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please help me choose a tv!

thedarkbrown
12-26-2005, 05:11 PM
hi all.

i recently purchased an xbox 360 and would like to take advantage of the hdtv formats.

i've done a lot of research on hdtv's, but i can't decide on which tv would be best for me.

this is what i have right now:
- sharp 27' SDTV
- directv dvr. this has s-video and co-ax out. i'm surrently using co-ax out to TV
-xbox 360, xbox, ps2

this is what i want to do:
-watch tv in normal SD format from my directv system
- play xbox 360 in HD format
- watch dvd's w/ progressive scan (from xbox 360) in HD format
- i will use component video cables for the xbox 360 (used as dvd player)

this is what i want in a tv:
- less than $1000, but can go up to 1200
at least 27" at most 32"
- want it to support 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
- widescreen, no 4:3

i'm considering these tv's:
-Samsung 30' slimfit TXR3079WH (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-30-SlimFit-HDTV-TX-R3079WH-/sem/rpsm/oid/120404/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)
-Panasonic 30" CT30WX15 (http://www.dealtime.com/xPC-Panasonic_CT_30WX15)
-Prima 30" HT3061P (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05742185000&subcat=HDTVs)
-Toshiba 30" 30HF85 (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05742485000&subcat=HDTVs)
-others???

i have the room for a crt hdtv, so i don't need an lcd, but i would consider an lcd display, like this one:
samsung 26" lcd display (http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&n=0&mt=a&coe=0&oidPath=0:-23542:-23589:-24298:-36941:932708)

do all crt hdtv's upconvert the signal?
any idea what the best tv may be for me?
oh, also, i don't like the speakers on the side as i listen to surround sound anyways, but i can manage.

any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. i can also clarify if needed.

thank you,
jesse

borromini
12-26-2005, 10:13 PM
Best advice is to go compare those sets you listed with your own eyes. The Sony 30" CRT HDTV should also be considered if it falls within your budget.

bboncorr
12-27-2005, 12:45 AM
like borromini said its best to just go see for yourself. sony makes the best crt in my oponion.(i cant believe i said that i hate sony) but others might diagree. i also like toshiba. check the link for some tvs i like within your budget. i would stay with a widescreen tv. especially since you play xbox 360. also widescreen is alot better for HD and dvds. stay away from 27 and 32 inch tvs. 30 and 34 inch are better. i would also stay away from samsung crts. i know a few electronics repair people and they say samsung and jvc are not reliable. i didnt listen to them and found out about jvc. jvc is not a company you want to deal with when something goes wrong. and they said samsung is the same way.

sony 34 inch for less then $1200
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6494153&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03002&id=1077628885976

sony 30 inch for around $800
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6494135&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03002&id=1077628885856

toshiba 34 inch for under 1k
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7064703&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03002&id=1110265591543

Emsurfer
12-27-2005, 02:15 AM
You've gotten good advice from the two previous posts and you should look and compare these sets for yourself as Borromini suggested. I agree with bboncorr not necessarily that Samsung CRTs are unreliable but they do have quality-control issues with their slim-fits. Mainly because they tried to be a [email protected]$$ and "shrink" the CRT tube to dimensions beyond their capability. However, there LCDs are very good.

As for CRTs,

SONY
Panasonic
Toshiba


LCDs

Sharp AQUOS
SONY Bravia
Panasonic TC-26LX50
Toshiba 27HL95
Samsung

Yes, all HD CRTs "upconvert" the signal to 1080i.

thedarkbrown
12-27-2005, 02:42 AM
fantastic, thanks for the info guys.

i'm going to check them out in the stores tomorrow, however i'll have to go by memory as they don't have all of the tv's in the same store.

grmz13
12-27-2005, 02:54 AM
I recommend the Sony KD-30XS955. I have the 34inch, but its a little more than $1200, which is why I suggest the 30". It's a great picture with my XBOX360. While it is true that CRT upconvert 720p to 1080i, it does give you a different picture. In 1080i (XBOX360) mode, the picture is crisp and super sharp. I have my 360 set to 720p and whatever the TV does internally, I really like. While CRTs cannot display true 720p and supposedly upconvert to 1080i, the picture is smoother and cleaner, if a bit less detailed, kinda like what I see on flat panel 720p LCD's. Anyway, yeah, I recommend Sony 30XS955.

