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tj17
10-31-2005, 06:18 AM
I have had this tv for a week now and have been tweeking between the modes , driving myself and my wife crazy..As of now I have it in Pro mode with settings at pic. max, brightness 24, Color 31, and sharpness 30..Are these about right? on some HD movies I notice that the blacks are not real black on pro mode, but if I put it on standard it looks better, but if I pause the picture I can see that the black is covering some of the detail and that when I switch to pro I can see things that the black is covering on the standard mode(hope I make some sense) So my question is Which is the perfered Mode? too most of the people here.

dels28
10-31-2005, 07:47 AM
When watching DVD's I use standard, when watching HDTV programming and everything else, I use Vivid. I used the Thx video settings from my sons Ice Age movie to adjust the settings, and it worked well. Have to get used to the PIC setting not being so white. I have mine around 44. I have my color around 49. I came on here several times when I first bought mine looking for advice. I must have spent the first month tweaking it to get it where I enjoy it. Many will tell you to spend hundreds to have a professional tweak it, or use the avia video disc. If it bothers you that much, I would probably go that route.

tj17
10-31-2005, 09:25 AM
So you use vivid On HD with pic at 44? what about bightness?...and thanks for the reply..

daleb
10-31-2005, 11:01 AM
If the display is properly set up, with reference to user controls AND the service menu, you never have to use any mode other than PRO.

Now to set up the SM you either have to know what settings to change, or have the set professionally calibrated. Either one will yield a much better image than is obtainable just using AVIA, etc, and switching between modes. But your initial changes are certainly an improvement over how the display looks out of the box.

tj17
10-31-2005, 11:56 AM
So your saying that the Way I have it now on pro is better or closer to 6500 than if I was to use standard mode? and is there a link to tell me how to get into SM and settings to change?...thx for the help...I guess if I do get into SM I can write down the way it is and if I do not like it change it back....

daleb
10-31-2005, 12:44 PM
So your saying that the Way I have it now on pro is better or closer to 6500 than if I was to use standard mode? and is there a link to tell me how to get into SM and settings to change?...thx for the help...I guess if I do get into SM I can write down the way it is and if I do not like it change it back....

Proceed with caution. I have been able to improve my viewing pleasure substantially following many of the recommendations. While I feel I have a strong technical background, I lack the necessary instrumentation to do the best job possible.
Nothing will take the place of an ISF cal, but you can make some noticeable improvements. But only if you fully understand WHAT you are doing, (not only 'how').
If you don't have that knowledge, or don't care to learn more, I strongly suggest keeping your tweaking to a minimum. As many adjustments are interactive with others, and some can even render your display useless.
Also, messing in the SM can cancel your warranty. Although, this is very remote unless you do something rather catastrophic.

If you have doubts, or want the best pro job go here:

www.imagingscience.com (http://www.imagingscience.com)

dels28
10-31-2005, 06:42 PM
So you use vivid On HD with pic at 44? what about bightness?...and thanks for the reply..
following settings for vivid, while watching sports and hdtv movies, looks great in my eyes, (which is all that matters).
picture-45
brightness-40
color-45
temp-neutral
sharpness, really have to play with, I have it set to 37, to get the ultimate setting for my eyes, I froze a picture of the NBA finals last June, at adjusted the sharpness, could tell the difference, between zero, and then moving above 20.

tj17
11-01-2005, 09:14 AM
Well I changed it a little after setting both the Standard and pro up with the THX tester on on of the starwars disc and I liked standard better with
Pic - Max
Brightness - 30
Color - 31
Sharpness - 28
Temp - neutral
it seems better but have not watched sports yet...I have a chance to take it back and get the Newer 50" model sence I only have had it 2 weeks would it be worth doing that are is the PQ about the same?

dels28
11-01-2005, 01:39 PM
In terms of the 50", if it is the newer models not the kdf series, they are supposed to have better black levels. I haven't not heard or read anyone verify this claim. In terms of the SD material, I haven't really messed with the DRC levels, the SD material from my cable feed is fairly decent, except for sports progamming on certain channels.

