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HD Network IMPOSSIBILITY

dnatoni
03-10-2006, 01:30 PM
Hello, I've followed the forums for about a year and have spent surely near 100 hours searching every corner of the internet to solve my problem, which as of now looks IMPOSSIBLE...though I refuse to give up on general principle.

I live in the 93401 zip code (San Luis Obispo, CA) and have the HR10-250. I receive the locals in SD but not in HD in my area; therefore, I'm not eligible to receive long distant feeds in HD. I've requested DNS HD waivers four times and been shot down every time. I have also called the affiliates themselves, only to have them say they will not approve any waiver request (apparently to watch commercials whose products I have to drive 2 hours to Santa Barbara for which to shop). I've installed two antennas (the small one D* offers and now the 160" beast from Radio Shack (violet rated 160" Long Dual Boom, 57-Element Antenna WITH A PREAMP!), and still the only feed I can get in HD with both is the KSBY NBC HD feed, whose guide menu does not display and therefore does not allow me to program the TIVO to record The Office, Medium, Earl, etc. in HD - it simply says "regular schedule" infinitely.

Needless to say, I'm beyond f'n frustration and about to jump to Charter cable, with whom I can get all local HD feeds. I reaaaally don't want to do this because I can't stand the company/equipment/menus. Please, if ANYONE, ANYWHERE, has ANY possible advice or recommendation on how I can get approval for DNS HD feeds out of LA, I would be beyond appreciative. This morning I even attempted telling D* I want to transfer my account to my vehicle, which ultimately I found does nothing for me because you cannot receive HD through the company that oversees this. I ask any person out there to please enlighten me with what I now truly fear is impossible - to simply watch my network shows in HD. It's such a simple request and I cannot wait until 2007/8 or worst 2009 when everything must be HD. Thank you soooo much to anyone who can help...

dnatoni
03-10-2006, 01:33 PM
On a sidenote, I just bought and installed the antenna two days ago, so if anyone wants the pole mount and antenna, please let me know. It does me no good...

burgdogg
03-10-2006, 02:27 PM
what you could do is call dtv and tell them you moved to bfe montana, in an area which dtv does not offer locals. Then apply for waivers and the lcoals in that area might give you the hd feeds. You can go to the dtv website and put in an address and it will tell you what feeds have already been approved for that address. You find an address that is already granted waivers and it just might work.

dnatoni
03-10-2006, 04:32 PM
Okay, I found an area that would be entirely eligible for the HD feeds. Do I need a specific address and phone number to call D* with? Or will the city/zip and my current cell phone work, as this would just be a vacation home ;) ?

hdforme
03-10-2006, 05:37 PM
Hey man, I feel for you. I just posted another comment a few minutes ago and I have pretty much the same situation, only different area. Wont do me any good. This really sucks.

burgdogg
03-10-2006, 06:13 PM
you would need a actual pysical address to go by in the area, plus dtv would need a local number(make one up) and your tivo(if you got one) i would unplug it from the line.

drock912001
03-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Man I feel for ya.Most stations won't give a waiver for locals if you can pick them up(sd or hd).According to www.antennaweb.org there's only 2 stations broadcasting in hd in your area.From my understanding if sd locals are avaible you won't be granted a waiver.

gene222
03-10-2006, 09:33 PM
I feel your pain and frustratio dnatoni. I live in a valley
surrounded by the magnificant mountains of
western North Carolina. Been turned down 6 times in 2 years. My Directv OTA antenna installed by Directv
is such a joke it should be on the Comedy Channel.

sac87126
03-11-2006, 01:15 AM
Sorry for asking a n00b question but what are HD waivers?

If its in a FAQ point me to it and tell me to STFU :)

rayl
03-11-2006, 05:35 AM
You might try just subscribing to the minimum basic cable service as a supplement to your D* service. That is usually not very expensive (in my case I saved a dollar since I already subscribed to their internet service). It's my understanding cable must include the HD feeds in basic service. At least they do in my area (Comcast). Good luck

Tower Guy
03-11-2006, 06:24 AM
Sorry for asking a n00b question but what are HD waivers?

