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Why 3D TV Went From CES Darling to Consumer Reject

GizmoDVD
01-07-2012, 11:44 AM
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/01/state-of-3-d-technology/

3D television was heralded as the breakthrough technology of the 2010 Consumer Electronics Show. Hot on the heels of James Cameron’s eye-opening Avatar, 3D HDTVs were everywhere on the show floor.

One year later, at CES 2011, 3D was back again — this time iterating. We saw bigger 3D HDTVs, 3D displays that didn’t require special glasses, and camcorders that captured 3D content.

But where is 3D now? It’s certainly not showing up big on our CES 2012 radar, and now looks like over-hyped technology in hindsight — especially to those of us who always thought 3D’s natural home was in the movie theater, not the living room.

Indeed, a variety of obstacles — high prices, a lack of 3D content, and uncomfortable viewing experiences — have kept 3D TV adoption in the single digits nationwide. Manufacturers and content providers are working to address these issues, but one has to wonder if 3D was nothing but a flash in the CES pan — a technology story rather than anything consumers actually wanted.

In 2010, consumers purchased a paltry 1.1 million 3D TV units, and although sales have grown in the two years since, the widespread 3D fervor that TV manufacturers were anticipating never took root.

According to a January Display Search report, just more than 23 million 3D TVs were shipped in 2011 worldwide, with only 3.6 million shipped in the U.S.

Display Search analyst Paul Gagnon says that U.S. household penetration for 3D TVs is at about 3 percent. “To be fair, 3D TVs have only been available for sale in a significant way for about 18 months, so that’s why the penetration is so low,” Gagnon says. “That said, it’s still lower than what many in the industry had hoped for.”

Markets like China and western Europe are seeing far more enthusiasm for 3D TV than in North America, but worldwide adoption is still likely less than 2 percent.

So what’s to blame?

The content, for one.

“We have disappointed our audience multiple times now, and because of that I think there is genuine distrust — whereas a year and a half ago, there was genuine excitement, enthusiasm and reward for the first group of 3D films that actually delivered a quality experience,” Dreamworks animation chief Jeffrey Katzenberg said in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter.

After Avatar, a string of unsuccessful, rushed-to-market 3D flicks — we’re looking at you, Clash of the Titans — zoomed to theaters hoping to cash in on the craze. Moviegoers were left with a bad taste in their mouths (and oftentimes headaches, too, as 3D viewing can cause eyestrain). Since then, better-quality 3D films like Tron: Legacy, and, more recently, Tin Tin and Hugo, have tried to improve 3D’s image. Meanwhile, small-screen content providers have branched out to provide live and on-demand 3D offerings.

Currently, there are 55 3D channels worldwide, including ESPN 3-D. Another 35 channels offer 3D content on-demand.

If content and a disillusioned audience are the biggest problem, that’s bad news for manufacturers: They have zero control over the content side of the equation.

To this end, 3D TV manufacturers are doing whatever they can to make the 3D viewing experience as pleasing and trouble-free as possible. This includes doing away with uncomfortable, unattractive 3D glasses, which have also been cited in studies as barriers to consumer adoption. LG, for one, has announced it’s making 3D glasses that are lighter and more stylish.

But even handsome 3D specs can’t mitigate the headaches and fatigue suffered by some viewers of 3D content, or the high prices of 3D TVs.

So, yes, 3D TVs are expensive. And they can cause headaches. And they aren’t supported by a lot of quality content. All of which begs the question: Who’s buying these things at all?

The existing sales, however paltry, can be attributed to consumer desire to purchase high-end TVs. Consumers don’t really want 3D specifically, but if they want that priciest, top-of-the-line unit, they’ll receive 3D capability whether they like it or not. “Sometimes consumers are even unaware [that they're getting a 3D set] at the time of purchase,” Futuresource Consulting’s Fiona Hoy said.

Whatever the reason for purchase, the most recent studies indicate consumers are slowly warming up to 3D. An October report from the Digital Entertainment Group found that the majority of 3D TV owners say the experience is positive: 88 percent of those surveyed rated 3D picture quality positively, and 85 percent of those 3D TV owners prefer to watch more than half of their programming in 3D.

