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Leaked Microsoft XBox 720 document 2013 launch

Kosty
06-16-2012, 10:47 PM
Xbox 720 document leak reveals $299 console with Kinect 2 for 2013, Kinect Glasses project
By Tom Warren 20 Hours Ago



While it's clear Microsoft isn't planning to introduce its next-generation Xbox console this year, all signs indicate that a 2013 launch is in the cards. A newly leaked 56-page document sheds some light on the company's plans, for what it calls the "Xbox 720." The presentation appears to be from August 2010, and references future improvements like SmartGlass, a Metro dashboard, and Xbox TV apps. Alongside its incremental Xbox 360 updates, Microsoft has a clear vision for its next-generation Xbox 720 console — we've dug into its plans to bring you the best bits.

Xbox 720

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1189674/xbox720.jpg

Microsoft outlines a competitive differentiation for its next-generation Xbox, including support for Blu-ray, native 3D output and glasses, concurrent apps, and additional sensor and peripheral support.

Alongside a promised 6x performance increase, there's also mention of true 1080p output with full 3D support and an "always on" state for the console. A slide on core hardware indicates that the next Xbox will be designed to be scalable in the number of CPU cores and their frequencies. Microsoft appears to have been debating whether to use six or eight ARM or x86 cores clocked at 2GHz each with 4GB of DDR4 memory alongside three PPC cores clocked at 3.2GHz each for backwards compatibility with existing Xbox 360 titles.

Microsoft positions its Xbox 720 as the only box needed for living room entertainment in the document, providing background recording functionality for TV content and a unified Windows 8 foundation to make it easier for application developers to build apps that target Xbox, PC, and Windows Phone. Illustrations of the Xbox 720 throughout the presentation make it comparable in looks to an old set-top box, but appear to be just a concept design used in 2010. Microsoft rounds off the document with a promised price point of $299 with its Kinect 2 hardware and a prediction of a 10-year lifecycle with more than 100 million units sold.

Kinect 2

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1189678/kinect2.jpg



The next iteration of Microsoft's Kinect accessory appears to be an incremental improvement over the current hardware. Microsoft references higher accuracy, stereo imaging, improved voice recognition, support for four-player tracking, an improved RGB camera, and dedicated hardware processing. One particular aspect of the leaked slides is a focus on four-player gaming and Kinect props. "In Kinect v2 we can continue to go beyond controllers and offer peripherals and accessories that heighten game immersion," reads a note section of one of the slides. The Kinect accessories idea appears to be one that is not designed to replace controllers, but will allow devices to interact with the sensor. Microsoft's plans for four-player Kinect gaming reference carnival, darts, and basketball games as a broad way to use the new tracking.

Kinect Glasses (project Fortaleza)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1189690/xboxglasses.jpg

Microsoft lays out a roadmap for its "Fortaleza" Kinect Glasses — which appears to be a research project the company is working on. There's little mention of the hardware involved, but the glasses appear to be Wi-Fi- or 4G-enabled and incorporate augmented reality in a way that's similar to Google's Project Glass augmented reality glasses. Described as a "breakthrough heads up and hands-free device," Kinect Glasses is marked as a 2014 product that won't launch alongside the Xbox 720 console. Microsoft doesn't provide any specifics about how the glasses will work on the Xbox, but they do appear to be designed to be mobile for use away from the console.

Update: It looks like the leaked document has now been removed. Clicking through to Scribd (where it had been hosted this morning) only shows a note that it was removed "at the request of Covington & Burling LLP," an international law firm that lists Microsoft as one of its clients.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/16/3090944/microsoft-xbox-720-kinect-2-kinect-glasses-doc-leak-rumor

Kosty
06-16-2012, 10:50 PM
related from same document source


Exclusive: Next Xbox to have Blu-ray, Support Augmented Reality Glasses

http://nukezillacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Next-Xbox-screen.jpg


Some of the changes coming to Microsoft’s next console will be more surprising than others.

One of the more interesting peripherals hasn’t even been officially announced yet, but isn’t an unheard of concept. According to documents seen by Nukezilla, Microsoft’s Innovation Center in Foraleza, Brasil has been developing a set of augmented reality glasses for some time now. If you aren’t familiar with the concept, Google announced their version of AR glasses earlier this year.