If its in a FAQ point me to it and tell me to STFU :)


Generally, the local affiliates are waiting for D* and E* to offer their station in HD via satellite, not a distant HD station. HD waivers are like hen's teeth. Some people claim to have seen them, but mostly they are impossible to get. The local stations have no legal obligation to issue a waiver. Some affiliates issue waivers to appease a viewer, but as soon as that viewer is appeased, he is no longer a viewer.

dnatoni
03-11-2006, 12:00 PM
Okay ladies and gentleman - FINALLY!!!! I am now the proud viewer of DNS HD feeds! It all worked :yippee:

Tower Guy
03-11-2006, 12:49 PM
Okay ladies and gentleman - FINALLY!!!! I am now the proud viewer of DNS HD feeds! It all worked :yippee:

Where did you move to?

hdforme
03-11-2006, 02:03 PM
hey, I would like to know what you did. I am in the same boat in rural Nevada.

burgdogg
03-11-2006, 04:58 PM
dnatoni, did you do what we talked about?

JustaPerson
03-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Sorry for asking a n00b question but what are HD waivers?

If its in a FAQ point me to it and tell me to STFU :)

To be able to receive the National HD Network feeds on D* channels 80-89, you need to get a waiver from your local network affiliates.

(Basically, by watching a national broadcast you are not seeing the local programming and their income generating commercials.)

The following link is a Directv search showing the D* pages that explain this:

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=waiver&sp-a=sp1001d23b&server=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.directv.com&secureserver=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.directv.com&path=glb&page=Search.dsp&assetcount=5&login=0&home=0

quarrymen
03-13-2006, 06:33 PM
if your local station is owned by the network and not the affiliate you will be able to receive that distant network in hd and also the 300s

dnatoni
03-13-2006, 07:20 PM
Okay, I followed the initial suggestion. I sat there with a googled map of California and enterted in cities to google, got their zip codes, and plugged them into the following address http://directvdnseligibility.decisionmark.com/app/AddressForm.aspx

I continued doing so until the results said "eligble" for the stations I wanted (all four networks). If it said "grade A," or B, or any grade at all, I simply found a new zip. Once I realized no place in CA was eligble with all four, I looked up some real estate in Montana, found the address of some property, gave that to DirecTV as my hunting cabin address where I installed all my equipment, and BAM! I now get the LA HD feeds of NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX, as well as the SD feeds of NY and LA. My time zone is different on the guide - one hour ahead - but I could really care less - I have HD!!!! Not only this, the awesome lady that helped me gave me 3 free months of Showtime, which has an HD feed as well. I do have my box disconnected from the phone line though now, just in case...

Now, yes, I do feel slightly bad about doing this, but I DID try every legitimate option first - I applied for waivers four times, I had D* install an OTA antenna, plus I bought another huge $150 antenna after that. So, I'm hoping that karma is going to be cool with me on this one. Please don't go out there and abusing this loophole though. This should be a last resort savior for those those customers who have tried EVERYTHING else and gone to hell and back bending over backwards to solve this unfortunate problem. Remember, it isn't D*'s fault - it's those f#$%'n local affiliates!

sac87126
03-13-2006, 10:12 PM
To be able to receive the National HD Network feeds on D* channels 80-89, you need to get a waiver from your local network affiliates.

(Basically, by watching a national broadcast you are not seeing the local programming and their income generating commercials.)

The following link is a Directv search showing the D* pages that explain this:

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=waiver&sp-a=sp1001d23b&server=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.directv.com&secureserver=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.directv.com&path=glb&page=Search.dsp&assetcount=5&login=0&home=0

And Tower Guy...

Thanks.

Boca
03-14-2006, 05:12 PM
Okay, I followed the initial suggestion.
So are there extra charges for these channels?