As prices come down, more content becomes available, and 3D glasses improve (or are replaced by glasses-free technology), 3D TV adoption will only increase. Whether we reach the near 50 percent adoption rates that have been projected for 2014 and 2015 is yet to be seen. But whether you like it or not, 3D does not appear to be in its death throes just yet.

Yes, we’ll see new 3D displays and accessories at CES next week, but you can rest assured the manufacturers’ over-reaching hype campaigns are over.

GizmoDVD
01-07-2012, 11:46 AM
October 2010 I paid something like $1,200 for my (open box!) 46" Samsung (Active) 3D TV with 2 glasses and 1 3D Movie.

November 2011 I paid $800 for my 47" LG (Passive) 3D TV with 10 (!) pairs of glasses.

Prices dropped like a rock, and 3D appears to just be a 'buzz' word now like 240hz etc. Shame since we are getting more 3D Content now (still not as much as I would have liked, and many being retailer/bundle exclusives).

But is 3D really...gone?

bruceames
01-07-2012, 11:53 AM
I think 3D is here to stay, it's just taking longer than some expected for adoption. The key is that the vast majority of owners enjoy watching 3D content.

It took a while for color TVs and HDTVs to gain widespread adoption as well. Why should 3DTV be any different?

The buzz isn't the same at CES simply because it's not new tech, not because it's dying.

Cygnus
01-07-2012, 11:58 AM
3D is a gimmick..glad that most consumers rejected it.

PSound
01-07-2012, 11:59 AM
3D is already at commodity prices.

That means that it will continue to expand its footprint, just like BD hardware (people buy 3D TVs because they need a display device just like people buy BD players because it plays content, not because it plays Blu-ray discs).


Games will be the killer app. My guess is both Sony and Microsoft will have new consoles that support 3D and some sort of motion control. Those technologies together will change the way we interact with the display devices.

Active entertainment and control will make 3D a must have. Passive entertainment will later benefit from that shift.

bruceames
01-07-2012, 12:05 PM
3D is a gimmick..glad that most consumers rejected it.

They rejected color TVs when they came out too. They were too expensive. How did that work out?

It's only a matter of time when 3D will be built into nearly every (larger size) HDTV sold.

Cygnus
01-07-2012, 12:13 PM
They rejected color TVs when they came out too. They were too expensive. How did that work out?

Yes like mini disc and DCC were rejected by consumers and became the standard :error;)

It's only a matter of time when 3D will be built into nearly every (larger size) HDTV sold.

Just never used. :hithere: Sure my panny is 3D but I have never used it. I am not wearing dorky glasses to watch TV. Now if dorky glasses are not required, then maybe I'd be more interested in it.

bruceames
01-07-2012, 12:37 PM
Just never used. :hithere: Sure my panny is 3D but I have never used it. I am not wearing dorky glasses to watch TV. Now if dorky glasses are not required, then maybe I'd be more interested in it.

Which Panny do you have? I'd like to get the VT30.

It's hard to say how many are using it vs. how many are not, but what we do know is that most who use it seem to like it.

Also sales of 3D movies are rising, and unlike it 2010 there is starting to be a decent amount of 3D content available, with it coming out at an accelerated pace. Certainly no sign of it going away anytime soon.

Lee Stewart
01-07-2012, 12:44 PM
The launch of 3DTV was never looked at like all the other launches of TV formats (B&W, Color and HDTV). They were acknowledged marathons - years to get accepted and acclimated. 3DTV on the other hand has been treated as a sprint - a 100 yd dash. Greed was placed before promoting adoption and still is.

3DTV = a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. :(

GizmoDVD
01-07-2012, 01:11 PM
The launch of 3DTV was never looked at like all the other launches of TV formats (B&W, Color and HDTV). They were acknowledged marathons - years to get accepted and acclimated. 3DTV on the other hand has been treated as a sprint - a 100 yd dash. Greed was placed before promoting adoption and still is.

3DTV = a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. :(

But 3D has already been a fad twice - 50's and 80's. And this generation is already showing the same thing. I know, I know, your gonna show me a list of movies that studios are going to do in 3D all the way till 2013. That does not mean they will come out in 3D if there is no money to be made. It just seems more and more like a fad (again).