tj17
11-01-2005, 05:58 PM
Is there a way to make wide mode stay on for SD tv and use full For Dvd without having to change it each time? If I set my 480i on tv to Wide Mode and then change to My dvd player which is 480p, it's in wide mode and I would rather have it in Full without having to change each time.

tj17
11-01-2005, 06:56 PM
Also What should My DRC be set to High Density or CineMotion? and thanks for the help...

dels28
11-01-2005, 09:14 PM
Is there a way to make wide mode stay on for SD tv and use full For Dvd without having to change it each time? If I set my 480i on tv to Wide Mode and then change to My dvd player which is 480p, it's in wide mode and I would rather have it in Full without having to change each time.

Just go to menu, scroll down to screen, then you wide mode should be set to full, and your 4:3 default should be set to full as well. This setting should be universal for all of the other video inputs. In terms of the DRC mode, I have mine set to high density, I can't figure out what to set the palette at. I've played with it from time to time, but generally I just leave back at the default settings.

tj17
11-02-2005, 10:09 AM
Thanks, as far as the custom DRC settings I have mine at 15Reality and 90C on standard if I had it on pro I set it 25Reality and 1Clarity

sschantz
11-03-2005, 10:19 AM
Gentlemen,

This is a fantastic post as I recently purchased the 50 KDF 655 about a month ago and still find myself tweaking here and there. I just purchased the Digital Video Essentuals DVD (in route) and will see what happens.

I have written down your setting numbers and will try them out this afternoon. Personally I watch all the Pixar Disney movies in Vivid and evrything else in Pro......

My question is...with all these settings are they "locked" across the board for all the inputsor do I need to set each input 1, 2, 3 etc?

dels28
11-03-2005, 11:52 AM
I believe the picture settings can be set for each input device and then they are automatically memorized I believe.

It's funny to think that as recent as when I bought my tv this Feb, the stores were using DVD's to display the TV's picture quality. Now they do use HD feeds.

tj17
11-04-2005, 04:50 PM
Thats a good Idea about using vivid on paxar movies..Over all are you guys happy with your TV. ?

dels28
11-04-2005, 09:33 PM
For the amount of money spent, I have only a few complaints, and believe me, I've been looking for more. I really enjoy this tv, and it is almost impossible to watch any of the other tv's in my house or anyone elses. Only complaint is with programming, not TV.
Complaints
1. Can not watch digital stations while viewing favorites
2. Can not watch PIP of two HD programs
3. Doesn't get the paper in the morning

I guess only Two, nothing to do with the most important, picture quality.

tj17
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Should BN Smoother and Noise be on are off, I have BN on set to mid because of SD Channels and I read that its off for HD anyway. But Noise Reduction I have set at low.

daleb
11-13-2005, 04:21 PM
Should BN Smoother and Noise be on are off, I have BN on set to mid because of SD Channels and I read that its off for HD anyway. But Noise Reduction I have set at low.

As a 'general' rule, I have found the more tweaked in you have your display, the less dependence you will have on 'enhancements' offered in the user's menu, and the more natural picture results you will have.
An ISF calibrated display should be fine for all inputs using the Pro mode only, especially for HDTV inputs.
The exceptions are some less than stellar SD images, and DVD inputs.
For DVD, (even when using upconverting HDMI players), Cinemotion is necessary for the best image for progressive or upconverted HDMI outpout players. Play around with DRC for the best pic.
I have had good results adjusting the DVD menu controls (if it has any) AND the Sony menu selections for the best all around DVD image specific to that input.

If you are into HTPC or gaming, then you can customize other inputs for the best results, accordingly.

Then again, some are just happy clicking on Vivid, etc. to meet anything you throw at the display. I guess it depends on how OC you are. :)

(I have found no real advantage to BN smoother or Mild. I leave both off.)