LCD, but again, right now, most HDTVs in peoples homes are 1024 x 768 or 720 Resolution.
This is not true at all,
It may be for BB or CC ....
You will not find the top of the line TV's at BB.
also you will not find that new Pioneer TV your talking about at BB eitherat least not till it has been out for a few years, or the TOTL tv's advance even farther.

I know my TV is a few years old and has better resolution than you are listing.
Mine is not the best out there anymore and it's 2-3 years old and it is listed as 1386 x 788

Jimbo

ghettogreg
07-31-2006, 09:29 PM
Get used to it. All providers compress. Every single one, including cable.

It will be that way probably forever unless a true bandwidth solution is found.

I know that all providers compress the signal. I was just curious if anyone knew if D*'s MPEG4 channels are HD-lite. I know that they're most definitely compressed in terms of bitrate, but what about resolution?
Does anyone know?

Jimbos
07-31-2006, 10:10 PM
I know that all providers compress the signal. I was just curious if anyone knew if D*'s MPEG4 channels are HD-lite. I know that they're most definitely compressed in terms of bitrate, but what about resolution?
Does anyone know?
It's anybodies guess as to what they will do as far as resolution and bit rates...
I would not make any real definate comparisons till ALL the SATS are up and working... I think everything will be changed and adjusted at that time when the new Mpeg4 is fully operational.

Jimbo

upnorth
08-01-2006, 07:18 AM
I know that all providers compress the signal. I was just curious if anyone knew if D*'s MPEG4 channels are HD-lite. I know that they're most definitely compressed in terms of bitrate, but what about resolution?
Does anyone know?

All I can tell you is what I have heard from others and what I have read on these forums If you are getting MPEG 4 locals with out the lip sync issues and picture breakups cut-outs or artifacting they are very close to OTA quality. I quess I am one of the lucky ones with out these problems and am very happy with the PQ:)

Cornbread
08-01-2006, 08:54 AM
This is not true at all,
It may be for BB or CC ....
You will not find the top of the line TV's at BB.
also you will not find that new Pioneer TV your talking about at BB eitherat least not till it has been out for a few years, or the TOTL tv's advance even farther.

I know my TV is a few years old and has better resolution than you are listing.
Mine is not the best out there anymore and it's 2-3 years old and it is listed as 1386 x 788

Jimbo

You made my point, most people that buy an HDTV get them at the mainstream shops, not the more expensive specialty shops. Right now, as we speak and in the past, the vast majority of HDTVs being sold, are and were 720-768 resolution HDTVs, there just hasn't been that many 1080 TVs available (yet). That should change this year and in the future as more and more people are going to be buying the newer 1080 sets, but we are talking here and now, not the future. As an example, ESPNs HD is 720P and it's live HD broadcasts looks just as good as even the best 1080i feed on your 768 HDTV. I would even venture that on most 1080 TVs you couldn't tell the difference. DirecTV's worst HD still looks far better than the expensive Blue ray. Heck, to me, Discovery HD looks almost as good as the spectacular HD-DVD.

Except for the lip sync problem, which by the way is very problematic and widespread, the MPEG4 transmissions look absolutely stunning, just as good as any other HD channel.