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BDA: Ultra HD Blu-Ray Sales Looking Strong

Lee Stewart
11-07-2016, 09:22 PM
BDA: Ultra HD Blu-Ray Sales Looking Strong, Boosted by TV and Player Uptake

The 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format sold its 1 millionth disc last month, racking up more then $25 million in consumer spending, according to data from Futuresource cited by the Blu-ray Disc Association.

“One of the key sound bites from [the January CES] was we hoped to have 100 titles out in this new format before the end of the year and that sounded very optimistic,” said Victor Matsuda, VP of the BDA. “But lo and behold, as of the week of Oct. 22, there are almost 90 titles — 88 titles to be exact — that we know are on the market, well on the way to actually more than 100 titles by the end of the year.”

The new format is riding a tailwind of 4K UHD TV shipments. Those shipments are expected to increase 80% this year, and another 40% in 2017, according to data from Futuresource. By the end of 2016, 16% of U.S. households are projected to have 4K Ultra HD sets.

“For the first time ever, as far as the No. 1 wanted customer feature for TVs, it was not, ‘I need a smart TV for Christmas or I need a bigger screen for Christmas.’ It was ‘I need a 4K UHD TV for Christmas,’” noted Matsuda, citing Futuresource consumer research.

Ultra HD Blu-ray players, too, are gaining ground. There are eight players on the market from Panasonic, Philips, Samsung and Microsoft (Xbox One S), according to the BDA. So far, the standalone players (not including the Xbox One S) have sold 80,000 units in the United States, according to Futuresource data. Sony will soon be joining the market with its new Ultra HD Blu-ray player displayed at the recent IFA show. That player is expected to hit the market by the end of the company’s fiscal year.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/high-def/bda-ultra-hd-blu-ray-sales-looking-strong-boosted-tv-and-player-uptake-39100

morriscroy
12-14-2016, 11:05 AM
The biggest deal breaker for me for 4Kbluray, would be if the original unabridged Star Wars trilogy was rescanned/redone in native 4K resolution and released on 4Kbluray. Now that Lucas is no longer directly involved in Lucasfilm.

At a lesser level, though not an immediate deal breaker for me, would be if the upcoming Star Wars: Rogue One movie is done entirely in native 4K (or higher) resolution AND actually takes great advantage of the 4K resolution. (As opposed to the less than stellar picture quality of the previous Star Wars: The Force Awakens movie).

If the picture quality of Star Wars: Rogue One bluray is just as lackluster as The Force Awakens bluray, then it will probably be another mundane first-day/week bluray purchase for me.

(Star Wars live-action movies is probably the only thing left that I would be willing to buy on the first day/week).

morriscroy
12-14-2016, 11:24 AM
(Star Wars live-action movies is probably the only thing left that I would be willing to buy on the first day/week).

(On a more general tangent).

In recent times, I've been slowly coming to the realization that if I'm not willing to pay first day/week prices for a particular title on bluray (or dvd), then I have to question if I even want to watch that particular title in the first place. (ie. Besides watching that particular title only once/twice or never).

I've been mostly avoiding local dump bins + dvd/bluray sections at wm, bb, discount/dollar stores, etc ... largely to minimize any further impulse buying of dvds/blurays. (ie. Don't even walk by any dvd/bluray sections during my weekly shopping)


The only first-day purchase I made over the past year or so, is the Star Wars: The Force Awakens bluray. It turned out, I indeed did watch it over a dozen times already. I can't say the same for my recent "impulse buy" BF bluray purchases of Virtuosity, Labor Day, The Witch (steelbook), and Person of Interest season 5. :banghead:

Lee Stewart
12-14-2016, 02:37 PM
The biggest deal breaker for me for 4Kbluray, would be if the original unabridged Star Wars trilogy was rescanned/redone in native 4K resolution and released on 4Kbluray. Now that Lucas is no longer directly involved in Lucasfilm.

At a lesser level, though not an immediate deal breaker for me, would be if the upcoming Star Wars: Rogue One movie is done entirely in native 4K (or higher) resolution AND actually takes great advantage of the 4K resolution. (As opposed to the less than stellar picture quality of the previous Star Wars: The Force Awakens movie).

If the picture quality of Star Wars: Rogue One bluray is just as lackluster as The Force Awakens bluray, then it will probably be another mundane first-day/week bluray purchase for me.

(Star Wars live-action movies is probably the only thing left that I would be willing to buy on the first day/week).

Star Wars: Rogue One's Digital Intermediate is 6.5K so there could be a 4K UHD BD. But AFAIK, Disney hasn't released any UHD BDs yet.

HD Goofnut
12-14-2016, 09:52 PM
I plan on getting a 4K HDR display and player later this year. I've bought a handful of titles to future proof already.

ImRizzo
12-15-2016, 11:15 AM
I plan on getting a 4K HDR display and player later this year. I've bought a handful of titles to future proof already.

