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Samsung Led Dlp

PINGMAN
05-14-2006, 12:02 PM
I think this may be the one to get no color wheel lasts longer no RE two 1080p capable inputs. I wanted to get the sxrd but i think if you hook up a blu ray it wont look as good as it can get any opinions?

Sport73
05-14-2006, 12:31 PM
Get them to use actual 1080p chips instead of wobulation and I'd agree with you. Wobulation is just like interlacing only faster, but the bottom line is that the entire image is not displayed at the same time.

PINGMAN
05-14-2006, 01:35 PM
what would you buy if you want bluray, ps3 and want it displayed properly?

VonDaurie
05-14-2006, 08:45 PM
I don't think the LED DLP's use Wobulation. Not 100% positive however. :)

daleb
05-15-2006, 07:08 AM
Wait till you can see them side by side.

HiImdrummer03
05-15-2006, 12:42 PM
I don't think the LED DLP's use Wobulation. Not 100% positive however. :)
Yep its still does.Still a one chip DMD.I agree with sport that wobulation is a joke.

HiImdrummer03
05-15-2006, 12:43 PM
Personally i would wait till the new SXRD's come out.If you can hold out a few months your better off.Cause right now things are coming out here in there.When all the brands come out then make your decision.Cause whats not availible today may be the better tv for you.

idge
05-15-2006, 12:44 PM
Which tv is best to watch sport thinking of getting a samsung LE32R74BDX
Is this any good

maicaw
05-15-2006, 12:51 PM
...I agree with sport that wobulation is a joke.It was intended just for watching porno flicks possibly:rolleyes:

enmoco
05-15-2006, 08:34 PM
Get them to use actual 1080p chips instead of wobulation and I'd agree with you.

jaycmartin
05-15-2006, 09:00 PM
Wow,where did you read this?I've seen a lot of posts about wobulated chips,this is one of the more inane.P.S. Its one thing to make an intelligent observation about a particular technology and something entirely
different to make such statements as you have here.


I agree. This forum should not be for folks who just pull shit out of their asses! The new HL-S5679 LED light source dlp has NO WOBULATION and displays it's full 1920 x 1080 in a progressive format with dual 1080p inputs. Do a little research before posting.

Jayc:cool:

HiImdrummer03
05-16-2006, 03:59 PM
I agree. This forum should not be for folks who just pull shit out of their asses! The new HL-S5679 LED light source dlp has NO WOBULATION and displays it's full 1920 x 1080 in a progressive format with dual 1080p inputs. Do a little research before posting.

Jayc:cool:
Link to back up info? Cause im curious how it doesnt if the DMD chip doesnt have any more mirriors.Im not being sarcastic i just wanna know.

rbinck
05-17-2006, 01:22 PM
Get them to use actual 1080p chips instead of wobulation and I'd agree with you. Wobulation is just like interlacing only faster, but the bottom line is that the entire image is not displayed at the same time.

Unless you get a 3 chip projector, the entire image is not shown at the same time on any DLP. The mirrors reposition for each color as the color wheel passes by the light source, a form of wobbulation in itself, so in a way there is no difference between a new light beam for red, green and blue, than the new light beam(s) for adjacent pixels. With the refresh doubled no difference at all other than more light is needed to produce the same brightness picture.

CC TV GUY
05-17-2006, 01:30 PM
I would also like to see the specs that show no wobulated chip in the LED. I just got back from working with some samsung reps on new products and there was nothing in there about a no wobulated chip.

jaycmartin
05-17-2006, 05:10 PM
Link to back up info? Cause im curious how it doesnt if the DMD chip doesnt have any more mirriors.Im not being sarcastic i just wanna know.

Hey drummer just scroll down to Samsung HL-S5679w when you open this link:

http://ces.engadget.com/bloggers/kevin-c-tofel

Jayc:cool:

HiImdrummer03
05-17-2006, 07:17 PM
Well im not even wasting my time reading the link.When ironically the Sears guy and I talk to Samsung reps today...We both heard the same of wobualated DLP's unless there is 3 chips...

jaycmartin
05-17-2006, 08:27 PM
Well im not even wasting my time reading the link.When ironically the Sears guy and I talk to Samsung reps today...We both heard the same of wobualated DLP's unless there is 3 chips...

Why even ask for a link and then say you're not gonna read it. Makes no sense. If there's wobulation and you can see the difference then call Guiness Book of WRs cause you have the best eyesight on the planet!

Jayc:cool:

HiImdrummer03
05-18-2006, 02:09 AM
Why even ask for a link and then say you're not gonna read it. Makes no sense. If there's wobulation and you can see the difference then call Guiness Book of WRs cause you have the best eyesight on the planet!

Jayc:cool:
I didnt say i could see the difference in a 720p and wobulated 1080p both from a DLP,cause they look identical.So where you got that from let me know.

holtzd
05-18-2006, 10:26 AM
Hey drummer just scroll down to Samsung HL-S5679w when you open this link:

http://ces.engadget.com/bloggers/kevin-c-tofel

Jayc:cool:

I read the link and just because it is written on engadgetís web site doesnít mean itís true. The only way I would believe it is if it was on Samsungís or Texas Instrumentís Web site. If Texas Instruments did make a new 1080p chip that didnít use Wobulation we would have heard and read about it all over the place.

