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Found the Insignia Service Menu but...

godson
03-27-2006, 01:38 AM
I dont know what these settings mean.I wrote down the defaults and played with them abit but dont seem to be doing much. Anyone know what these settings relate to
IC Name
Register No
Page
Data
Write enable
Write to EEP
Init EEP !!
They all have a numeric value beside them except for the first one which by default says EEPROM which can be switched to ST9116
Thanks for any info.

godson
03-27-2006, 01:47 AM
Ok my apolagies,this is called the "Design Menu".Dont kow what the hell that means but these settings are unlike any service menu I have seen before so what gives?Are these things picture related or some other crazy stuff?

BobY
03-27-2006, 11:05 AM
EEP is "Electrically Erasable Programmable" memory, a form of non-volatile memory (data is retained even when power is off).

This looks like a user interface for indirectly changing values in parameter memory by specifying what component you want to program, what address to change and what data to write, then initiating the write operation. Unless you know what addresses control what functions and what effect different data patterns might produce, I wouldn't fool with these.

Unless you use the proper sequence to enable and initiate a write operation, nothing will change. "Init EEP" might restore factory defaults, or it may just erase the memory, which would be real bad. Most likely you would also need to execute the proper sequence to read the memory as well, so it would be difficult for you to copy down the factory settings without knowing in advance how many locations are used.

You could do a lot of harm that couldn't be corrected by anyone other than a service technician, or maybe even a return to a service center, as the field techs might not have the equipment to download new programs the EEPROM. Doing it by hand would be very tedious depending on how many locations are used.

(I suppose it's possible that by the word "design", they could be refering to a graphic "Logo" screen which could be programmed with different graphics depending on what company was "branding" the set. If that were the case, this would be a menu for altering the graphic image. But I wouldn't count on it!)

godson
03-27-2006, 01:01 PM
Thanks bro,yea you seem to be right....when i change the settings nothing happens but maybe you would have to change the values and then press the last one.Perhaps thats why the !!! next to it.Thanks you,definitely not gonna mess with this.

Porcupine
03-27-2006, 03:07 PM
If you were able to find out how to activate the designer menu, wouldn't you have been able to also find out how to activate the service menu? Just curious.

waltchan
03-27-2006, 04:23 PM
If you were able to find out how to activate the designer menu, wouldn't you have been able to also find out how to activate the service menu? Just curious.
His Insignia 30" TV is a 2005 model, made by Xiamen Overseas Chinese Electronic Co., maker of Advent and Prima brands. Different TV here.

godson
03-27-2006, 05:05 PM
I wish I could find the service menu.I found this menu by splitting the remote.At the bottom of the remote where,if the cover was on,it would say Insignia.There are about 9 buttons that have pads but since when its whole you cannot access them.I pressed all of them but only one does anything,and that brings up the designer menu.Maybe a combo of some of them....dont know.I called Insignia and the CSR and the "tech" claimed to know nothing of this menu or these "secret" buttons.I'm stumped.

godson
03-27-2006, 05:16 PM
ok I was going on the info from above that its made by the makers of Advent.I remembered hearing before that Advents service menu code is Sleep,Menu,AV,Mute or some combo of those buttons. I was playing with them on my set and an Insignia menu came up but right before I looked at it I must have hit another button and POOF it was gone.Now I cant get it back.Any info on the sequence of these buttons or should I be holding them or what?

Porcupine
03-27-2006, 05:26 PM
Secret hidden buttons INSIDE of an Insignia remote? Wow, that's COOL!!! I wonder if there is anything like that on the new 2006 Insignias...

godson
03-28-2006, 12:41 AM
Yea man,at the bottom of the remote its ab area a couple inches in a square and it says Insignia,directly below that when you pry the remote apart is the #pad sitting on the board.Where the logo on the remote is there are 9 thin rectangular buttons. I've pushed them all and only one does anything....that odd designer menu.

godson
04-01-2006, 12:49 AM
Ok I HAVE actually found the service menu for this set.It does involve splitting the remote except I had to reposition the # pad a little bit.The boards labeled with numbers that correspond to the would be pads but like I said before,these pads are covered by the Insignia logo on the remote. You want to look for one labeled "57"This gives me the service. Now perhaps a little insight as to the best way to try tweaking the settings.Due to the sheer amount of settings it would be tough to list them but could someone maybe refer me to a link that could explain what these setting will change. Theres only a few that make me nervous and I probably wont mess with but others like min.sharpness/max sharpness....min/max contrast...I would think is in my realm of tweaking,but would rather be more positve before moving along.....thank you guys for any help.

