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1080p Tube TV's

kfederig
04-03-2006, 02:53 AM
Does anyone know if they will be coming out with 1080p Tube TV's in the near future? Thanks Kevin

waltchan
04-03-2006, 10:00 AM
Does anyone know if they will be coming out with 1080p Tube TV's in the near future? Thanks Kevin
There won't be one.

Ratman
04-03-2006, 10:28 AM
No one can say for sure that "there won't be one". Although, it is unlikely that a manufacturer would go to the trouble/expense to manufacture one.

rbinck
04-03-2006, 10:57 AM
Many CRT computer monitors will do 1080p/60, but they are very expensive for big ones. Big being a 19" or so.

bboncorr
04-03-2006, 11:26 AM
i doubt there will be a 1080p tube. for the p.c. yes but not a 34 inch mass produced crt.

rbinck
04-03-2006, 11:45 AM
i doubt there will be a 1080p tube. for the p.c. yes but not a 34 inch mass produced crt.
I agree because there will not be a market for it. Heck in the USA even the 30"-34" CRT market is shrinking each year. Although the CRT as a product will be with us fwell into the 20s, not many for HDTV use here in the USA into the the teens.

ardvark
04-05-2006, 08:34 PM
I say not a chance in Haiti. The models this year in just a crt with HD are limited. Companies are getting away from the CRT market because they are so expensive to produce, size, weight blah blah. To make a 1080p version, a company would have to reinvest in their crt division to mass produce a new tube for the 1080p model. I can say that most brands wont for sure. The only company that would possibly do it. And I say there is a better chance at winning the Powerball, but if a company did make one it would be Sony. But they have limited their crt hd's to 2 this year.

BobY
04-05-2006, 09:05 PM
I think it's possible some of the Chinese manufacturers that are making CRT's now might do one in the future. The Chinese will probably end up being the only people making CRT's and, while it certainly isn't worth the investment and development effort for the companies that want to get out of CRT's, it may be worth it to the Chinese to keep their production going.

maicaw
04-05-2006, 11:02 PM
To make a 1080p version, a company would have to reinvest in their crt division to mass produce a new tube for the 1080p model. ... The only company that would possibly do it. .Present day HDTV CRT tubes can display 1080p signals if the deflection yoke was able to handle the higher horizontal sweep frequencies - It's not the CRT - it's the external deflection circuitry and components that are so tempermental and expensive for a large CRT at those frequencies that it prohibits direct view HDTV 1080p CRT displays - not the tube itself- Since it is easy to do that with CRT computer monitors -under 20" -(and related components)- I see no reason why a 9" gun RP-CRT with 1080p native resolution couldn't be built with regular computer monitor deflection parts - ( and the normal 9" CRT guns) - but how many people would buy one of those monsters now?- and for way more than the price of a comparable sized plasma!

borromini
04-06-2006, 12:35 AM
...but how many people would buy one of those monsters now?[/U]- and for way more than the price of a comparable sized plasma! Zero.

ardvark
04-06-2006, 08:38 PM
Yeah I agree but the current crt's cant handle the heat right now. My point was not so much that the crt would need to be redesigned. I have an arcade machine with a monitor that technically could handle a 1080p res. What I should have said was that heat has been a big issue for years with the citcuitboards in the bigger tv's. Past the point of manufacture, reliability would be a major issue.

UncleJemima
06-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Am I wrong or is CRT still the best all-around display, besides a three-chip DLP, which is ridiculously expensive?

I don't understand why there wouldn't be a market for CRT if it's still the best display. Is everyone just fascinated with the flat panel displays like someone is dangeling a shiny set of keys in front of their faces?

rbinck
06-24-2006, 09:00 AM
CRT guns is a different technology than direct view CRTs and I think there are 1080p projectors available now.

Direct view CRTs pose more than just the sweep limitations as there is the issue of the shadow masks and phosphor spacings to deal with. There is not even any direct view HDTVs that will produce a true 1920x1080 picture, even interlaced.

CatManDoo
06-24-2006, 09:06 AM
Am I wrong or is CRT still the best all-around display, besides a three-chip DLP, which is ridiculously expensive?

I don't understand why there wouldn't be a market for CRT if it's still the best display. Is everyone just fascinated with the flat panel displays like someone is dangeling a shiny set of keys in front of their faces?
I wouldn't say you're wrong, but I'd be careful about using the word "best" to describe CRT's. It might be safer to refer to them as the benchmark for PQ.

My 34" DV CRT has an excellent picture, and it's only a Zenith. The Sony 960-XBR (soon to be extinct???) is much better than mine and widely accepted as "the best". They are also, unfortunately, about 2 feet deep and 180+ pounds. And for all that size and weight, they're still only 34" diagonal (the largest available inW/S DV CRT).

It's not the shiny set of keys that will get me to dump my current set; it's the size and weight features that will next year relegate it to back room status or make it a tax deductible donation to a 501(c) charitable organization.

petermwilson
07-03-2006, 10:36 AM
Hi,

Prior to LCOS/D-ILA displays being introduced the president of Sony, (when asked about the future of CRT products) said.
Until tecknologies that produce a higher overall PQ than CRT beome availible, we will continue to make them.

As an early adopter I have a Tosh 65H80 (2001) which is in a dedicated room. A few months ago I purchased a CRT 30" Panny with HDMI for the living room.

CRT based displays generaly have a very low WAF,(wife acceptance factor) ecause the larger ones dominate any room they are in and even the Pioneer Black Laquer finish wasn't enough to impress the ladies.

Anyone who knows anytrhing about this technology realizes that comparing the PQ of all technologies by walking down a display row a Bbuy or any other big box store the CRT will look terrible compared to others.

These units need a proper ISF calibration after the 100hr brakin period and tuneups every few years to keep the convergence from wandering.

My 65"r is on 8-10hrs a day and is also used as a pc desktop. Last summer I noticed some raster ringing (reverse C in fleshtones and beige type items) and thought that i needed a major repair and called Toshiba to make a service call. I explained the problem and suggested they bring whatever parts were needed.

Tech at Tosh said nothing is burned out the set is just out of convergence. I cancelled the call and waited for my ISF tech to come to town. In 15 minutes, the set looked better than ever.

I presently have about 14,000hrs on these guns and am hoping that when they do go it can be retrofitted with 9" guns capable of accepting a 1080p scale. If not I will switch to front projection with the hope that $1000 lamps that burnout every 1500hrs will have dropped in price.

My bother just bought the new Sony Ruby for about $10,000 and I often buy his Home electronics as he is a constant upgrader. If the lamps on the Sony are still expensive I'll look for another solution. I also have to consider the cost of a good screen. Budjeting for the overall project is very important.
Many people I know blew the bundle on a display back in 2000/2001 (when 65" displays were $7000) and had to settle for a HTIB sound system which didn't do justice to the image of the display.

Maybe the new Lazervision products coming out next year.

Peter m.

borromini
07-03-2006, 11:15 AM
...Prior to LCOS/D-ILA displays being introduced the president of Sony, (when asked about the future of CRT products) said.
Until tecknologies that produce a higher overall PQ than CRT beome availible, we will continue to make them... Well I guess it's come to pass since as far as direct-view CRT HDTVs are concerned, Sony has replaced four 34" models ranging in quality of picture tube and other features with one single model (970), which doesn't even have the super-fine picture tube. To Sony, their LCD flat panels and SXRD/LCD RP line of displays is their future.

...If not I will switch to front projection with the hope that $1000 lamps that burnout every 1500hrs will have dropped in price.

My bother just bought the new Sony Ruby for about $10,000 and I often buy his Home electronics as he is a constant upgrader. If the lamps on the Sony are still expensive I'll look for another solution. I also have to consider the cost of a good screen... I guess you're only interested in 1080p front projectors because most 720p front projectors have lamps that now last 3k to 4k hours and cost no more than $250. The xenon lamp used in the Ruby will likely remain expensive for quite some time. It's just not the type of lamp that's in wide-spread use. While that lamp helps the SXRD panels produce a phenomenal image, its life-span suggests that it's really not for every-day TV use but rather as a true home theater display for those special movie nights.

By the way, someone on this forum had provided a link to an advertisement for the Ruby at $5k!

CatManDoo
07-04-2006, 03:29 AM
edited ...
By the way, someone on this forum had provided a link to an advertisement for the Ruby at $5k!
Was this it? -----> Ruby on Sale, was $8k; now ... (http://tapeworkstexas.com/sony_vplvw100_sxrd_digital_projector.html)

borromini
07-04-2006, 09:02 AM
This was it: http://www.sell.com/229VXQ

I'd be jumping on it if it weren't for the Xenon lamp's horrendous life and cost cycle.