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waiver denied by local affiliates

penguin42
03-06-2006, 12:17 PM
Hello, I am new to this forum and I seek some advice. I live about 70 miles north of Seattle and I am not able to receive local hdtv over the air. I did a waiver request to get the direct TV west coast affiliates and my local affiliates turned down my request! I missed the superbowl on hdtv because of this as well and the olympics. I really want network HDTV coverage! Anyone have any advice as to what I can do?

rbinck
03-06-2006, 12:32 PM
If you can not get HDTV on cable up there, you may be SOL until they add the Seattle area to the new 5LNB dish package.

Diogenes
03-06-2006, 12:49 PM
Hello, I am new to this forum and I seek some advice. I live about 70 miles north of Seattle and I am not able to receive local hdtv over the air. I did a waiver request to get the direct TV west coast affiliates and my local affiliates turned down my request! I missed the superbowl on hdtv because of this as well and the olympics. I really want network HDTV coverage! Anyone have any advice as to what I can do?

I would call a Seattle newspaper and see if they are interested in running the story about the problem. I would then call Directv and explain exactly what happened, explain to them you are working on the story with the newspaper and how you would hate to have the story show how local cable can provide HD network coverage while Directv cannot. It is about time somebody let the public know about how local stations are denying access to network coverage to the public.
After I had finished doing that I would either write a letter or call my congressman and tell him about the problems. Nothing like a congressional inquiry to light a fire under your locals. Then I would contact the FCC and try to enlist their aid. Finally the local stations are required to keep a file of customer issues that the FCC looks at when their license comes up for renewal I would take a written explanation of what the locals are doing and post it in that file. None of this may have any effect, but it will make you feel better, and if enough people do it, maybe Congress will finally act.

Tower Guy
03-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Hello, I am new to this forum and I seek some advice. I live about 70 miles north of Seattle and I am not able to receive local hdtv over the air. I did a waiver request to get the direct TV west coast affiliates and my local affiliates turned down my request! I missed the superbowl on hdtv because of this as well and the olympics. I really want network HDTV coverage! Anyone have any advice as to what I can do?

DirecTV can't grant you a waiver, only the Seattle TV stations.

The Seattle TV stations would love you to watch them in HD, but DirecTV is not carrying the Seattle stations yet.

DirecTV has listed Seattle as included in the next 24 markets to do local stations in HD. A month or two and you'll be all set.

How sure are you that you can't get Seattle Over the Air?

SSN720
03-06-2006, 10:35 PM
3 to 5 more weeks my friend, and we will be on-line ( Seattle ) w/ MPEG 4 upgrade. Hang in there.

davecramer74
03-07-2006, 09:30 AM
what ^^ he said. You guys up in seatown will be getting it very soon. When they announced it here in the bay area, we had them within a couple weeks.

crescent
03-07-2006, 10:06 AM
Direct tv told me I would get the local channels high def.Nothing was ever mentioned about outside antennas.They also told best buy I would get high def locals.I was told it was coming to me from a satellite all digital.Now they say they are sorry that I was given miss info.I tried ending my contract over the phone.MY att says I will have to pay my way out of the contract.I applied for a waver I was also turned down.There are no plans to solve my problem.Anyway it wouldn't make sence to upgrade to the new dish.I heard there were problems with it,and you would be in a new contract with direct tv for 2 more years.

penguin42
03-07-2006, 12:29 PM
hmm. Thank you for the info, I did not know that Seattle HD feeds would be up and running in a few months. I guess I just have to wait it out.

I just got a new dish recently, a 3LNB. Do i need to upgrade to the 5LNB to be able to watch the Seattle Network HD feeds?

steve51wv
03-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Yes, you need the 5LNB dish as well as a new receiver to watch MPEG4 stations which will be the case with your locals.

