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OTA worked great and then i hooked up my HD DVR...

batmomm
06-02-2006, 03:20 PM
ok, I'm clearly I'm new but I'm fairly handy when it comes to hooking things up,s o we just purchased a Samsung S4266 DLP tv and hooked it up to our old Directv DVR. It was great but we kept pining for HD. So I stopped at Walgreens of all places the other day and picked up a small indoor HDTV antenna and hooked it directly to the tv. It worked great and we got all the local channels. Kind of a pain b/c they didn't come through our "guide" on the remote but rather we had to hit the antenna button on the tv's remote to switch over to them.

Well after poking around this forum, we decided to buy the Directv HD DVR from Newegg.com. ok so I hook it all up basically the same as it was before, talk to a few stupid people over at Directv and we're up and running. The guide on the remote lists all the local channels so I try to watch them and they get all pixel-ly and sucky. I move it around. This is with the antenna hooked directly into the H10-250 so then i try to just go the direct route to the tv but we no longer can use the antenna button on the tv remote. It just isn't recognized. I have tried the whole setup with a HDMI cable and regular componenet cables with no difference.

I know a big roof antenna would be ideal but I'm curious what's happening now. If I had never seen the locals, I'd have already bought a better OTA but now that I had them, I wana know why I can't get them back.

Any clue??

also I live in 23236, so I'm pulling off of the Richmond ones

rbinck
06-02-2006, 04:05 PM
The tuner in the DVR is apparently not as sensitive as the tuner in your TV and thus needs a better antenna. You are very close to the transmitters and would think you would not have a problem, but I'd try a better antenna.

DataQ
06-02-2006, 04:07 PM
A lot of what you wrote either doesn't make sense or...

There is no such thing as a 'DirecTV HD-DVR'. Doesn't exist (yet), 'maybe' by the end of this summer. The only HD DVR is the Tivo 10-250, which is what I 'guess' you are really talking about. I don't have direct knowledge on that, but I'll bet the 'off-air HD guide' is the same as my old RCA DTV HD reciever when it comes to the off-air stuff, and the 'guides' are not (repeat: NOT) delievered by DirecTV, but are captured by the off-air digital transmission. (The DirecTv chan guides are of course from the sat).

Now that that's a bit more correct, I would say since the antenna and signal is recognized by the tuner in the tv set, yet not by the Tivo tuner (probably 2-3 generations older at least, btw), that that is the problem. ATSC tuners have, in the last few years, been really improved over the early days. My old RCA, about the same gen as the Tivo, is really lousy compared to the new H20 reciever. Where I got 2 stations really well with the RCA, I get over 8 perfect with the H20 with another 3-4 'okay'. (This with a super-roof top antenna).

So, I'd tend to chalk that down to simply a better ATSC reciever section in the new TV set as opposed to the 3+ year old (maybe 5+ year old) ATSC reciever in that TIVO. Yes, a rooftop antenna might help, depends on the distance to the transmitter towers and the power output of those stations (check the FCC web site). Does your new Samsung TV give you a recieve signal level of your local stations? Like on a 0-100 scale? If they are low or bouncing along, compared to zero or near zero on the Tivo, that would be tellling.

You can bet the new H20-DVR will have the same or better tuner in it as the H20 HD Reciever, but it's not released yet. Personally, I'd get a decent rooftop antenna, there simply is no way you can do better than height above ground or better directionability (depending on where the towers are from you). I'm assuming that you'll check the FCC website and get the miles and power level. Anything more than 5-10 miles away, there's no way an indoor antenna will perform decently through all weather effects.

epaul
06-02-2006, 04:41 PM
http://antennaweb.org reports UHF channels 2.7 and 5 miles away. Even at low power OP ought to be able to pick up these easily unless a mountain is in the way.

What kind of cheap antenna are you using?

What input are you using on the Satellite receiver?

Buy the way, newbie on this site. I like it here, not as hectic as some others. :hithere:

batmomm
06-02-2006, 04:56 PM
There is no such thing as a 'DirecTV HD-DVR'. Doesn't exist (yet)

http://www.dropshots.com/photos/58225/20060602/190933.jpg
The box it came in-I'm not totally crazy:D

anyway I will try a different/better/bigger antenna, thanks

batmomm
06-02-2006, 05:00 PM
http://antennaweb.org reports UHF channels 2.7 and 5 miles away. Even at low power OP ought to be able to pick up these easily unless a mountain is in the way.

What kind of cheap antenna are you using?-RCA ANT301 Amplified Indoor Antenna
What input are you using on the Satellite receiver? the antenna one that says RF IN
Buy the way, newbie on this site. I like it here, not as hectic as some others. :hithere: thanks!

epaul
06-02-2006, 05:10 PM
Others can chime in but I don't think you need an amplified antenna at those tower distances, that may be overloading your receiver. I looked up the RCA ant301 on amazon (he, he) and on the reviews one guy got better reception by unplugging the amplifier.