Porcupine
04-01-2006, 04:31 PM
Hey, that's pretty cool.

Maybe if you found out what company (according to waltchan, Advent in China or something?) makes the tube for your 2005 Insignia CRT you could look for info on their Service Menus, it's probably similar to yours.

Otherwise, you are probably a pioneer in investigating the Service Menu of this set, which involved splitting your remote. :) Feel free to post any or all of the text descriptions of the various Service Menu parameters and maybe we can help guess at what they will do. I've toyed with just about every parameter on my Toshiba, but the Service Menus on the Toshibas only have about 60 parameters or so...not as comprehensive as those from other companies.

godson
04-02-2006, 01:23 AM
Cool,I have only tweaked a few. 2moro some time I'll post them here but about 75% are pretty obvious once you change them but some I"m stumped on.I also noticed that even I could totally disable the SVM from here,actually took it off the user menu options.The geometry area is where I'm not to keen on. I would love to get rid of the slight "bell curve" that is visable when sidebars a re present cause I would imagine they are always there just less visable when the screen is filled.In the max/min settings I turned down the max contrast some and actually like the PQ much better now.Also I have always felt the set has to much red,like a very warm coloring and no preset warm,cool or anything and the user menu offers VERY little in PQ adjustment,but I tweaked the R,G, and B drive using an AVIA disc and ended up with a MUCH cooler picture.Was watching the Flyers game today and the ice actually had a bluer color than before it always had a reddish/yellow tint.Oh yea the remote,that's weird huh?Before I was getting that design menu and none of the other "hidden" buttions did anything but I was looking and there were more "pads" on the board than secret buttons so I adjusted the buttons over these previously unnoticed pads and BINGO there it was...who the hell came up with this idea?Makes me wonder about other sets,what the heck lies beneath?Well like I said 2moro I will post the ones I'm especially confused about and maybe someone will know them....thanks

Porcupine
04-02-2006, 01:12 PM
Max contrast and Min contrast are some of the useful settings I adjusted on all my Toshibas as well.

Regarding geometry, most Service Menus give lots of geometry parameters but they are usually unable to fix about 2/3rds of the geometry issues you see. Usually you can only tweak some things to make them look slightly better, other geometry issues you can't affect in the slightest. Generally speaking you can't do anything about crooked horizontal lines, but you can often fix some of the vertical crooked lines somewhat. Fixing the sidebars is a technique I use too, either that or I put up a crosshatch grid with my Revenge of the Sith THX optimizer option (I don't own any calibration discs, nor do I plan to).

Usually the most useful geometry options are the overscan and screen centering options; those are always nice to have.

I've got about half the other geometry settings tweaked slightly on my current Toshiba, but the improvement afterwards was minimal. Most of the geometry issues in CRTs are inherent in the tube itself, either because of the design or poor quality control during manufacturing. I hear some of these problems can be corrected by magnets though, but I dunno if all of them can.

godson
04-02-2006, 01:26 PM
Yea thats what I'm starting to realize.I have been able to reduce the bell curving on the sidebars slightly but like you said,I'm sure this is more inherent to the shotty tube design or even perhaps power supply.I'm currently trying to put together a list of some of the parameters that I'm unfamiliar with and perhaps since you seem pretty familiar with CRT parameters maybe you can help me out.This is really my 1st time getting too crazy with service settings as my other sets are a bit more costly and fear of messing them up is great,whereas this set was a bit less,although I must say I absolutely love this set,probably the BEST 500 bucks I ever spent.Now if only there was a service menu setting that could make it NOT weigh 200lbs...lol :rolleyes:

godson
04-02-2006, 03:24 PM
hey porcupine...what do ya think about this thing?http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profis_view.jsp?id=581....................my thought is that I could use it on all my sets so the 99 dollar price tag wouldnt be too bad if it does what I think it does and I can actually figure out how to work rhis thing

Porcupine
04-03-2006, 03:19 PM
I learned about power supply problems from user "D6500K" here, so thanks go out to him from me. :)

I think power supply problems causing the 4:3 sidebars to bulge out (it could be at various spots) can be identified from tube geometry bulging problems by the fact that if it is the power supply, then the amount of bulging will vary depending on what kind of image content is showing in the center (whether black screen, blue screen, ESPN, etc). So test that first, to try to identify in your mind how much of the bulge is from the power supply and how much is from the tube geometry.

