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HD DVD to launch without any movies

pchin
03-14-2006, 09:04 PM
"Despite the recent good news that Disney is considering the format, HD DVD backers have had little encouraging news recently. That trend continues with today's announcement that Warner Home Video will not be releasing HD DVD movies on March 28, after all. This means that early adopters will have to wait until sometime in April to get their hands on U2's Rattle and Hum documentary, the first title to be released in the new format."

Full article: http://feeds.feedburner.com/arstechnica/BAaf?m=2091

From another source: "Warner Home Video, the only studio that in January had set a firm date, March 28, for its first high-definition DVD titles to arrive in stores, now says it might not be ready in time because of technical problems."

Gosh untill now there are still some unresolved technical problems...geez this wil be very risky for those early adopters of HD DVD player :confused:

MrTroy
03-15-2006, 08:34 AM
Uh, the writer of that article is mixing up his studios. Rattle & Hum will be released by Paramount, not by Warner.

That being said, the thread title isn't correct. Although Warner maybe tries to make us believe it, they're not the only one releasing HD DVD titles. So even though Warner won't release their titles on March 28, Paramount probably will.

gpt
03-15-2006, 04:19 PM
If Paramount or anyone else had movies ready, wouldn't we be able to order them by now with only two weeks to go?

MrTroy
03-16-2006, 02:06 AM
If Paramount or anyone else had movies ready, wouldn't we be able to order them by now with only two weeks to go?
I don't know. But Paramount made a press release some months ago stating March 28 as the release date for their HD DVD titles. And they haven't withdrawn that statement (yet).

Eddie501
03-16-2006, 10:35 AM
And even if.....the fist HD DVD to be released is Rattle & Hum??? Not something that will take advantange of the brand new medium, but an 18 year old documentary, much of which was shot on black & white 16mm film stock? Way to build interest there Paramount.

MrTroy
03-16-2006, 10:42 AM
And even if.....the fist HD DVD to be released is Rattle & Hum??? Not something that will take advantange of the brand new medium, but an 18 year old documentary, much of which was shot on black & white 16mm film stock? Way to build interest there Paramount.
Yes, that's an error in the article too. R&H is not the first, but one of the first. Paramount is actually releasing 10 HD titles on March 28, including newer movies like Aeon Flux and Sahara.

IMpoor
03-16-2006, 10:46 AM
This is funny to me. You can go out and some expensive new technology but you can even find out if it works properly since you don't have any media for it. That seems like a stupid buy. Don't get me wrong I can't wait for HD-DVD and BluRay to be released. but if I buy one now and it takes a couple of months to get a movie worth buying to be released I will be screwed if the player is defective. Most electronics store only give you a 15-30 day return policy. And who knows how long the manufacturer will take to repair it. I will wait until both formats are released and then decide. I remember when a PS2 first came out it was one of the cheapest ways to get a DVD player. I hope the PS3 will do the same for Blu-Ray. or we get some of those dual format player that LG is developing.

pchin
03-16-2006, 08:32 PM
"Warner Home Video Thursday finally revealed the first details of its plan to market HD DVD titles, including pricing, special features, projected sales and an initial street date of April 18—three weeks after the March 28 launch the studio had originally planned."

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6316722.html

westcott
04-05-2006, 05:26 PM
"Warner Home Video Thursday finally revealed the first details of its plan to market HD DVD titles, including pricing, special features, projected sales and an initial street date of April 18—three weeks after the March 28 launch the studio had originally planned."

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6316722.html

And not a single word on native resolution. When will there be native 1080p content? It seems BluRay is waiting for content and HD DVD is not because most people will not know the difference.

borromini
04-08-2006, 07:49 AM
The Blu-Ray camp has already announced their players' specs having 1080p output and the titles announced at CES will all be 1080p so it's just a matter of waiting 'til May when both get released. Now whether you're willing to pay the high costs is another matter but 1080p content will arrive this year. As for HD-DVD, initial players won't support 1080p but subsequent players will and the titles that have been discussed at CES will be authored in 1080p.

westcott
04-08-2006, 09:15 AM
The Blu-Ray camp has already announced their players' specs having 1080p output and the titles announced at CES will all be 1080p so it's just a matter of waiting 'til May when both get released. Now whether you're willing to pay the high costs is another matter but 1080p content will arrive this year. As for HD-DVD, initial players won't support 1080p but subsequent players will and the titles that have been discussed at CES will be authored in 1080p.

Can you please provide a link or two with the titles that will be released in 1080p. I have not been able to find any.

Thanks!

BobY
04-08-2006, 11:00 AM
All movies in both formats will be released in 1080p/24, that's how they are stored on the disc according to their specs (just as movies on conventional DVD are stored as 480i/24).