Until there is affordable glasses-less 3D TV, it's not going to do much. People just don't want to wear glasses when watching a movie. At least the Passive 3D Glasses are not as bad as Active.

RBTO
01-07-2012, 02:21 PM
A lot of folks are under the impression that a 3D receiver is "BAD" and when shopping, they are rejecting 3D capable sets. Nevermind the fact that most 3D sets will do 2D just as well as 2D sets (and in most cases even better), and 3D is totally optional. I mean, you can still use a color television to watch a black&white program, yes???

Some of this is due to the bad press 3D is receiving, part of which is deserved, and much of which is not (take this thread for example which places a lot of negative emphasis on 3D).

What does need a good hard look is 3D content. Little is available (almost no over-the-air content), and what's out there on BluRay is priced in the stratosphere for most disk buyers. That's what will kill home 3D if anything does.

I have a 3D capable system, and my next big screen purchase would most certainly be 3D capable, but my 3D disk collection is very conservative due to the pricing the disk industry has settled on. I won't pay over $20 for a 3D disk unless it's a really special one, and the three, four, and five disk packs mean nothing to me. I don't want extra disks which only drive the pricing higher. This latter paragraph is, of course, my own thinking, but I believe the average person who wants to get a feature for their kids' library is certainly going to think twice before paying the premium (not to mention the regular BluRay premium that came with those disks) for a 3D disk, 3D display or not.

If the media doesn't take off, 3D won't either. We need a good market "adjustment" that would put 3D media back into the affordable category, and then 3D would thrive (again, my opinion).

I do believe 3D is here to stay, and it's a different story entirely, than the 1950s, because of the development of the technology which will continue to evolve with introduction of passive and, eventually, glassless 3D. It's just the speed of adoption that will be stifled by overly greedy media marketing.

WJBertrand
01-07-2012, 03:23 PM
They rejected color TVs when they came out too. They were too expensive. How did that work out?

It's only a matter of time when 3D will be built into nearly every (larger size) HDTV sold.

I dunno. I'm old enough to remember the first color TVs and in fact my family was the first on our block to have one. My dad built one from a Heathkit kit. Although the prices were steep (hence the Heathkit) and that certainly slowed adoption, I don't think consumers ever rejected the technology. Everyone I knew that didn't have one wanted a color TV. The neighbors used to come to our house to watch Disney's Wonderful World of Color on Sunday evenings.

I think 3D is different, I hear a lot of people who specifically don't want it (myself included), never heard that when color TV was new.

Lee Stewart
01-08-2012, 03:38 AM
I dunno. I'm old enough to remember the first color TVs and in fact my family was the first on our block to have one. My dad built one from a Heathkit kit. Although the prices were steep (hence the Heathkit) and that certainly slowed adoption, I don't think consumers ever rejected the technology. Everyone I knew that didn't have one wanted a color TV. The neighbors used to come to our house to watch Disney's Wonderful World of Color on Sunday evenings.

I think 3D is different, I hear a lot of people who specifically don't want it (myself included), never heard that when color TV was new.

Brighter Prospects For Color TV - Vol. 9, No. 7, APRIL, 1961

http://www.jstor.org/pss/40718388

HD Goofnut
01-08-2012, 10:49 AM
3D is a gimmick..glad that most consumers rejected it.

This.

bruceames
01-08-2012, 10:24 PM
I dunno. I'm old enough to remember the first color TVs and in fact my family was the first on our block to have one. My dad built one from a Heathkit kit. Although the prices were steep (hence the Heathkit) and that certainly slowed adoption, I don't think consumers ever rejected the technology. Everyone I knew that didn't have one wanted a color TV. The neighbors used to come to our house to watch Disney's Wonderful World of Color on Sunday evenings.

I think 3D is different, I hear a lot of people who specifically don't want it (myself included), never heard that when color TV was new.


Good point, very few people didn't want color TV. I think the market will always be semi-niche with 3DTV, but I have noticed that almost everyone who tries it out, likes it. I think a decent percentage of those who say they don't want it, or don't want to wear the glasses, probably would change their tune once they tried it out at home.