If you insist on getting another antenna look for a Zenith Silver Sensor.

like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006FXR9/103-5465853-4812615?v=glance&n=172282

epaul
06-02-2006, 05:18 PM
did ya do this?

To begin Off-Air Channels and Video Setup, press the DIRECTV button on your remote
control to go to DIRECTV Central. Select Messages & Setup, then Settings.
Off-Air Channels Settings
If you connected an off-air antenna to your HD DVR, select Channels from the Settings
screen, then select Off-Air Channels to confirm or modify these settings.
• If you selected “Satellite and off-air antenna” as your program source during Guided
Setup, your HD DVR is already set up to receive digital broadcasts from an off-air
antenna. You can use these settings to scan for additional digital off-air channels your
antenna may receive, and specify a secondary network area to gather program
information for digital off-air channels from a nearby city. You can complete these
steps at any time.
• If you selected “Off-Air antenna only” as your program source during Guided Setup,
you must complete these settings to see digital off-air antenna channels in your
channel lists. Keep in mind that if you do not have a satellite dish antenna connected as
well, your HD DVR will not receive any program guide information.
Scan For Off-Air Channels. On the Off-Air Channel Settings screen, highlight Scan For
Off-Air Channels and press SELECT. To proceed with the off-air channel scan, press
THUMBS DOWN three times, then ENTER. The HD DVR begins its scan for digital
channels in your area. This can take several minutes. If additional digital channels are
found, a list is displayed and those channels are added to the Channels You Receive list.
Program information for channels found with this scan may not be available. Additionally,
the HD DVR may detect frequencies for which no channel number information is
available. In this case, the channel will appear in the guide with its frequency number, not
its actual channel number.
If you did not connect an off-air
antenna to your HD DVR, you can
skip “Off-Air Channels Setup” and go to
“Video Setup” on page 29.
An off-air channel’s frequency may
not correspond to its channel
number in the guide. For example, a scan
for off-air channels may detect a signal
on frequency 25, but the corresponding
channel may be 9-1.

epaul
06-02-2006, 05:19 PM
or this?

Setup Local Network Areas. (Only appears if you selected “Satellite and off-air antenna”
as your program source.) Your local network areas are used to acquire program
information for your off-air antenna channels. If you completed Guided Setup, your
primary network area has already been set, based on the ZIP code you entered. Setting the
secondary network area is optional. You should do so if you live very near another major
TV market city which broadcasts off-air channels your antenna can receive.

Proc
06-02-2006, 08:25 PM
http://www.dropshots.com/photos/58225/20060602/190933.jpg
The box it came in-I'm not totally crazy:D

anyway I will try a different/better/bigger antenna, thanks

Anyone know if this is the box the HR10-250 comes in? This couldn't be the new HD DVR (HR20-250) is it??? :confused:

hitdog042
06-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Anyone know if this is the box the HR10-250 comes in? This couldn't be the new HD DVR (HR20-250) is it??? :confused:

This thread... some people need to calm down. This guy asked a fair and square question, and people are attacking his use of verbiage.

It's a Tivo, but it is branded DTV. Give this dude a break.

Even in the DTV box, it's still the Tivo. My replacement unit came in the same box.

To the original poster, let me tell u this without boring u with a 10,000 word response. The DVR weakens the antenna sig, not sure how much, but I lost NBC in Cbus when I got the HD DVR and got it fine off my OTA tuner before.

I got an attic antenna and I'm golden.

batmomm
06-02-2006, 10:01 PM
Anyone know if this is the box the HR10-250 comes in? This couldn't be the new HD DVR (HR20-250) is it??? :confused:
It's not the hr20-250, just the 10

batmomm
06-02-2006, 10:05 PM
And thank you hitdog! I will def upgrade my antenna

Epaul I did try all those things first so now I know I just need to go for the bigger antenna...and who said size doesn't matter, lol

Rick0725
06-03-2006, 04:51 AM
The silver sensor uhf antenna would be a great choice for your digitals. I would return the rca while you have the opportunity.

I have a 14'9" winegard on the roof with an amp and the signal levels on my directv tivo were VERY close between the 2 when I experimented recently. (I use the silver sensor for a decoration now though.)

Do not think you will need an outdoor antenna.

What I would do if you purchase the silver sensor is try a longer coax and experiment in the room for location and best signal. Tweak the antenna while looking at an analog channel, remove the ghosting, peak digital, and you should be fine.

All the towers are on the same hill, but at a close distance as you, you may need you peak the antenna from channel to channel. So experiment with that also to fine the sweet spot.