Each player will deliver it at the output rate you select (720p, 1080i or 1080p, provided the player supports 1080p) and I believe you get your choice of frame rates, 24 Fps for those displays that support it and 30Fps/60Fps for those that don't.

gpt
04-10-2006, 11:11 PM
The Blu-Ray camp has already announced their players' specs having 1080p output and the titles announced at CES will all be 1080p so it's just a matter of waiting 'til May when both get released. Now whether you're willing to pay the high costs is another matter but 1080p content will arrive this year. As for HD-DVD, initial players won't support 1080p but subsequent players will and the titles that have been discussed at CES will be authored in 1080p.

Actually, there are no plans yet to have 1080p on the next hd dvd players either, according to Mr hd dvd himself..Mr Fujii....at last weeks Japan launch.

BobY
04-11-2006, 07:15 AM
Of course they would say that, even if it weren't true, so they wouldn't hurt the sales of their introductory product which isn't 1080p.

I think the fact that the movies are stored as 1080p tells us all we need to know. Why go to the trouble of requiring the player to interlace the progressive frames for output when they could just be stored as interlaced fields in the first place, as they already are for conventional DVD?

I'm not saying there *will* be 1080p HD HVD players in the future, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely there won't be.

gpt
04-11-2006, 08:10 AM
Of course they would say that, even if it weren't true, so they wouldn't hurt the sales of their introductory product which isn't 1080p.

I think the fact that the movies are stored as 1080p tells us all we need to know. Why go to the trouble of requiring the player to interlace the progressive frames for output when they could just be stored as interlaced fields in the first place, as they already are for conventional DVD?

I'm not saying there *will* be 1080p HD HVD players in the future, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely there won't be.

Maybe this has to do with the fact that studios are not interested in making two versions...one for each format.....?
He never said it would never happen, just that there were no plans as of yet.

I beleive he meant......when/if there are enough actual 1080p displays, is when they will add 1080p.

fryet
04-11-2006, 02:35 PM
Can you post anything that says that the discs are encoded at 1080p? One expert on this forum said that the best way to encode for both 1080p and 1080i is to encode them interlaced and the progressive players can just recombine the pictures with no loss of picture data/quality.

BobY
04-11-2006, 11:06 PM
I've only ever seen it stated, and in multiple places, that both discs would encode movies at 1080p/24, not that that proves anything.

I couldn't find anything on either the Blu-Ray Disc Association or the DVD Forum sites that explicity calls for 1080p/24, but that might be because the studios can use whatever supported codec they want.

On the BDA site:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-13470/Section-13627/Index.html

Refers to the BR Format for Movie Distribution supporting HD 1920 x 1080 at 24p. And the boilerplate in the majority of Blu-Ray press releases states "Blu-ray Discs offer 1920x1080p HD master quality".

HD DVD isn't as forthcoming. If you're inclined to believe Microsoft:

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/HDDVDCESinterview.php

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/24/next-gen_hdtv_compensates_for_first-gen_hddvd/

Also many statements by Amir Majidimehr, Corporate VP of the Windows Digital Media Division, including:

"amirm
01-12-05, 09:43 PM

...I can give you a lot of proof points, but here are a few:

1. Both rounds of HD-DVD forum codec tests were done strictly with 1080p. We know because we participated in both (and won both of them :)).

2. We have done numerous demos with HD-DVD (and recently with BD). In all cases, the encoded content was in 1080p.

3. The source comes in 1080p, D-5 masters typically (as part of the telecine transfer from film). Why would anyone convert these to 1080i first? It just makes no sense.

4. Progressively source content is easier to encode in progressive than converting it to interlace first.

Turst me when I say HD-DVD will fully support progressive 1080p and interlaced 1080i content. As will Blu-ray.

Amir
Microsoft"

That would jive with what I understand. There is no need to store films at greater than 24Fps as the other output rates can be created from that and progressive frames compress more efficiently than interlaced frames. 1080p/24 is a standard HD production format for film and video at this point (many TV dramas are shot at 1080p/24 for a more film-like look and even some high-profile films have footage of 1080p/24 transferred to film).

Maurice
04-13-2006, 05:38 PM
Are there any displays (TV's) out yet that can accept a 1080p input?

I was just looking at the latest Sony 1080p set and it disticly says that max input is 1080i, and it cannot accept 1080p.

maggi
04-14-2006, 01:00 AM
In addition to HD-DVD and BD, my friend purchased a HD-FVD from Taiwan and frankly speaking, the quality is very good. I am confused as to what should I buy.

SLedford
04-14-2006, 05:01 AM
What is HD-FVD? Are there going to be movies available here in the USA for this format, and if so, which studios are supporting it?

I think we are all a little confused right now - two new formats that really haven't taken off yet. My reaction to this is to try to learn as much as I can and sit on the sideline till the picture clears up a bit.

borromini
04-14-2006, 06:56 AM
FVD is the Asian market's answer to the other two formats. However, it's very unlikely that it would ever gain traction here in the NA markets since no Hollywood studio has announced plans to support it.

hdtv4me2
04-14-2006, 07:18 AM
I was recently given a DVD movie package that contained a standard DVD and a HD DVD, both had the same movie. I played the HD DVD on my computer and it was awesome. Can't wait to see it on a bigger screen.

borromini
04-14-2006, 09:18 AM
What format was it in?

hdtv4me2
04-14-2006, 10:44 AM
It said it was an HD-DVD format, Toshiba's invention.

rudyusmc1980
04-14-2006, 12:37 PM
more likely that was a divx6.0 or WMV9.0 disc.

please provide title of movie and how you came to be in possession of this disk. if your friend bought it at the store, it's not hddvd.

maggi
04-17-2006, 11:06 PM
What is HD-FVD? Are there going to be movies available here in the USA for this format, and if so, which studios are supporting it?

I think we are all a little confused right now - two new formats that really haven't taken off yet. My reaction to this is to try to learn as much as I can and sit on the sideline till the picture clears up a bit.

:confused: Here is what I found from this friend at LA. The HD-FVD player is selling under the brand name of EDL, www.edlife.com.tw
He bought it at US$248/set. It can plays almost all the high definition files like .wmv; .ts; mpeg4-ts; avi; plus FVD itself. They have FVDs contents from IMAX. My question is if so call HD-FVD can also support 1080i, then, isn't this mean we now have 3 product line to choose????? :confused:

MrTroy
04-18-2006, 01:21 AM
It said it was an HD-DVD format, Toshiba's invention.
If it really was HD DVD (blue laser) you wouldn't have been able to play it in your computer's DVD drive (red laser)...

BobY
04-18-2006, 07:47 AM
Maggi-

You may have three movie formats if you live in Asia and buy bootleg discs, but there is no way the EDL player is going to be supported by studios in this country. They already aren't happy with possibly having to support two Hi-Def formats, and they certainly aren't interested in supporting a format that doesn't give them the copy protection they want.

ah802
04-18-2006, 11:43 AM
Serenity, Last Samurai, Apollo 13, Phatom of the Opera, Bourne Supremacy , and U-571. Looks like some of the hardware is starting to arrive in stores and some early reviews.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/lastsamurai.html

And a whole lot of fuss on slashdot, 50% of the articles are standing to the 'what for crowd', and the other half arguing about the ref equipment to display 1080p, and a few never minds, but you will pay.

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/04/18/1219226.shtml

The industry seems to think they have us.... but most retailers know better and are pretty cautious. Although using the best displays (which most of us don't have) and using the correct HD-DVD player with the right connections... the visuals sound stunning. Maybe I can look forward to this in my old age.... as my eyes fail (Hey; maybe my generation will not have to upgrade... many thanks to macro degeneration).

maggi
04-19-2006, 11:45 PM
Can anyone suggest which is preferred preferrence - HD-DVD or BD? I think there is a chance that with HD-FVD successfully entered in the Asian Market, it will beat the Japanese by cost. The HD market is really a confusion at this stage. Just went to Best Buy and found there is so called Up Convert DVD that can play 1080i !!!

BobY
04-20-2006, 10:46 AM
On paper, BD appears superior because of additional audio capability and better studio support. HD DVD is cheaper and will have more consumer awareness because of it's name. But there are no BD players out yet, so who knows? They will both look good and it's a pretty safe bet that if either format catches on, all the studios will support it regardless of what they may be supporting now.

HD-FVD won't be in the running (except possibly for recording your own HD discs) because it will never receive studio support without the appropriate copy protection demanded by the studios. Even then, the studios don't even want to support two HD formats, let alone three.

There are quite a few upscaling DVD players that will convert a 480i DVD to 1080i (or 720p), but there is no comparison between a scaled-up SD picture and a true HD picture. All of the HD players will also play and upscale 480i discs as well.

maggi
04-25-2006, 09:14 PM
Maggi-

You may have three movie formats if you live in Asia and buy bootleg discs, but there is no way the EDL player is going to be supported by studios in this country. They already aren't happy with possibly having to support two Hi-Def formats, and they certainly aren't interested in supporting a format that doesn't give them the copy protection they want.


Thank you BobY. I am not the early adopter. However, being an economic student, I am curious who will win in the new format war. If the red laser have true HD 1080p output same as the blue laser; plus both party doesn't have much Content at the moment, I think the red laser might earn some market share with its low cost solution. Plus you got a point ~~ the bootleg discs in the Chinese market :thumbsup: The Blue ray will have to think of this threat.

BobY
04-25-2006, 09:38 PM
Except for personal recording, I can't see the red laser system ever having "much content" other than bootleg, which will never be carried by stores in this country.

Both HD DVD and Blu-Ray give the studios the copy protection they want. The studios will not support a format that won't. There may not be much HD DVD content, or any Blu-Ray content now, but studios have already signed on to support these formats. That's not likely to happen with the red laser systems, no matter how cheap they are.