Lee Stewart
01-09-2012, 04:14 AM
Look at all the progress we have made . . .

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http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1662/imaxkate.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/imaxkate.jpg/)

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Lee Stewart
01-09-2012, 04:20 AM
Sensio banks on 3D for Web-connected TVs

The 3DGO! service is skeded to roll out as an app for web-connected TVs by end of March. At launch it is to have about 60 movie titles, including independently produced Imax 3D pics and some studio fare. Sensio aims to have over 100 titles by year's end, including studio catalog titles, recorded concerts, sports and other events.

Plainview, New York-based Internet TV company NeuLion is partnering with Sensio on the venture. Sensio has built its business as a behind-the-scenes tech provider specializing in delivering 3D content.

Sensio claims its lossless "hi-fi" compression will deliver full HD 3D (1080p on both eyes) on a broadband connection of only 2 Mbps, average for an American home, and that a two-hour movie would be about 2 Gb, so not to run afoul of new monthly caps on data plans.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118048129.html?cmpid=RSS|News|LatestNews

Lee Stewart
01-09-2012, 04:49 AM
NPD: Xmas 3DTV Unit Sales Skyrocket 100%

Unit sales of 3DTVs increased more than 100% during the five-week winter retail holiday period ending Dec. 24, according to new data from The NPD Group. While 3D movies remain a mainstay at the box office, 3D consumption in the home has been sluggish due in part to premium prices on 3DTVs, limited content availability and requisite eyewear, among other issues.

That said, 3DTVs accounted for one in five dollars spent on TVs during the holidays – underscored by the fact that sales of big screen TVs, 50 inches or bigger, increased more than 32%. One in six flat panel TVs sold were above 50 inches, with screen size considered a prerequisite for 3D viewing

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3d/npd-xmas-3dtv-unit-sales-skyrocket-100-26053

TowerGrove
01-10-2012, 08:46 AM
According to Home Media Magazine they are indicating that 3DTV sales were up over 100% during the time around Christmas holidays.

NPD: Christmas 3DTV Unit Sales Skyrocket 100%

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3d/npd-christmas-3dtv-unit-sales-skyrocket-100-26053

Edit: Sorry Lee jumped the gun! You already posted.

GizmoDVD
01-10-2012, 09:16 AM
According to Home Media Magazine they are indicating that 3DTV sales were up over 100% during the time around Christmas holidays.

NPD: Christmas 3DTV Unit Sales Skyrocket 100%

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3d/npd-christmas-3dtv-unit-sales-skyrocket-100-26053

Edit: Sorry Lee jumped the gun! You already posted.

Since a good amount of low budget TVs now include 3D...that's not saying much. Are they using it for 3D?

HD Goofnut
01-10-2012, 09:28 AM
Since a good amount of low budget TVs now include 3D...that's not saying much. Are they using it for 3D?

No. 3D was dead before it left the gate.

GizmoDVD
01-10-2012, 09:36 AM
No. 3D was dead before it left the gate.

They certainly can be argued. I enjoy 3D content but it's pretty clear to me it'll never take off.

HD Goofnut
01-10-2012, 09:57 AM
They certainly can be argued. I enjoy 3D content but it's pretty clear to me it'll never take off.

I don't personally know anyone using their 3DTVs for 3D BD content. They don't want to have to buy a new player, receiver, and pay $30-40 for each 3D BD.

Lee Stewart
01-10-2012, 12:12 PM
Since a good amount of low budget TVs now include 3D...that's not saying much. Are they using it for 3D?

Can you prove that every HDTV has HD service?

Can you prove that every PS3 is used to play BDs?

Can you prove that every BD player is used to play BDs?

TowerGrove
01-10-2012, 09:39 PM
At CES this year 3D is again front and center. The crowds around the 3D displays which are bigger this year IMO are also large. I was really pleased with the LG, Pansonic and Toshibia booths this year. I also checked out the holographic 3DTV demo. 3D is hardly dead and the market is going full steam ahead.

Unfortunately I'm not feeling well so my CES follies will be cut short. :(

GizmoDVD
01-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Can you prove that every HDTV has HD service?

Can you prove that every PS3 is used to play BDs?

Can you prove that every BD player is used to play BDs?