thedarkbrown
12-27-2005, 02:59 AM
ok, 1 more question.

when comparing the toshiba 30HF85 30" and the sony KV-30HS420 30", for watching standard tv which is better:

Aspect Ratio 16:9

or

Aspect Ratio 16:9 4:3 Enhanced

also, which one of these is better:

Comb Filter 3DYC / 3D Digital
Invar Shadow Mask With Invar Shadow Mask
Velocity Scan Modulation With VSM
Adjustable Color Temp. With Adjustable Color Temperature

or

Comb Filter 3DYC / 3D Digital
Velocity Scan Modulation With VSM
Adjustable Color Temp. With Adjustable Color Temperature

or does it make a difference?

i'll be checking this stuff out tomorrow, i'd just like to know more about it.

fyi, they are both the exact same price at best buy.

thanks.

bboncorr
12-27-2005, 02:41 PM
if they are both the exact same price i say go with the sony. but if you like the toshiba better then go with that. there options should be pretty much the same.

RSawdey
12-27-2005, 03:33 PM
CRTs are usually 1080interlaced, and crossconvert 720p signals for display.
LCDs are usually 720progressive, and crossconvert 1080i signals for display.
CRTs can burn in, LCDs can't.
Comb filters are used to seperate the mixed signals of a Composite Video (NTSC) signal. They have no use with HD signals.
VSM is a kind of edge enhancement... many people turn it OFF with digital signals, which don't need sharpening...
Especially for gaming, I'd recommend the LCD over a CRT...

iserum
12-27-2005, 04:07 PM
Rsawdey is ritght, LCD is the way to go i would stay away from CRT as they are not true digital display as compared to LCD, LCD are cheaper on electric bill and much more half life than CRT tubes.

thedarkbrown
12-27-2005, 05:39 PM
thanks for the info guys.

which tv would be best for BOTH xbox 360 games/dvd and directv using the co-ax or s-video output of the tivo? i'm guessing a tv that has a ntsc tuner and 4:3 capability, but i want to make sure.

you say lcd is best for games, but i don't want the tv just for games. i saw a normal cable channel on an lcd in the store and it looked horrendous.

jsslifelike
12-27-2005, 07:45 PM
A normal cable channel is going to look horrendous on every HDTV you see, so don't let that dissuede you from the technology. Trust me- after a few weeks of HD channels, you'll never check the old ones. If there's nothing on my 15-20 HD stations, I'll try a few digitals then just check the DVR. There's really no point in 1-99 anymore. If you really want to watch crappy quality things through crappy quality connectors, then save yourself some money and buy a new SD set...

Emsurfer
12-27-2005, 10:38 PM
ok, 1 more question.

when comparing the toshiba 30HF85 30" and the sony KV-30HS420 30", for watching standard tv which is better:

Aspect Ratio 16:9

or

Aspect Ratio 16:9 4:3 Enhanced

also, which one of these is better:

Comb Filter 3DYC / 3D Digital
Invar Shadow Mask With Invar Shadow Mask
Velocity Scan Modulation With VSM
Adjustable Color Temp. With Adjustable Color Temperature

or

Comb Filter 3DYC / 3D Digital
Velocity Scan Modulation With VSM
Adjustable Color Temp. With Adjustable Color Temperature

or does it make a difference?

i'll be checking this stuff out tomorrow, i'd just like to know more about it.

fyi, they are both the exact same price at best buy.

thanks.

For SDTV, the Toshiba is better.

Emsurfer
12-27-2005, 10:41 PM
thanks for the info guys.

which tv would be best for BOTH xbox 360 games/dvd and directv using the co-ax or s-video output of the tivo? i'm guessing a tv that has a ntsc tuner and 4:3 capability, but i want to make sure.

you say lcd is best for games, but i don't want the tv just for games. i saw a normal cable channel on an lcd in the store and it looked horrendous.