My Oppo UBDP due today 12/15 .......anxiety is killin' me.

ImRizzo
12-15-2016, 11:52 AM
Star Wars: Rogue One's Digital Intermediate is 6.5K so there could be a 4K UHD BD. But AFAIK, Disney hasn't released any UHD BDs yet.

I'd you to see the Disney group get into 4K they'll do it right

morriscroy
12-17-2016, 05:39 PM
Star Wars: Rogue One's Digital Intermediate is 6.5K so there could be a 4K UHD BD. But AFAIK, Disney hasn't released any UHD BDs yet.

Hopefully the producers of Rogue One won't deliberately "crappify" the 6.5K picture quality, to hd or worse quality.


The most egregious case of this, is the picture quality of current NCIS episodes looking just as lousy as the first several seasons (from more than a decade ago), in spite of using modern cameras (allegedly). :banghead:

ImRizzo
12-17-2016, 06:26 PM
I watch BBC's Dr Who and the PQ is totally amazing I bought the Bluray hoping for the same quality but was very upset at the quality of the PQ on Blu ???

morriscroy
12-17-2016, 06:54 PM
I watch BBC's Dr Who and the PQ is totally amazing I bought the Bluray hoping for the same quality but was very upset at the quality of the PQ on Blu ???

IIRC, the american versions of the Doctor Who blurays were released by Warner ?


Unfortunately Warner has been very compression-happy on their tv season set blurays. Some recent egregious case are:

Vampire Diaries season 7 -> 22 episodes crammed onto three bluray discs

Supergirl season 1 -> 20 episodes crammed onto three bluray discs

Legends of Tomorrow season 1 -> 16 episodes crammed onto two bluray discs

The Originals season 2 -> 22 episodes crammed onto three bluray discs


At this point, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Warner continues in this compression-happy direction (ie. reducing the number of bluray discs) for their future tv season bluray sets.

morriscroy
12-17-2016, 06:56 PM
ie. Cramming 7 or 8 episodes onto one bluray disc.

mytime
12-18-2016, 01:07 PM
Never, repeat never thought I would say this. Probably just going to stream .
Haven't bought a disc in a year and I don't miss them.

ImRizzo
12-18-2016, 02:56 PM
Never, repeat never thought I would say this. Probably just going to stream .
Haven't bought a disc in a year and I don't miss them.

the only problem with streaming is the 'compression factor'

mytime
12-18-2016, 03:16 PM
the only problem with streaming is the 'compression factor'

I know. I might change my mind. Just getting lazy. Lol much easier to go to Vudu and look at my movies then sifting through a ton of discs, popping disc in , taking disc out and putting it away . 1st world problems. I'm the same on my PS4 . All my games are digital , no disc swapping there either.

ImRizzo
12-18-2016, 03:21 PM
I have so many Bluray's, I had to have and never watched, same way with 3D's but i'm sure it'll be the same way with 4K disk.

morriscroy
12-19-2016, 09:01 AM
Streaming compression probably won't be as big of an issue, if the internet connections + infrastructure are upgraded accordingly for more realtime data.

If not, then we're stuck at whatever is widely available at any current time.

HD Goofnut
12-19-2016, 09:36 AM
Streaming compression probably won't be as big of an issue, if the internet connections + infrastructure are upgraded accordingly for more realtime data.

If not, then we're stuck at whatever is widely available at any current time.

They won't be upgraded anytime soon. I still occasionally get buffering with VUDU HDX. When I do I say screw it and go get the disc.

mytime
12-19-2016, 12:29 PM
I have 100 meg hard wired to tv. No buffering.

morriscroy
12-19-2016, 12:57 PM
They won't be upgraded anytime soon. I still occasionally get buffering with VUDU HDX. When I do I say screw it and go get the disc.

Just wondering.

Do you work at a network hardware company that manufactures and sells this type of infrastructure equipment, or at a large telecom firm? (Such as Cisco, Comcast, etc ...).

;)


(My semi-insider information is completely out of date. I don't work anymore at a telecom nor any network hardware firms).

HD Goofnut
12-19-2016, 02:00 PM
Just wondering.

Do you work at a network hardware company that manufactures and sells this type of infrastructure equipment, or at a large telecom firm? (Such as Cisco, Comcast, etc ...).

;)


(My semi-insider information is completely out of date. I don't work anymore at a telecom nor any network hardware firms).

No, but I know a few people who do and they said it will never happen without major Federal grants because the cost would be so high. The countries with the best internet are the small ones. The U.S. is so large that it would take billions of dollars to cover the thousands of square miles involved in upgrading our backbone.

HD Goofnut
12-19-2016, 02:02 PM
I have 100 meg hard wired to tv. No buffering.