DWBJ
03-07-2006, 01:21 PM
You my friend are screwed until the change. I live outside of Seattle
and have the same problem with a Channel Master 4228 antenna. The locals do not care about your problems. However you can get the FOXHD west coast feed because it is owned by Murdoch (owner of Direct Tv). Call the waiver department and they should turn that on for you right away.

keithfm
03-07-2006, 10:34 PM
Ok are you saying that an area that is blocked from satellite local channels, will NOT be blocked by the old rules because of a local affiliate.
And soon we will able to get Network channels as long as you are on HD and have the new 5 Lnb, even though the area is blocked for locals?

cluckah
03-08-2006, 07:21 AM
that's my understanding
anyone know what the cost will be to upgrade to 5lnb and H20?
I live in Maine and will be waiting awhile for Portland to come on line

Tower Guy
03-09-2006, 02:59 PM
Ok are you saying that an area that is blocked from satellite local channels, will NOT be blocked by the old rules because of a local affiliate.
And soon we will able to get Network channels as long as you are on HD and have the new 5 Lnb, even though the area is blocked for locals?

Sometimes the satellite guys use the term "locals" to mean stations like KOMO and KING. Yet in another breath they use the same term to refert to the networks, NBC, CBS, etc. Much of the confusion over the access to network programming via satellite is due to this misuse and subsequent misunderstanding of the terms.

Typical question: Can I get my locals in HD via satellite?
Answer: Sure, just request a waiver.
Reply; OK, I'll sign up.
Reality: A waiver does not get you local stations.

hdgus
03-09-2006, 04:02 PM
You my friend are screwed until the change. I live outside of Seattle
and have the same problem with a Channel Master 4228 antenna. The locals do not care about your problems. However you can get the FOXHD west coast feed because it is owned by Murdoch (owner of Direct Tv). Call the waiver department and they should turn that on for you right away.

Does this go for anyone?

DWBJ
03-09-2006, 05:40 PM
What is your question? If you mean the FOXHD part. it is true for everyone who has a local Fox channel owned by Murdoch. If you don't know just call Direct Tv. They will that that info.

keithfm
03-09-2006, 11:23 PM
OK heres the honest truth about LOCALS/NETWORK CHANNELS,
The sales people are flat out LAZY USELESS telemarketing idiots!!!

I install in an area that is blocked for network channels but YET everyday i get installs that the customer was PROMISED that they can get the networks, but yet I know the REALITY is NO NO NO. Then the customer or installer calls for activation and then the SH_T hits the fan the customer finds out they dont get them and get totally mad andwants it all taken out and i dont blame them. I called using a fake name but a real address in this area and did a mock order for a new install and when it came to the part of programming that i wanted i asked for everything except movie channels but wanted network feeds, and just as i knew they would the sales person taking my order, said sure not a problem,and quoted me the package price with the networks and i made a point on saying how i need my network to watch my favorite shows and so on and she again asured me i would get all my channels and even said that i would be getting them from the los angeles area (boy she was a good lier,well anyhow as we were about to finish the deal and set up an install date and time i asked for her ID and asked to speak to a manager, after being on hold for about 4 minutes i finally got one and i told them that i just got you on a fraudulent sale, and boy were they kissing my butt after i told them what i just did.

I told him that you just sold me a package that you wont deliver, but your sales girls was sure good as lieing to me and promissing me the world if i would just sign up,knowing damn well she never took the time to check my zip code to see if locals are available to me ,knowing if they did inform me of this that i would most likely cancel right then and there. Fauls representation to make a sale!
And just like the recording says at the begining this may be recorder for better customer service, and i asked him if this was being recorded but before i let him answer i did advise him that i did record this and it will be sent to the BBB and the FCC and anyone else i seem fit to, and if he would like a copy i would send him one too.
Needless to say that Chicken hung up on me, guess he know he was nailed to the wall.
Needless to say i will be having fun with this and i will send copies to who ever i see fit!

As far as i am concerned thats NO DIFFERENT than buying something on Ebay and the person never sends you the products that you payed for !! thats FRAUD!!!!

These sales people need to be FIRED on the spot!!!! :mad:

keithfm
03-09-2006, 11:31 PM
BOY thats another joke,
Waivers are just a way to drag on the customer on longer from canceling because they got caught lying about offering network channels to a customer.

Waivers what a crock!!! Another diversion for being caught lieing.
and giving FAULS hopes,we all know the customer would be better off buying a lottery ticket.
:mad: