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NEW HDTV Choice Help

mikerossi
03-06-2006, 09:14 PM
Hello,
I have been looking into a new HDTV and have narrowed my decision down to a few. I am on a budget, and would like a CRT, the two I have decided upon are the Toshiba 30HF85 HDTV and the Samsung TX-R3075WH. I am leaning more towards the Samsung TV, and supposedly it can even display a 720p image. But it seems like an error as it's a CRT. But any suggestions or reccomendations would be greatly appreciated.

borromini
03-06-2006, 09:36 PM
...I am leaning more towards the Samsung TV, and supposedly it can even display a 720p image. But it seems like an error as it's a CRT... If that's published anywhere, it is an error since none of these consumer CRT HDTV display 720p. If what was meant was that the TV can accept a 720p signal...that would be likely correct.

godson
03-07-2006, 07:01 PM
If that's published anywhere, it is an error since none of these consumer CRT HDTV display 720p. If what was meant was that the TV can accept a 720p signal...that would be likely correct.
Definitly.I too was once fooled into believing that normal consumer CRT's display true 720p.Many retailers,like BB,where I bought my CRT from will argue till they're blue in the face that the set displays 720p.Like I have learned and borromini has stated above,they are more than capable of accepting a 720p signal,and may even display on you tv that its 720p,but not the case.It may display that the incoming signal is 720p,but its still converting it to its native.In my case,if I set my cable box to output 720p,the set accepts it but the PQ is way off,lotsa jaggies and a motion blur type of effect.Leave my STB set to 1080i,and its fine even on channels that display in 720p,the tv does a great job of displaying it.I'm not sure if the STB is doing the conversion or the tv is,but whichever it is it looks very nice.

godson
03-07-2006, 07:10 PM
Actually,just outta curiousity,in the case of a channel that displays 720p,which does the conversion.Is the STB doing the conversion since I have the output set to 1080i,or is the tv doing a conversion?Is it both?Like I said just curious how it actually works.When I set the STB to 720p I would imagine that its outputing 720p and then the tv is converting it to 1080i,which I imagine is the cause in the loss of PQ.But in the case of me having the STB set to 1080i,and then a channel that displays in 720p,which is doing the conversion?Maybe the sequence as I'm picturing it will help.....signal sent in 720p---STB accepts signal and then converts to 1080i as per my output settings define----the tv dispalys the 1080i. Or is there somekinda double converting thing happening here? I'm no tech so my terminolgy my be off as well as my idea as to how signal are sent but was just curious and I'm SURE there is more than a few people on here that understand how this works and can explain it to me.Just trying to feed my thirst for knowledge.

borromini
03-08-2006, 12:58 AM
STB is doing the conversion in the scenario you described.

mikerossi
03-08-2006, 12:59 PM
I think that I am going to buy the Samsung. I have heard that the Toshiba (30HF85) has had a lot of problems in the past. Also the only problem I can find with a Samsung is the geometry problems which were fixed after the N series of Slimfit models. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

mikerossi
03-12-2006, 05:36 PM
Any opinions on the Samsung TX-R3075WH? I don't want to make a bad purchase.

gmboot
03-13-2006, 10:16 AM
Any opinions on the Samsung TX-R3075WH? I don't want to make a bad purchase.

I just returned my Samsung a little more than a week ago. I purcahsed it form Best Buy. It had a beautiful crisp picture, vibrant colors. From that standpoint it had the best picture of the CRT HD TVs under a $1000. However, it also had a purity problem. It had a problem drawing straight horizontal lines across the bottom 3rd of the screen and problems with vertical lines on the upper right and left hand corners of the TV.

As much as that was an issue, the power supply turned out to be a bigger issue. 40 days after purchasing the TV it started having a short where the picture would turn off for a 1 second and come back on at random intervals. Every 20 to 30 minutes this would happen. It was annoying and something that shouldn't have been happening to a brand new TV. Best Buy tried to fix it several times but could never get the right part. See the link below to the thread about my Samsung CRT adventure.

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=19244

Finally the Best Buy Tech after 4 visits said he couldn't fix and and told them to allow me to return it. When I went back to the store, I looked at another Samsung CRT model and it had the same purity problem. SO I decided not to get it. The Sony 30" model was just too big. Althought the screen size is the same and my samsung, it weight 40 pounds more. I had head bad things about the Toshiba. Hate Phillips TVs. So I was stuck. So I did the only thing a logical man would do... I upgraded to a LCD TV. Yep, got 32" Samsung LCD.

It had the best picture to me for all the TVs at that price point. I have 30 days to see if anything goes wrong with it. If so it will go back too.