CC TV GUY
05-18-2006, 12:39 PM
I read the link and just because it is written on engadgetís web site doesnít mean itís true. The only way I would believe it is if it was on Samsungís or Texas Instrumentís Web site. If Texas Instruments did make a new 1080p chip that didnít use Wobulation we would have heard and read about it all over the place.
I read the link as well but just because its there doesn't mean its true. I also talked to a TI rep the other day as well and she said she didn't know of any consumer models with a non wobulated chip this year either.

enmoco
05-18-2006, 04:26 PM
I read the link and just because it is written on engadgetís web site doesnít mean itís true. The only way I would believe it is if it was on Samsungís or Texas Instrumentís Web site. If Texas Instruments did make a new 1080p chip that didnít use Wobulation we would have heard and read about it all over the place.http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/190529.html

enmoco
05-18-2006, 04:33 PM
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/reviews/20050510/he2005_show_report.html?page=2

enmoco
05-18-2006, 04:34 PM
http://www.dlp.com/about_dlp/about_dlp_press_release.asp?id=1281

enmoco
05-18-2006, 04:40 PM
:) :) :).....http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls5679.pdf

holtzd
05-18-2006, 08:13 PM
I don't see anywhere in the links you provide that states that Wobulation isn't used. In fact the Crutchfield link had this statement. "One of TI's main goals in setting up this comparison was to demonstrate that the "pixel-shifting" SmoothPictureô DLP technology (which is actually licensed from Hewlett-Packard) is an effective way to achieve true 1920 x 1080 resolution in rear-projection TVs. " The way I undestand it "pixel-shifting" is wobulation.

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2005/05wobulation.html

Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of DLP and look forward to the new Samsung with the LED light source and I hope you are right. I would just feel better if Samsung or TI would add a statement like 'Wobulation is not used in this new chip'.

enmoco
05-19-2006, 12:09 AM
I don't see anywhere in the links you provide that states that Wobulation isn't used. In fact the Crutchfield link had this statement. "One of TI's main goals in setting up this comparison was to demonstrate that the "pixel-shifting" SmoothPictureô DLP technology (which is actually licensed from Hewlett-Packard) is an effective way to achieve true 1920 x 1080 resolution in rear-projection TVs. " The way I undestand it "pixel-shifting" is wobulation.

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/2005/05wobulation.html

Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of DLP and look forward to the new Samsung with the LED light source and I hope you are right. I would just feel better if Samsung or TI would add a statement like 'Wobulation is not used in this new chip'.I don't say one way or the other,just posting links.My contention has always been that wobulation is Good.People complaining don't know how good it looks on a large sized display.All those sites say it's a "new", "full" 1080p,chip. Take it for what it's worth.No mfg. is going to announce "it's not wobulated",forget that.When something comes along beneficially better,not on paper,but visually,I will buy it.Whatever it "does".:)

PFC5
05-19-2006, 01:33 AM
I am curious what the LED array costs, and if it is a user level replacement like the lamps. The LED array is only rated for 20,000 hours which only about 3-4 years in my house, so I would want to know this cost info.

Anyone know?

tuccillo
05-19-2006, 06:20 AM
It doesnt make any difference, you cant tell.


Get them to use actual 1080p chips instead of wobulation and I'd agree with you. Wobulation is just like interlacing only faster, but the bottom line is that the entire image is not displayed at the same time.

HiImdrummer03
05-19-2006, 06:15 PM
I am curious what the LED array costs, and if it is a user level replacement like the lamps. The LED array is only rated for 20,000 hours which only about 3-4 years in my house, so I would want to know this cost info.

Anyone know?
Dang.. How much TV do you watch a day?

holtzd
05-20-2006, 09:13 AM
A little calculating here and 20,000 hours in 4 years is about 13.6 hours per day. I figured that the very most the TV would be on in my house is an average of 5 hours a day. So the LEDís would last 4000 days. That is just under 11 years. The TV will be obsolete in 5 so for me the LEDís would last the life of the TV. Even at 7 hours a day it would last 7.8 years. Iíve read that the 20,000 hour life is a conservative estimate.

HiImdrummer03
05-20-2006, 10:17 PM
A little calculating here and 20,000 hours in 4 years is about 13.6 hours per day. I figured that the very most the TV would be on in my house is an average of 5 hours a day. So the LEDís would last 4000 days. That is just under 11 years. The TV will be obsolete in 5 so for me the LEDís would last the life of the TV. Even at 7 hours a day it would last 7.8 years. Iíve read that the 20,000 hour life is a conservative estimate.Assuming that everything goes well as you cant fully count on ratings.Take a tire for example.May lost way short or long of rating,may be close,or you could have something go out(ie a flat tire)same thing with parts in tv's so you cant just assume you going to get a exactly that many hours.

WonderDude
05-22-2006, 02:00 PM
WOBULATION ROCKS!!! :bowdown:

:D :D :D