The glasses won’t be included with the next Xbox console, or even available at the system’s launch, but there are already plans in place to make the two technologies work together. No concrete release date is given, but the documents suggest sometime in 2014 at earliest.

Information regarding the glasses is limited, understandable so being so far from release, but interaction with Xbox and Kinect is suggested. Much remains to be seen, but this combination of technologies could produce games and other experiences like a rough version of the holodeck from Star Trek.

The other tech changes in the next Xbox are a bit more commonplace, but still interesting. The documents make multiple references to Microsoft’s next console being an all in one box.

“All in one modern entertainment box with native 1080p 3D video capabilities, Blu-ray and multiple power states.”

Much like backward compatibility though, Microsoft are considering producing a version of the next Xbox somewhere down the line without an Optical Disc Drive.

“At launch we believe Yukon ships with a multi-format ODD with Blu-ray support. This fulfills two key launch requirements: 1) position Yukon as the only box you need and 2) support backwards compatibility. It is not a requirement that game discs ship on Blu-ray (whether we support that or not can be a late binding decision).

Blu-ray, much like backwards compatibility, is a user perception issue more than anything else. Having it removes one more barrier to purchase and leaves our competition with one fewer talking point. Of course this does not preclude a SKU being offered without and ODD at a reduced price point. This should be planned for as our audience moves more and more to digital distribution.”

This seems to suggest a possible split within the Xbox brand sometime during the upcoming console generation. While there would still be systems with a Blu-ray drive included, Microsoft might also sell a smaller, cheaper version just for streaming and downloaded content. This sounds like a better way of working toward a digital only console than just making a clean break from discs.

Microsoft is also hoping to utilize more cross device functions. In theory, tablets and smartphones would be able to either be used as a secondary screen and input device, or as a display for content to be streamed to while something else is running on your TV. Kind of like the Wii U, or even certain DVRs.

“Yukon will enable the next step in cross screen functionality. At its most basic Yukon will be little different than a PC, Windows Phone or Slate albeit with a unique I/O interface. Developers and Creators will be able to deliver application experiences across three screens easily and dependably via HTML5 authoring and the scotch platform. The platform will enable cross platform game development to allow companion gaming experiences.”

Here are some of the examples given:

Select plays in Madden on a phone, then watch it play out on the TV.
Learn more about an actor or (their example, not mine) where to buy the dress she’s wearing.
Start watching something on one screen, switch to another at the same spot (lots of cable DVRs claim this functionality, but it’s hit and miss)
The Xbox Leak:

Kinect 2: four players, two cameras
Hardware back-compatibility dropped after 3 years, 10 year life-cycle
Blue-ray drive built in, support for augmented reality glasses in the pipeline
Announced Jan 2013, released holiday 2013 costing $200-$300
Disclaimer: The documents Nukezilla have seen come from a trusted source, and while we believe them to be accurate, and have done our best to verify them, we can not be absolutely certain. As such, consider this information more strong rumor than fact.
http://nukezilla.com/2012/05/04/exclusive-next-xbox-to-have-blu-ray-support-augmented-reality-glasses/

Kosty
06-16-2012, 10:56 PM
A 54 page document labeled "720 9/24″ describes a system 8 times as powerful as the Xbox 360 that will include a Blu-ray drive, whole house DVR capabilites, and an upgraded Kinect v.2 with four player tracking and HD video capture and. shows a system with a 6-8 core x86 or ARM-based CPU, 4GBs of RAM, a separate ARM-based, dual core embedded CPU for low power media functionality, AND the original tri-core PowerPC CPU from the 360 for backwards compatibility. Despite all that they are targeting a system that will operate at 120 watts, a little more than half the power dissipated by the launch 360 and PS3. They are also targeting a $299 price point, including Kinect packed in with each console, and a launch in 2013. The document also points to a 2012 launch of a so called "Xbox 361″ designed as a low cost 360 intended for "every person and room in your house". This meshes well with the Xbox Loop rumors that surfaced earlier this year pointing towards an inexpensive Xbox branded Roku/AppleTV competitor.

also on the subject

Kosty
06-16-2012, 10:58 PM
http://www.scribd.com/word/removal/92821757

The original document online has been removed per request of a law firm that does work for Microsoft (http://www.cov.com/news/detail.aspx?news=1623)

mikemorel
06-17-2012, 07:13 AM
A newly leaked 56-page document sheds some light on the company's plans, for what it calls the "Xbox 720." The presentation appears to be from August 2010, and references future improvements like SmartGlass, a Metro dashboard, and Xbox TV apps.Two years old, if it's not a fake.

GizmoDVD
06-17-2012, 09:38 AM
It said Blu-ray so it has to be posted per the Kosty Positive Blu-ray Requirement.

mikemorel
06-17-2012, 10:58 AM
DVD Playback a Predicament in Tablets Era, Samsung Says (http://consumerelectronicsdaily.com/Content/Samsung-calls-DVD-playback-a-predicament-in-tablets-era.aspx)

Samsung Semiconductor took a PR swing to New York recently, promoting a late-April software upgrade for its Optical Smart Hub SE-208B that it hopes provides a solution to negative feedback the DVD writer/streamer got since introduction earlier this year. Samsung is banking on the Smart Hub and the recently launched SE-218BB external DVD drive to give its optical disc business relevance in the tablet and Ultrabook worlds at a time when optical drives face a dramatically reduced role in the upcoming Windows 8 era.

But the Smart Hub optical drive is still CD/DVD only, Choi said, citing "royalty issues" on Blu-ray hardware and software. Samsung is "still thinking about" Blu-ray, he said, "but not in the near future."

Blu-ray royalties are still challenging, according to Samsung, a blu-ray founder and "One-Blue" (http://www.one-blue.com/) member.

piperurhy
06-18-2012, 01:23 AM
Two years old, if it's not a fake.

Yeah,that's right. http://www.ckyo.info

Kosty
06-18-2012, 05:51 PM
CNN

Video here (http://mashable.com/2012/06/16/xbox-720/)



Leaked documents reveal 'xbox 720' plans


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120618040301-microsoft-xbox-720-gaming-system-story-top.jpg

by joann pan, mashable
updated 12:16 pm edt, mon june 18, 2012 | filed under: Gaming and gadgets

a leaked 56-page document from microsoft, dating back to mid-2010, reveals plans for an "xbox 720."

story highlights

a leaked 56-page document from microsoft reveals plans for an "xbox 720" system

the document, which dates back to mid-2010, has been removed since its discovery

notable features include xbox smartglass, blu-ray support and cloud-based gaming

microsoft's goal is to sell 100 million units at around $299 each in 2013

(mashable) -- a 56-page document from microsoft, dating back to mid-2010, reveals company plans for an "xbox 720" gaming console. The recently leaked document has been removed since its discovery.

Notable features include xbox smartglass, blu-ray support, 3-d glasses, cloud-based gaming and an improved kinect system. If the xbox 720 described in the document is true, microsoft's next-generation entertainment console could change the future of gaming.

The console will be loaded with a 1080p output with full 3d support, according to the verge. The image above shows what the follow-up to the xbox 360 might look like.

The sleek black xbox 720 portrayed in the documents will seemingly be the only entertainment device you'll need. Microsoft's goal is to sell 100 million units at around $299 each in 2013. New kinect 2 hardware will incorporate better voice recognition, hardware processing and stereo imaging.

The documents also showcase plans for the "fortaleza" kinect glasses — which will be sold separately. The glasses will be able to connect to wi-fi and incorporate augmented reality into gaming. It's marked for a 2014 debut.
see the original article on mashable.com. (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech/gaming-gadgets/leaked-documents-reveal-xbox-plans/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5)

mikemorel
06-19-2012, 03:14 AM
These "XBox Surface" documents have some merit, since MS unveiled the Surface tablet hours later.