I would say that if you can haul the Sony into your home or have Best Buy deliver it, get the sony. It cause the same and has almost as clear a picture as Samsung, BUT none of the purity problems.

Greg

Porcupine
03-13-2006, 02:16 PM
However, it also had a purity problem. It had a problem drawing straight horizontal lines across the bottom 3rd of the screen and problems with vertical lines on the upper right and left hand corners of the TV.I almost bought a Samsung last week. But when I went to the store to buy one, I first took a critical look at all the Samsung CRTs to make sure I was making the right decision. But this last look at them revealed more flaws to me and I decided they had too many problems that I could not live with.

One of main issues was with that same problem you noticed, where Samsungs cannot draw straight horizontal lines in the bottom 3rd of the screen. That's a far too large region to be acceptable, and I noticed it on all Samsung CRTs. It was worse on some units than others though. On the best unit (a lucky one, also it wasn't SlimFit) I actually found the problem acceptable (but 1 unit out of 20, not good odds). On 3 units the problem was so bad I did not think anyone could live with it (all SlimFits). On the rest (some SlimFits, some not) the problem was moderate, which perhaps some people could live with I suppose.

I also saw 1 Samsung that had a terrible magnetic discoloration in one corner, as well. A "bad" unit.

mikerossi
03-13-2006, 06:12 PM
So I take it that the Samsung TX-R3075WH isn't a good choice? I was really just on the brink of buying it. Would you have any other suggestions for a CRT HDTV about 650$ total with shipping?

gmboot
03-14-2006, 12:58 AM
All the new16x9 CRT are in the 700+ range. I paid $799 for the Samsung before the Christmas. I had the R3079 Slim Fit model. The R3075 model is an older model. I can't even find it anymore. I was told that the purity issue (the distorted picture) was caused by the slim fit design. With the case open I could see that they had to make some serious design modifications in order to make that case 1/2 as deep as it normally would have been.

I'm not sure about the 3075 model. I know it doesn't have HMDI and that is someting every TV you buy should have if you want to ever take advantage of the HD / Blue Ray DVD stuff.

Phillips has a 30 inch 16x9 model, but I have been off Phillips sets for about 15 years. BB has it listed for $629.

Whatever you buy, see it in person. See it showing real HD. No matter what it is your perception that is going to count. Let me know what you decide.

mikerossi
03-14-2006, 01:45 PM
The TX-R3075WH does have an HDMI input. All the flaws previously mentioned in this post had to do with Slimfit models, which are very troublesome. The TX-R3075WH is pretty new. I recently read reviews on it and heard nothing but positive comments. So I am going to bite the bullet and order it this Friday. All of your help has been greatly appreciated.

P.S When I get my TV I will check in the Service Menu to see if VSM can be turned off. I have seen many posts regarding this issue so stay posted for an answer.

mikerossi
03-14-2006, 01:48 PM
gmboot, the 3075WH you are thinking of is either the N series or the P series, neither one of those has an HDMI input. The one I am talking about is the newest series, the R series.

Porcupine
03-14-2006, 05:05 PM
I am curious, why do you not consider the Sony 30HS420 in your list of options? If you can afford the space (and it seems you can, as you are probably buying a Samsung TX-R3075WH with side speakers) the Sony will give you much better picture quality at a lower price. The Samsung retails for 100 dollars more than the Toshiba 30HF85, Sony 30HS420, and Philips brand CRT HDTVs.

Personally I am still waiting on the new Toshiba 30HF66 to see if it will improve the many faults of last years' models. If it doesn't, I dunno what I will do. It seems companies these days only put their efforts into maintaining good quality on their LCD HDTVs. But LCD is not an option for me, I hate the technology (motion-blur).

mikerossi
03-14-2006, 06:10 PM
Does the Sony have a built in ATSC tuner? I had no clue that the Sony was available for about 650 with shipping.

godson
03-14-2006, 07:38 PM
STB is doing the conversion in the scenario you described.
Thank you borromini.

gmboot
03-14-2006, 09:51 PM
I am curious, why do you not consider the Sony 30HS420 in your list of options? If you can afford the space (and it seems you can, as you are probably buying a Samsung TX-R3075WH with side speakers) the Sony will give you much better picture quality at a lower price. The Samsung retails for 100 dollars more than the Toshiba 30HF85, Sony 30HS420, and Philips brand CRT HDTVs.

Personally I am still waiting on the new Toshiba 30HF66 to see if it will improve the many faults of last years' models. If it doesn't, I dunno what I will do. It seems companies these days only put their efforts into maintaining good quality on their LCD HDTVs. But LCD is not an option for me, I hate the technology (motion-blur).

Honestly, I didn't think the Sony had a better picture color or clarity wise. When I purchased mine, the Samsung and Sony were right next to each other showing the same HD source. The Samsung looked better. HOWEVER, as I stated in my previous post, the Samsung had the purity issues that I didn't notice till I got home with it and saw it.

The Sony is a good tv. IT IS HUGE, but a good tv.

gmboot
03-14-2006, 09:53 PM
gmboot, the 3075WH you are thinking of is either the N series or the P series, neither one of those has an HDMI input. The one I am talking about is the newest series, the R series.

You are right Mike. I thought it was one of the older models. Let us know when you get it and what you think about it. If it hadn't been for the purity issues with bowing of horizontal and veritcal lines.

BrianO
03-14-2006, 11:55 PM
Does the Sony have a built in ATSC tuner? I had no clue that the Sony was available for about 650 with shipping.

The Sony KV-30HS420 does not have a built-in ATSC tuner. It has been discontinued for that very reason in order to comply with the FCC mandate on sets having a screen size of 25" or larger.



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mikerossi
03-15-2006, 01:42 PM
Okay. So I did a bit more research and couldn't come up with a better TV for the price. So I have decided I will purchase the Samsung TX-R3075WH. If anyone has any suggestions please post them. Thanks for all the help!

Porcupine
03-16-2006, 04:23 PM
mikerossi, well it sounds like you know where to get the Samsung for very cheap so that's fine. Price is always an important factor. I was only referring to retail prices for the Sonys, Samsungs, etc...in which case the Samsungs retail for about $100 higher than the others. In reality you may know of a local store or website which gives you different prices.

gmboot, well in my opinion the Sonys and Toshibas appeared to have the best picture quality in-store. But when I took home my Toshibas that's when I realized the faults they had. I still think the Sonys look better than the Samsung in the store, but since I've never owned any in my house, I can't say for sure which is the better set.

I thought in the store the Sony 30HS420 had a slightly sharper picture than the Samsung 30" widescreens, and better geometry. But far from perfect, like I see so many Sony fanboys declaring. None of the CRT HDTVs I see look very impressive to me, so I'm sad. :)

mikerossi
03-16-2006, 08:21 PM
Well I did a bit more research on the Toshiba 30HF85, and now i'm not sure if i'm going to buy the Samsung... Is the built in tuner really worth it? If not, then I might end up with the Toshiba. Does anybody know much about the Toshiba? Does it have good SD and HD quality? How is the Geometry?

Nonnie
03-17-2006, 07:56 AM
Do not even consider the 30hf85. The "white glow" over component and the HDMI banding are deal breakers. These two issues have plagued this series of sets since they first came out. You'll be buying a product that cannot properly display a 1080i signal. Orion has not addressed the issue and probably never will.

If you really want the Toshiba (for design or size) see if you can find a 30HF84. There are still new ones around and they produce excellent pq at 1080i. Have had mine for over a year and am happy with it.

I also own a Philips 30pw8502 that I got for under 5 over a year ago. Outstanding pq and works perfectly. There are also very atttactive deals at the Philips Outlet.

Porcupine
03-17-2006, 02:59 PM
Not only that, but the 30HF85's have other problems as well. Video 3 inputs do not work on any of them (unacceptable interference line patterns pop up, also present on Video 1 and Video 2 but not as bad), terrible quality control problems which vary from unit to unit, etc.

Don't get a 30HF85, it is a bum unit. I returned 4 of these last month (kept trying the same unit because it fit my design and size requirements) before finally giving up on HDTV for the time being.

I agree that a Toshiba 30HF84 is probably better (even though it is also made in Thailand by Orion) if you can find one. Nonnie has personal experience with this and I believe what he says. A Toshiba 30HF83 (genuine Toshiba-made) would be even better, but even harder to find.

I'd buy a 30HF84 if I could find one too, but I haven't been able to. I can't order online because I live in Hawaii. I also don't like the idea of ordering TVs online anyway.

Maybe you should wait for the Toshiba 30HF66 to come out (hopefully this month), like I am. It comes with a built-in digital tuner, and maybe the quality will be better this year.

mikerossi
03-17-2006, 07:07 PM
Well I ordered the Samsung... I hope it doesn't end up to be bad. If I am not satisfied with the picture quality I will return it and wait for the new Toshiba. Thanks for the help everybody! I will be sure to make either a response or a new thread about the Samsung TX-R3075WH... From what I've heard it's supposed to be very good. Thanks again.