My current 30HF85 has a bad power supply problem too that caused a huge bulge (more than my previous units) at the top of the screen. I guess the bad thing is that a power supply problem can't ever really be corrected (at least, that's what I imagine, short of getting a new power supply). I was able to find a Service Menu parameter that moved the location of the power supply bulge though, it was called V. SYMM on the Toshiba, so I moved it to the center...I figured it's better there than the top at least it looks more symmetrical. Then I hid it a little bit with the other Service Menu parameters, but not totally, since the amount of power supply bulging varies with what screen image is showing.

I think most of the time though the 4:3 sidebars are not straight because of tube geometry, not power supply.

I couldn't view that link you posted properly (error messages), this computer is lame it probably doesn't have the right programs installed into this Firefox, ohwell.

godson
04-03-2006, 05:20 PM
Well its some "calibrater".It hangs off the front of the tv and or can be mounted on a tripod and it supposedly scans and runs color test,thru your pc or laptop and helps calibrate colo,greyscale, contrast etc... for 99 bucks I was thinking it might be good,an AVIA disc is like 40 bucks new so for another 50 this could be cool.I think its called SpyderCalibrater or something like that. The link is now crazy for me too so thats not a good sign of confidence for me.I will look for the VSYMM setting on my set but dont remember one but maybe something like it,plus my problem is already in the middle so like you said,better to be symmetrical.

Porcupine
04-04-2006, 06:04 PM
Gah. Today I tried to play around with my geometry some more, and I realized that V. SYMM doesn't do what I thought after all. It has nothing to do with the power supply bulge, really. It might still push it around a tiny tiny bit as a side-effect, but it's not really what it affects.

I noticed it was affecting something else (also very subtle) regarding screen geometry. I ended up resetting V. SYMM to the default, as it seemed best for that other effect.

I wish my current set had better geometry, oh well. I've got another 7-year old 32" curved-screen Toshiba in this house also (parents' living room TV) and it has the exact kinda weird tube geometry problems my 30HF85 does (but my previous 30HF85s did not have this particular problem).

godson
04-04-2006, 09:37 PM
Yea I saw what your saying.Ahh to hell with it,I guess its just inherant to these things.

pfcspengler
04-18-2006, 07:12 AM
i have an insignia NS-30HD and I was hoping to maybe adjust the geometry so I don't have to return it

I split the remote, but can't find anything like that "57" button - have they gone to something else?

godson
04-18-2006, 12:58 PM
NS30? Its a 30" CRT right?If so when you lift the numbers pad look at the motherboard towards the bottom...the "pads" are all numbered.On the #'s pad you would have the channel up/down and volume up/down.Below them are 10 round buttons(mute,sleepetc..)well when the remote is split below that there are 4 rows of 3 small rectangular buttons.Underneath these pads llok at the bottom row all the way to left..it should be 16.Then go up to the 3rd one....in order it would be 16,1D,AB,57.If you still cant get it I will try to post a pic in here of mine to help you out here.Or if posible you could post a pic of your remote to make sure the remote hasnt changed....but I dont think it has.

Porcupine
04-18-2006, 02:26 PM
pfc, is your Insignia newly purchased? I believe you are referring to the new 2006 model that just came out. It's a totally different TV than the one godson has, despite having the same "Insignia" label. The 2006 Insignia is actually the exact same TV as the recent poor quality Toshibas.

The Service Menu on the 2006 Insignia is activated the same way as on the Toshibas. Turn the TV volume down to 0, then hold down the Volume Down button on the TV set itself, and the "9" button the remote, at the same time for a couple seconds. That activates the Service Menu.

Porcupine
04-18-2006, 02:27 PM
What's wrong with your geometry, if you don't mind me asking? I'm currently having Toshiba problems myself, curse them!!! (but what other choice do I have, these days?)

godson
04-18-2006, 05:59 PM
Is that realy called NS-30? I wasnt sure if it was a typo or the actual model number.