How much does that run you? I pay $40 a month for Uverse and I get about 10-20 Mbps.

mytime
12-19-2016, 02:17 PM
How much does that run you? I pay $40 a month for Uverse and I get about 10-20 Mbps.

$75 a month.

bruceames
12-19-2016, 05:25 PM
I know. I might change my mind. Just getting lazy. Lol much easier to go to Vudu and look at my movies then sifting through a ton of discs, popping disc in , taking disc out and putting it away . 1st world problems. I'm the same on my PS4 . All my games are digital , no disc swapping there either.

I agree digital is the only way to go on games, but those are downloads and an exact 1:1 copy. For streaming movies I can easily tell the difference in quality and it's enough to make it worth it to pop in the disc. That said, streaming quality is pretty good, better than I thought it would be possible at this point in time. But IMO disc will always be a step ahead.

bruceames
12-19-2016, 05:29 PM
Streaming compression probably won't be as big of an issue, if the internet connections + infrastructure are upgraded accordingly for more realtime data.

If not, then we're stuck at whatever is widely available at any current time.

Streaming compression is affecting by what data rate it's being streamed at, not how much bandwidth one has available. They always have it dumbed down so that they get the widest market possible without too much loss in quality. I believe the normal streaming rate for UHD is at around 20 mbps and 25 mbps max (correct me if I'm wrong though). That of course includes video and audio.

UHD BD is capable of 4x that bit rate and the total bit rate for UHD on an average UHD disc is more than double that of streaming.

bruceames
12-19-2016, 05:30 PM
I have so many Bluray's, I had to have and never watched, same way with 3D's but i'm sure it'll be the same way with 4K disk.

Same here. Gotta have them but no time to watch them. First world problems. :p

morriscroy
12-19-2016, 08:05 PM
Streaming compression is affecting by what data rate it's being streamed at, not how much bandwidth one has available. They always have it dumbed down so that they get the widest market possible without too much loss in quality. I believe the normal streaming rate for UHD is at around 20 mbps and 25 mbps max (correct me if I'm wrong though). That of course includes video and audio.

For the most part. The data can only go as fast as the slowest bottleneck of the connection from point A to point B.

The hard part is figuring out exactly where that particular bottleneck is. Back in the day, the "traceroute" command on unix/linux type machines could give an idea. Nowadays one is lucky if several of the intermediate machines between point A and point B recognizes any of traceroute's packets. (Probably being blocked by various firewalls).

morriscroy
12-20-2016, 02:16 PM
No, but I know a few people who do and ...

(If you don't mind me asking).

Are these individuals personal friends you know offline? (ie. Are they members of your offline social circles?)

Or are these individuals who wrote articles on the topics related to internet infrastructure?

Lee Stewart
08-02-2017, 07:36 PM
'Ghost in the Shell' Sets First-Week Mark for UHD Blu-ray Sales Share

Just weeks after 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc received a big boost when lone studio holdout Walt Disney Studios jumped aboard, the fledgling format has achieved a significant sales milestone.

Paramount Home Media Distribution reports that Ghost in the Shell generated a higher percentage of first-week disc sales from 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc than any other theatrical release with a domestic gross of more than $5 million.

According to NPD VideoScan data, the ultra-high-definition version of the film accounted for 11.4% of its total first-week unit sales.

“This is an outstanding performance for 4K UHD and clearly demonstrates consumers’ desire to own high quality and visually stunning content to maximize the capabilities of their Ultra HD televisions,” said Steve Siskind, president of worldwide marketing, home media, for Paramount Pictures. “Based on consumer surveys we knew that [the film’s] spectacular visual effects were a major purchase driver and these impressive 4K UHD sales bear that out.

“Feedback from our retail partners, coupled with strong sales like this, underscore the positive outlook for 4K UHD and we are responding by ramping up the number of catalog titles planned for release on the format.”

Ghost in the Shell, a sci-fi action film starring Scarlett Johansson and based on the Japanese manga of the same name, earned just under $41 million in U.S. theaters.

It’s the third theatrical film to generate more than 10% of its first-week sales from UHD, according to VideoScan. Logan, from 20th Century Fox, debuted with 10.1% UHD sales the week ended May 28. Lionsgate's John Wick Chapter 2 debuted with 10% UHD sales the week ended June 18.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/paramount/ghost-shell-sets-first-week-mark-uhd-blu-ray-sales-share-40542

HD Goofnut
08-04-2017, 12:05 PM
'Ghost in the Shell' Sets First-Week Mark for UHD Blu-ray Sales Share



http://www.homemediamagazine.com/paramount/ghost-shell-sets-first-week-mark-uhd-blu-ray-sales-share-40542

I bought that version.:yippee:

ImRizzo
08-04-2017, 07:47 PM
I bought that version.:yippee:

me too, picture quality was amazing.
I can't wait till some of 'the Dolby vision' will be added to new releases.