1st document does not mention optical disc...2nd, older, "provisionary" document - optical media formats: "Optical discs utilized for movies will not be supported".

http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/06/Xbox-Surface-Specs_thumb.jpg

http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/06/Xbox-Surface-Specs2.jpg

http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/18/xbox-surface-specifications-of-a-new-tablet-device-leaked/

mikemorel
10-02-2012, 06:39 PM
These "XBox Surface" documents have some merit, since MS unveiled the Surface tablet hours later.

1st document does not mention optical disc...2nd, older, "provisionary" document - optical media formats: "Optical discs utilized for movies will not be supported".

http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/06/Xbox-Surface-Specs_thumb.jpg

http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/06/Xbox-Surface-Specs2.jpg

http://www.liveside.net/2012/06/18/xbox-surface-specifications-of-a-new-tablet-device-leaked/More rumor lends credence to an XBox "Surface" brand:

With Windows Phone still failing to gain traction, Microsoft plans to launch its own smartphone (http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/02/microsoft-surface-phone-release-date-windows-phone-8/)

Our source declined to provide any details beyond the fact that the handset is in the late stages of development and will launch in the coming months. As we continued to dig for more details, China Times on Monday published a report stating that Microsoft’s smartphone will launch under the “Surface” brand — which is quite fitting, of course — and it will become available in the first half of 2013.Microsoft branded "surface" tablet...Microsoft branded "surface" phone? If so, then could these be the XBox Surface specs (which came out one day before the public knew there was a brand from Microsoft called "surface")?

mikemorel
10-23-2012, 06:50 PM
Mary Jo Foley:

Will there ever be a Microsoft Surface Mini?

Summary: Will Microsoft enter the 7-inch tablet space with an Xbox Surface? That's my guess how Redmond will compete in this segment.

With Apple launching a 7.9-inch iPad and Amazon proclaiming the similarly-sized Kindle Fire HD its fastest selling product ever, Microsoft watchers and users are no doubt wondering whether there might be a 7-inch Windows 8 or Windows RT tablet in the works.

I've asked Microsoft officials about this a few times and received the expected no comments.

If you think through Microsoft's official positions -- 1. that tablets are PCs and 2l that the coming Windows 8 and Windows RT tablets are made for both creation and consumption -- I think you'd probably come to the conclusion that there won't be a 7-inch Windows 8 or Windows RT tablet coming any time soon.

Think about it. Microsoft is touting the availability of Office apps like Excel on Windows 8 and Windows RT tablets as a selling point for these devices. Would using Excel on a 7-inch tablet be a good user experience? It would be better than using it on a phone, no doubt. But optimal? Probably not.

I don't know whether any of Microsoft's OEM partners will take a chance on 7-inch Windows form factor devices. I'm not entirely clear if Microsoft's OEM licensing rules would even allow this. (Is there a minimum size restriction on devices upon which an OEM can preload Windows? I do not know.)

All that said, I could see at least one scenario where Microsoft itself might offer a mini-WinPad.

Anyone remember the rumors about an Xbox Surface that emerged just ahead of the debut of Microsoft's Surface tablets? I'm starting to wonder if they weren't so far-fetched, after all.

Leaks from June 2012 indicated that the Xbox Surface would be a companion device tethered to Microsoft's Xbox. We know about SmartGlass, a k a the Windows Live Companion 2.0 application that Microsoft introduced earlier this year and just rolled out this week. But that's just the software component. I can't help but wonder whether there's an Xbox Surface that is the hardware piece of SmartGlass.

(This idea isn't completely unfounded or original. Remember: GeekWire's Todd Bishop discovered earlier this year that the Microsoft's SmartGlass trademark applied to both software and hardware.)

Surface is, indeed, a name for more than just the two PC/tablet devices that Microsoft unveiled in Los Angeles this past summer and that will be generally available as of October 26. We know that Surface refers a bigger brand of Microsoft-designed and -branded hardware products. There will be a Surface family.

Perhaps we've all been barking up the wrong tree, thinking the next Surface device from Microsoft would be a Microsoft-designed and -branded Surface Windows Phone. Maybe it's an entertainment-consumption-focused Xbox Surface that will be the next sibling in the Microsoft Surface family. And maybe that's the main (or at least the more immediate) reason Microsoft is locking down its Xbox campus.

