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need a little input for a gift

Reefit
05-02-2006, 02:13 PM
Quick question:

Im currently buying my first hdtv and its not even for myself. Im buyin my parents a hdtv for their 48th wedding anniversary. they are both up there in years so this "new technology isnt necessary" (as they say). Once i started gettin into this i started getting in that shop for myself mode and i think ive takin it way to far lol. Anyhow i was lookin at hdtv lcd flat-panels at the start then i graduated to dlp. I dont want anythin to fancy. they dont use indemand or payperview. my father would love to stop feeding the company a few more bucks for a stb so i was looking at somethin with cable cards. also the built in hdtv tuner.. so i looked at the toshiba cinema 52mx95. which is 720p then i started wondering if going to any 1080p would b better. (once again i got into the shop for myself mode). I guess what im tryin to find out is anyone got a good idea of a tv over 42" they can enjoy their football season in HD without buyin somethin they wont use 50% of the features or or somethin i wont hear the picture isnt worth what i spent meanin they see fuzz or wierd edges etc. We all know how the older generation can get with these things. (no offense to anyone in that generation that may b more up with the times than they r) ;) thanks for the help and more than that thanks for saving me from smackin my head into the desk one more time. I know it will b easier when i do this for myself. thanks again.

borromini
05-02-2006, 03:12 PM
This could be a risky gift idea if you're not sure they would appreciate what HDTVs offer. Not the ideal purchasing criteria. Good luck.

Reefit
05-02-2006, 03:22 PM
i guess i forgot to add they are getting ready to have to buy a new tv anyhow after tryin to fix their old one twice. as for them not likin it i know they will like it.. its just i know i will hear "u shouldnt have" "its too much" etc etc....... parents

clearday
05-02-2006, 05:09 PM
I think you have to consider that sd stations do not look as good as they do on analog tv's and that there are still very few HD stations and if your parents don't want cable, they will have no HBO or Starz for extra viewing. So, you will be buying them a TV which is more complicated to set up and use and then they will probably be annoyed at the SD reception all day. I'm older tho not dead yet and I really wanted my Sammy 56" DLP, but still use analog a great deal and would not want to watch my "dessert TV" all day. Just some thoughts to consider. Maybe you should take them to the store and let them choose and see what they like. Good luck!

Reefit
05-02-2006, 05:30 PM
thanks for the reply. doesnt getting a tv with upconvertion on it help this issue.. also isnt this year the year they are requiring the stations to upgrade? i cant remember the stations but im sure i was told somewhere that a few stations will be makin the change. and my folks do have cable .. they just dont like payin the stb fees. thats the only reason i mentioned it.. they are also considering going to the dish but then they have to go dsl and leave cable broadband.... once again i thank ya for the info.

rbinck
05-02-2006, 05:38 PM
clearday has some very good thoughts on this issue. The problem is most stores will only show you DVD or HDTV material on the HDTVs inj the stores, so you will not really know how pathetic the cable or satellite SD will be. Don't be fooled by a slick talking salesman about how digital cable will look good either, because digital cable often looks worse on a HDTV than analog cable. If they can't show you cable or satellite, then be prepaired for disappointment when you get the set home. The larger the screen size the worse it will be.

Also you should be aware that DLPs are rear projection TVs and therefore will have limited viewing angles. Be sure that is going ok with their seating situation. Try to match the angles they will use at home in the store.

Most people in your parents situation will prefer a direct view CRT based HDTV. The picture will have simular contrast and brightness, there will be no rainbows and with a maximum of a 34" screen, the artifacts of going to a HDTV will be minimized.

For more detail on this subject see:
HDTV Pictures (http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=92)
HDTV Artifacts (http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=101)
Poor SD On HDTVs (http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=5)

Then there is the matter of bars which bothers some people. Having to stretch the picture to get rid of the pillarboxes will also annoy some people.

Be sure to cover your bases and get them involved.

rbinck
05-02-2006, 05:50 PM
thanks for the reply. doesnt getting a tv with upconvertion on it help this issue.. also isnt this year the year they are requiring the stations to upgrade? i cant remember the stations but im sure i was told somewhere that a few stations will be makin the change. and my folks do have cable .. they just dont like payin the stb fees. thats the only reason i mentioned it.. they are also considering going to the dish but then they have to go dsl and leave cable broadband.... once again i thank ya for the info.The current timing is some where in 2009 for the analog cut off, assuming the current proposal gets through congress and the pres signs it.

A HDTV with a QAM tuner will get your basic cable channels without a cable card. If you need preimum channels or any that are scrambled, then you will need the cable card. Most cable companies will rent a cable card at the same rate as the STB, so if it is the $ they object to, the cable card may not help. Best to check with your cable company. Here in Houston TWC will rent a DVR for the same $ as a cable card or STB.

Reefit
05-02-2006, 05:53 PM
awesome thanks for the input.. this is what i was tryin to get... i live here next to the crutchfield HQ and i went in there to look at the live pictures ... and they had all the tvs runnin on a reg non hd baseballl game yesterday so i got to see a few issues on all of them. my local cable co has CC for 1.50 a month as the hd stb is 13. is there any dif in the pic of a hd stb and a cc i know about the on demand ..guide and ppv.

rbinck
05-02-2006, 05:57 PM
Wow! That's quite a difference. No difference in PQ to speak of. Theoretically the cable card could be better because it is internal to the TV.

Reefit
05-02-2006, 06:19 PM
cool .... thats what i was thinkin about the price dif. i also noticed that the new pans (flat-panels)out on the market dont offer the CC and some of the new samsungs comin out in a month or so also ditched the CC option. i was concerned there was somethin i wasnt hearin besides the few issues with providers and system compatability. I had it narrowed down to the toshiba cin 52hmx95 (720p) and the samsung hl-r5078w (1080p). then i was told the samsung was discontinued and the one replacing it the 5087 doesnt offer the cc. they both are around $2800. so i guess im tryin to decide between the 2. 1080p and 720p and the two brands. thanks for the info so far.. this is helpin tons.

rbinck
05-02-2006, 06:24 PM
I think the CC are slowing down because of DVRs.

Reefit
05-02-2006, 07:08 PM
i just seen the first samsung hls5087w in a store and it actually did have the CC slot on it. so i think this may be the route i take. i thank ya all for the help and input.. ill be sure to pass this on to anyone i know thinkin about makin the plunge. Ill just have to make sure i do some house sitting for the folks and take my xbox 360 over .. im sure i wont b far behind purchasing mine.

BrianO
05-02-2006, 10:01 PM
The current timing is some where in 2009 for the analog cut off, assuming the current proposal gets through congress and the pres signs it.



It was signed into law by Dubya in early February. The analogue cutoff date is Feb 17, 2009. However, there was nothing in the bill to change the digital transmission deadline which remains "on or before Dec 31, 2006".