Maybe one of the other posters did, but I never alluded that LCD was superior to CRT for games. It really depends. The CRT still gives you better color depth and contrast but can be bothersome with "flicker" for some people. If PC input is not that important and you care more about GAMEPLAY and watching HDTV the CRT still gives you the best PQ. Other techs are narrowing the gap though. Book IT.
:D

byronw999
12-28-2005, 10:41 AM
Hey Jesse..

I've just finished the same journey as you are on.. I bought the Panasonic last night at CC for $699. Got it all hooked up here and its absolutely amazing compared to the 10 year old 27" Magnavox it replaced. I was condidering the Sony 30" widescreen, the toshiba 30 and 34 and samsung. I finally narrowed it down to the sony and panny last night. The picture just seemed a bit crisper in all modes and feeds than the sony to me and also I bought this as a bedroom tv (gotta 65 in the liv rm) and I keep stuff on the top like alarm etc and the sony with its round top means no space for stuff.

Anyway I bought a over the air hd receiver and ant. and got the dish and all hooked back up and love it!

Cant help on th xbox issue as I cant find one here in the dfw texas area and wont buy from the skanks ripping people off online so I'm just waiting..

If you dont like the side speakers the toshiba has them on the bottom if I remember right

Byron..


hi all.


i recently purchased an xbox 360 and would like to take advantage of the hdtv formats.

i've done a lot of research on hdtv's, but i can't decide on which tv would be best for me.

this is what i have right now:
- sharp 27' SDTV
- directv dvr. this has s-video and co-ax out. i'm surrently using co-ax out to TV
-xbox 360, xbox, ps2

this is what i want to do:
-watch tv in normal SD format from my directv system
- play xbox 360 in HD format
- watch dvd's w/ progressive scan (from xbox 360) in HD format
- i will use component video cables for the xbox 360 (used as dvd player)

this is what i want in a tv:
- less than $1000, but can go up to 1200
at least 27" at most 32"
- want it to support 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
- widescreen, no 4:3

i'm considering these tv's:
-Samsung 30' slimfit TXR3079WH (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-30-SlimFit-HDTV-TX-R3079WH-/sem/rpsm/oid/120404/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)
-Panasonic 30" CT30WX15 (http://www.dealtime.com/xPC-Panasonic_CT_30WX15)
-Prima 30" HT3061P (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05742185000&subcat=HDTVs)
-Toshiba 30" 30HF85 (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05742485000&subcat=HDTVs)
-others???

i have the room for a crt hdtv, so i don't need an lcd, but i would consider an lcd display, like this one:
samsung 26" lcd display (http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&n=0&mt=a&coe=0&oidPath=0:-23542:-23589:-24298:-36941:932708)

do all crt hdtv's upconvert the signal?
any idea what the best tv may be for me?
oh, also, i don't like the speakers on the side as i listen to surround sound anyways, but i can manage.

any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. i can also clarify if needed.

thank you,
jesse

bratty
01-02-2006, 07:34 PM
I'm confused...again! i have a high-def dvr and a 36"sony (36fs100) that's not hd. but, i was goofing around with the channels and punched in abc on the high def broadcast and it looks way better than the regular abc. so, my question: if my tv isn't hd, is it normal that you'd get a great picture on the high def channels? thanks. sb

Zebra2955
01-02-2006, 07:40 PM
When I bought my HDTV I spent about 4 months researching which one I liked the picture of and options on it and then another 2 months for the best price on that model so good luck and have fun doing it

RSawdey
01-02-2006, 10:56 PM
Digital transmission is much cleaner than analog, and downconverted HD often looks better than a regular analog signal... you've still got the same resolution, but the signal is digitally perfect.

thedarkbrown
01-03-2006, 08:11 PM
Digital transmission is much cleaner than analog, and downconverted HD often looks better than a regular analog signal... you've still got the same resolution, but the signal is digitally perfect.

cool. it's a digital signal from directv. from what i've been hearing it's going to look great on the toshiba i bought. can't wait to see for myself.

that was my main concern with the "regular" tv signals. i was using co-ax, which is why i was calling it analog. i will be using the directv digital signal with s-video now, and then component from the xbox 360.