This is all conjecture on my part, spurred by a recent tip about an Xbox Surface. What do you think? Could this be how Microsoft dips its toe in the 7-inch waters?

Update: One last tidbit. During a recent "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit, the Microsoft Surface team, when asked whether there'd be a 7-inch Surface at some point, didn't say no. They said "Keep the suggestions coming." Make of that non-answering answer what you will....


http://www.zdnet.com/will-there-ever-be-a-microsoft-surface-mini-7000006246/

bruceames
10-24-2012, 09:15 AM
Is there anything definitive on whether the 720 will be enabled for Blu-ray movie playback?

chipvideo
10-27-2012, 01:48 PM
Its inevitable that msft will have Blu-ray playback. Any way to get a footprint into the living room. Now that windows 8 is out they can do xbox running windows 8 since I see them putting windows 8 into everything. Cant wait for my HTC 8X to arrive on Monday. My iphone shattered when I dropped it and I was due to upgrade anyway. Perfect timing!!!

mikemorel
11-06-2012, 02:54 PM
Xbox Surface: Microsoft's 7-inch gaming tablet (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch)

Microsoft's secret project for a mini Xbox

Microsoft is building its own 7-inch gaming tablet. Multiple sources familiar with plans within Redmond have confirmed to The Verge that initial hardware planning for an Xbox Surface is underway. Specifications for an Xbox Surface 7-inch tablet computing device leaked back in June ahead of Microsoft's Surface RT and Surface Pro announcement. We're told that the initial specs were accurate and that the final implementation is being worked on.

The Xbox Surface will likely include a custom ARM processor and high-bandwidth RAM designed specifically for gaming tasks. We're told these specifications could be altered to accommodate an unannounced Intel SoC and that the Xbox Surface is being developed independent of specific hardware architecture. Microsoft's Xbox Surface won't run a full version of Windows, rather this 7-inch tablet will run a custom Windows kernel. Messaging and other tablet functions may be supported, but the focus is on gaming.

Secret hardware, secret manufacturing

Microsoft has developed a secret hardware production process for its Surface tablets that is separated from partners that traditionally manufacturer the company's Xbox console. We're told that the Xbox Surface will likely be manufactured in the same factory, but that any future "Xbox 720" console will be manufactured in mass quantities by companies like Pegatron or Foxconn.

We've learned that part of the Xbox Surface is being developed at Microsoft's offices in Silicon Valley. The software giant recently locked down several Xbox-related buildings, limiting employee access to the company's Interactive Entertainment Business division. The lock down is likely related to Microsoft's increased testing of the tablet, providing a way for other parts of the Xbox team to build games and software for the device. Providing the project doesn't get killed in favor of a full 7-inch Windows tablet, in the same way Microsoft axed Courier, expect to see the Xbox Surface debut ahead of Microsoft's future Xbox console.

We asked Microsoft for a comment on an 7-inch Xbox tablet, a company spokesperson says the firm does not comment on rumors or speculation.So, according to the Verge, the initial specs I posted in June are accurate.

The specs say that the console unit will include a blu-ray drive, but will not support blu-ray movie playback.

chipvideo
11-07-2012, 01:45 AM
Xbox Surface: Microsoft's 7-inch gaming tablet (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch)

So, according to the Verge, the initial specs I posted in June are accurate.

The specs say that the console unit will include a blu-ray drive, but will not support blu-ray movie playback.

Ok, so this 7 inch gaming tablet I have one question. How powerful is it compared to say the xbox 360? Will the grafix be good enough to warrant a day one buy?

mikemorel
11-07-2012, 03:40 AM
Ok, so this 7 inch gaming tablet I have one question. How powerful is it compared to say the xbox 360? Will the grafix be good enough to warrant a day one buy?The tablets are the second screen/controllers (though they could be used to play casual standalone games or movies).

The console box is hooked to the TV and still runs the game and provides the entertainment, like present consoles.

morriscroy
11-07-2012, 07:39 AM
The specs say that the console unit will include a blu-ray drive, but will not support blu-ray movie playback.

Interesting.

Wonder how much Microsoft will save per unit, from not having to pay for many of the bluray royalties related to movie playback.

bruceames
11-07-2012, 08:15 AM
The specs say that the console unit will include a blu-ray drive, but will not support blu-ray movie playback.

That's what makes the most sense to me. Why would they want to encourage Blu-ray playback when they make money on downloads? Apple is the same way, however the Blu-ray drive is a necessary evil because the newer games need more space and the worldwide bandwidth infrastructure is not ready for a download-only console.

I wonder if DVD playback will be enabled? (probably not).

morriscroy
11-07-2012, 08:21 AM
That's what makes the most sense to me. Why would they want to encourage Blu-ray playback when they make money on downloads?

Wonder how Microsoft negotiated this with the bluray patent holders.

If I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft threatened to use the hd-dvd technology for non-movie uses (ie. as a bargaining chip), to get the bluray patent holders come to an agreement they could live with. Either the bluray patent holders could get some of the royalty money, or it all goes to the hd-dvd patent holders.

morriscroy
11-07-2012, 08:34 AM
I wonder if DVD playback will be enabled? (probably not).

Hard to say. It would probably depend on how the optical drives are designed, and whether M$ is willing to pay for the (now low) dvd royalties.

For the xbox360, the video game discs were actually almost identical to dvd movie or dvd-rom disks, except the data was encoded slightly differently. An ordinary dvd-rom or dvd-video player would get a read error on such xbox360 discs. But there's several ways to extract the data from such xbox360 discs, using an ordinary computer dvd-rom drive. (Over the years some hackers were able to figure out how to copy xbox360 discs, as well as other video game consoles' optical discs which resembled a dvd, cd-rom, or bluray subsystem).

morriscroy
11-07-2012, 09:07 AM
Allegedly, the Xbox360 used a slightly modified dvd-rom drive made by LG. The firmware would have definitely been modified from LG's generic dvd-rom drives, such that they could read the Xbox video game disks.

mikemorel
11-07-2012, 12:15 PM
That's what makes the most sense to me. Why would they want to encourage Blu-ray playback when they make money on downloads?They also would want to minimize license fees on every unit sold. Most people who will want a blu-ray player in 2013-2018 will already own one or two at $70 each. Why increase the cost for a seldom used feature? Another reason not to enable blu-ray playback is BD-J support headaches and licensing fees.

Apple is the same way, however the Blu-ray drive is a necessary evil because the newer games need more space and the worldwide bandwidth infrastructure is not ready for a download-only console.MS may be including the OD drive for backwards compatibility with XBox 360 disc based games. It is possible that they could introduce a SKU without the drive for those with fast internet and no desire for backwards compatibility.

I wonder if DVD playback will be enabled? (probably not).The specs above say "optical discs sutilized for movies will not be supported". Given that MS removed DVD playback out of Windows 8 (they made it available at an extra cost), leads me to believe they would do the same in next gen XBox.

morriscroy
11-07-2012, 12:25 PM
The specs above say "optical discs sutilized for movies will not be supported". Given that MS removed DVD playback out of Windows 8 (they made it available at an extra cost), leads me to believe they would do the same in next gen XBox.

In the case of Windows 8, most likely M$ knew very well that the hardcore folks into ripping and other related stuff, already know what to do. Don't have to cater to that crowd.

No point in paying additional dvd licensing fees, for people who aren't going to use the dvd drive.

morriscroy
11-09-2012, 05:27 PM
(On a tangent).

Article asserts console video game business isn't doing so hot. (Title may be somewhat exaggerated).

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/tech/gaming-gadgets/console-gaming-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

chipvideo
11-10-2012, 02:44 AM
(On a tangent).

Article asserts console video game business isn't doing so hot. (Title may be somewhat exaggerated).

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/tech/gaming-gadgets/console-gaming-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

That's because its at the end of its lifecycle. The 360 is going on year 8. That's too long for a console liefecycle.

morriscroy
11-10-2012, 07:51 AM
That's because its at the end of its lifecycle. The 360 is going on year 8. That's too long for a console liefecycle.

For a video game console, I would agree.

Interesting that more than a year ago, Microsoft boasted (allegedly semi-officially):


"While people are still playing a ton of video games, 40 percent of all Xbox activity now is non-game. Put another way, we’re seeing an average of 30 hours of video consumption per month per Xbox, a number that is growing fast. And people are expecting more – more options, more games, more videos, more entertainment."


http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2011/05/31/xbox-now-that-s-entertainment.aspx

bruceames
11-10-2012, 08:54 AM
That's because its at the end of its lifecycle. The 360 is going on year 8. That's too long for a console liefecycle.

I was going to say the same thing. Consoles sales especially are down because everyone is waiting for the next gen consoles coming out next year. Same goes for software, people are going to want to cut back on buying software for a console that going to be replaced in a year. They'll do this by buying only the must-haves and playing games they already bought but haven't finished.

At the same time though, smartphones are time stealers and gaming on them will be increasing as well, so it's possible the console gaming industry will never regain all the glory it once had...unless an even greater number of people become hard core gamers. The hard cores are not going to want to mess around with smartphone games that much, only when they're not at home.

bruceames
11-10-2012, 08:58 AM
40 percent of all Xbox activity now is non-game. Put another way, we’re seeing an average of 30 hours of video consumption per month per Xbox, a number that is growing fast.

I'd really like to know what the percentage is for streaming-enabled Blu-ray players (which these days nearly all Blu-ray players sold have that capability). What percentage is used for streaming versus OD? By the same token, what percentage is used for DVD vs. BD?

morriscroy
11-10-2012, 09:08 AM
I'd really like to know what the percentage is for streaming-enabled Blu-ray players (which these days nearly all Blu-ray players sold have that capability). What percentage is used for streaming versus OD? By the same token, what percentage is used for DVD vs. BD?

Good point.

One possible way of tracking optical disk usage by the studios, could be how often stuff like BD-Live is accessed via bluray movies discs. Though something like this would only track discs that use bd-live, and/or whether somebody actually accesses bd-live to begin with. This method would obviously underestimate optical disk usage.

For non bd-live bluray movies and dvds, there's probably no easy electronic way of tracking optical disk usage.

bruceames
11-10-2012, 09:17 AM
Good point.

One possible way of tracking optical disk usage by the studios, could be how often stuff like BD-Live is accessed via bluray movies discs. Though something like this would only track discs that use bd-live, and/or whether somebody actually accesses bd-live to begin with. This method would obviously underestimate optical disk usage.

For non bd-live bluray movies and dvds, there's probably no easy electronic way of tracking optical disk usage.

One of the luxuries of playing movies on OD is the lack of tracking. I sure don't want studios eyes to be prying into my living room every time I put in a disc. Anyway, I don't think that BD-live stuff is accessed nearly enough for tracking purposes.

morriscroy
11-10-2012, 09:27 AM
More generally, systems which don't "call home" and/or don't "receive new information" from a "mothership" (whether infrequently or never in both cases), seem to be a lot harder to track electronically.

What's left is offline non-electronic or other indirect means, to attempt to collect optical disc vs. non-optical disk usage statistics. One such method is how tv Nielsen ratings are collected offline.

morriscroy
11-10-2012, 02:22 PM
In the case of the upcoming Xbox720, one question is how many non-hardcore gamers (and/or non-gamers) will upgrade, who have been using their Xbox360 consoles primarily for non-gaming purposes (ie. streaming, etc ...).

Initially I suspect the biggest barrier to buying an Xbox720 primarily for streaming purposes, is whether it will be any better or less expensive than cable tv service or just sticking with the old Xbox360. One would need higher internet bandwidth for native 1080p resolution streaming. (My present internet connection is kinda crappy for even streaming hd 720p content. It freezes frequently and the 1280x720 resolution video is kinda "choppy").

morriscroy
11-10-2012, 02:31 PM
On the other side of the coin, if a lot of people are buying Xbox720 or PS4 consoles for streaming native 1080p content, then it could in principle encourage the internet providers and other infrastructure companies to get off their asses and upgrade their networks to handle the higher bandwidth (and offer higher bandwidth accounts).