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Own or Lease decision

jcmo34
04-01-2006, 09:34 AM
Purchased the r15 & H20 on 2/28 in order to qualify for the rebates and also since it was the last day to "own" them outright. They were activated on 3/14, since that was when my new dish was installed. Yesterday when I got the bill, it had me as leasing both of them. I called D* and spoke to someone who made it sound like it was up to me, that I could have them change it to own, or can keep it as leased(he did say I would get the $100 & $200 rebates regardless since they were purchased by 2/28).
I almost think leasing is the better way to go, since the rep told me that if I have a problem w/ either one or there are upgrades, I'd be entitled to a new one. The only downside for not owning would be that I couldn't resell them if I wanted, but to be honest, I don't know that they'd be worth much at that point, since the r15 especially doesn't seem as good as older TiVo models.
My question is, and I know it is really up to me, but what is the advantages and disadvantages to leasing?

steve51wv
04-01-2006, 12:44 PM
At this point in time, it really doesn't matter. D* is strictly under the lease program. HOWEVER....and I've posted on this subject before, when you lease something, you DO NOT pay any up front costs. You simply pay a monthly leasing charge. It appears to me that now, D* says you will purchase the equipment and STILL pay a monthly leasing fee. The new leasing fee is simply what used to be known as their "mirroring fee" which is about 5 bucks a month. So you can say what you want but you will still continue to buy the equipment, but in reality, D* will still own it. I would dump D* in a heartbeat but with heavy investments in their HD Tivo and 2 HD receivers, it's not logical at this point in time. When the time comes when D* starts broadcasting sports channels and the "National" HD channels in MPEG4, I guess I will have to decide what to do. Right now, I get the New York feeds of NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX in HD, so I'm in no hurry to do anything. I just sit back and see what they do next.

jcmo34
04-01-2006, 03:03 PM
Steve,
I did buy mine before 3/1, so I can have them change it to buy if I want to. I am just wondering if keeping it as a lease(even though I bought it) is better because I am then protected if there is a problem w/ the equipment, whereas if I owned it, I'd have to pay to lease a new one I think.

hitdog042
04-01-2006, 03:59 PM
At this point in time, it really doesn't matter. D* is strictly under the lease program. HOWEVER....and I've posted on this subject before, when you lease something, you DO NOT pay any up front costs. You simply pay a monthly leasing charge. It appears to me that now, D* says you will purchase the equipment and STILL pay a monthly leasing fee. The new leasing fee is simply what used to be known as their "mirroring fee" which is about 5 bucks a month. So you can say what you want but you will still continue to buy the equipment, but in reality, D* will still own it. I would dump D* in a heartbeat but with heavy investments in their HD Tivo and 2 HD receivers, it's not logical at this point in time. When the time comes when D* starts broadcasting sports channels and the "National" HD channels in MPEG4, I guess I will have to decide what to do. Right now, I get the New York feeds of NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX in HD, so I'm in no hurry to do anything. I just sit back and see what they do next.


DTV is not strictly lease. Only if u buy it from them.

You can buy new equipment from a store or on ebay, and as long as ur not a new customer, you can tell the rep u bought it outright.

I've done it two times already, on an H20 and an R15 DVR. I got them both from a sat store right here in columbus.

Even if u are a new customer, lie and say u got it as a gift 5 months ago and just now got around to putting ur dish up. Just don't buy it from DTV and ur good to go.

sy2
04-05-2006, 10:02 PM
I changed mine to lease when they gave me the option because Newegg didn't post anything about the lease program. It's covered as long as I'm a subscriber and I get to upgrade to the newest satellite for free. I'm happy with it.

hoorta
04-06-2006, 01:19 AM
At this point in time, it really doesn't matter. D* is strictly under the lease program. HOWEVER....and I've posted on this subject before, when you lease something, you DO NOT pay any up front costs. You simply pay a monthly leasing charge. It appears to me that now, D* says you will purchase the equipment and STILL pay a monthly leasing fee. The new leasing fee is simply what used to be known as their "mirroring fee" which is about 5 bucks a month. So you can say what you want but you will still continue to buy the equipment, but in reality, D* will still own it. I would dump D* in a heartbeat but with heavy investments in their HD Tivo and 2 HD receivers, it's not logical at this point in time. When the time comes when D* starts broadcasting sports channels and the "National" HD channels in MPEG4, I guess I will have to decide what to do. Right now, I get the New York feeds of NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX in HD, so I'm in no hurry to do anything. I just sit back and see what they do next.

Yeah, it sounds like when is a lease not a lease? I'll be damned if I going to Buy a receiver (or a 5LNB dish) and then have D* tell me, oh BTW, we own the stuff you just bought, thanks. I truly hate the thought of going back to Time Warner, but if it wasn't for NFL Sunday ticket I'd seriously consider dumping D*.

sy2
04-06-2006, 07:30 AM
I don't see what the big deal is? Is there a huge market for previously owned receivers and dishes or somethin that really make people want to "own" these boxes?

bill94
04-06-2006, 12:10 PM
I don't see what the big deal is?

The big deal is paying $500 to lease something that you have to give back.

KnickFanatic
04-06-2006, 12:59 PM
The big deal is paying $500 to lease something that you have to give back.

True that!!!

Besides, since I own mine I can do whatever I want to it....like add a new 300gig hard drive into it and double my HD recording space. With a lease I can't do that cause it aint mine!

sy2
04-06-2006, 01:50 PM
Maybe with DVR's that's a good point, but for me it's $90 for an H20, warranty as long as I'm a customer, free upgrades as they come out, plus a free upgrade to the newest satellite. All that and no change in the bottom line of my monthly bill.

I guess if you're really into taking your hardware apart and tinkering with it I could see how you'd want to own it, but for 99% of the users out there like me who want to plug the stuff in and have it work, the lease is a great deal.

hoorta
04-07-2006, 02:44 AM
Maybe with DVR's that's a good point, but for me it's $90 for an H20, warranty as long as I'm a customer, free upgrades as they come out, plus a free upgrade to the newest satellite. All that and no change in the bottom line of my monthly bill.

I guess if you're really into taking your hardware apart and tinkering with it I could see how you'd want to own it, but for 99% of the users out there like me who want to plug the stuff in and have it work, the lease is a great deal.

That is the point. Ask D* if they'll give you a free upgrade to a HD DVR. Cable companies lease you the equipment, and don't charge you $90 or $300+ upfront in the case of a HD DVR for the privilege of leasing it.

bill94
04-07-2006, 05:01 AM
but for 99% of the users out there like me who want to plug the stuff in and have it work, the lease is a great deal.

99%!!, I dont think so. God I hope not!! There can't be that many dumb pepole out there!! Just kidding. :D

sy2
04-07-2006, 07:45 AM
99%!!, I dont think so. God I hope not!! There can't be that many dumb pepole out there!! Just kidding. :D


LOL, we're not dumb, just not HD tech-heads :p

I think it's safe to say that a vast majority of HD users go for the plug-n-play, but you won't find your average users on a forum like this - people who come online to forums before purchasing or to compare are usually pretty technically savvy in the first place, which means it's much more likely they'll tinker with their equipment and want to get every last drop out of the thing.

On the other hand there's people like my brother and I. He's had HD for a while now but has no idea what HDMI is (like I didn't before I came here), what kind of satellite we have, and what is really available out there. He gets his HD channels so he's happy.

bill94
04-07-2006, 11:41 AM
LOL, we're not dumb, just not HD tech-heads :p

I think it's safe to say that a vast majority of HD users go for the plug-n-play, but you won't find your average users on a forum like this - people who come online to forums before purchasing or to compare are usually pretty technically savvy in the first place, which means it's much more likely they'll tinker with their equipment and want to get every last drop out of the thing.

On the other hand there's people like my brother and I. He's had HD for a while now but has no idea what HDMI is (like I didn't before I came here), what kind of satellite we have, and what is really available out there. He gets his HD channels so he's happy.

I agree with that 100%!!