No, no one can. What's your point? There is little 3D Content to own on disc, and many studios are still skipping releases and/or making them "exclusive" some way or another. Warner didn't even bother with a wide release for the last 2 Harry Potter films in 3D, which I now believe are discontinued ("in the vault").

I have no idea how well 3D Games are doing. I know I have a few that are, I just have no interest playing them in 3D.

Lee Stewart
01-10-2012, 11:20 PM
No, no one can. What's your point? There is little 3D Content to own on disc, and many studios are still skipping releases and/or making them "exclusive" some way or another. Warner didn't even bother with a wide release for the last 2 Harry Potter films in 3D, which I now believe are discontinued ("in the vault").

Quote a number of 3D BD releases now available with more comming:

http://www.highdefforum.com/3d-movies-content-reviews/131037-3d-blu-ray-release-schedule.html

There hasn't been a CEM exclusive announced in months. The only exclusives have been Best Buy exclusives. The only remaining CEM exclusives are:

Avatar
Shrek 1, 2 & 3

I have no idea how well 3D Games are doing. I know I have a few that are, I just have no interest playing them in 3D.

I am not a gamer. No interest.

HD Goofnut
01-11-2012, 08:20 AM
Quote a number of 3D BD releases now available with more comming:

http://www.highdefforum.com/3d-movies-content-reviews/131037-3d-blu-ray-release-schedule.html

There hasn't been a CEM exclusive announced in months. The only exclusives have been Best Buy exclusives. The only remaining CEM exclusives are:

Avatar
Shrek 1, 2 & 3



I am not a gamer. No interest.

As I have said before, if you love IMAX documentaries and animation the present 3D model is worth the investment. Otherwise it's a waste of money since most of the live action 3D titles are either poor films or are those God-awful 2D to 3D conversions. Documentaries, animations, and popcorn action flicks CANNOT sustain a 3D format for the long haul.

Lee Stewart
01-11-2012, 01:13 PM
As I have said before, if you love IMAX documentaries and animation the present 3D model is worth the investment. Otherwise it's a waste of money since most of the live action 3D titles are either poor films or are those God-awful 2D to 3D conversions. Documentaries, animations, and popcorn action flicks CANNOT sustain a 3D format for the long haul.

And yet sales of 3D BDs for 2011 were 6X greater then those of 2010.

HD Goofnut
01-11-2012, 02:35 PM
And yet sales of 3D BDs for 2011 were 6X greater then those of 2010.

So instead of selling 100 3D BDs they sold 600.:rolleyes:

Lee Stewart
01-11-2012, 02:37 PM
So instead of selling 100 3D BDs they sold 600.:rolleyes:

Actually, they sold 5.7M. :hithere:

HD Goofnut
01-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Actually, they sold 5.7M. :hithere:

It would be half of that or even less if they didn't include 2D versions in with them.

Lee Stewart
01-11-2012, 03:31 PM
It would be half of that or even less if they didn't include 2D versions in with them.

LOL - you could say the same thing about BD sales and the inclusion of a DVD in the ever popular Combo pack.

HD Goofnut
01-11-2012, 03:49 PM
LOL - you could say the same thing about BD sales and the inclusion of a DVD in the ever popular Combo pack.

You could, but it would be pointless because it would not change the numbers that much for 2D BD releases whereas not including a 2D BD with 3D BDs would change the numbers drastically.

Lee Stewart
01-11-2012, 04:15 PM
You could, but it would be pointless because it would not change the numbers that much for 2D BD releases whereas not including a 2D BD with 3D BDs would change the numbers drastically.

And you know this how?

HD Goofnut
01-11-2012, 04:17 PM
And you know this how?

You aren't reading the articles that say 3D BD would be completely dead without 2D BDs being thrown in in the same SKU?

leevitalone
01-11-2012, 04:50 PM
They certainly can be argued. I enjoy 3D content but it's pretty clear to me it'll never take off.

It's nice in theaters but I have seen it and was disapointed.

Lee Stewart
01-11-2012, 05:00 PM
You aren't reading the articles that say 3D BD would be completely dead without 2D BDs being thrown in in the same SKU?

Can you provide some links please

dsskid
01-13-2012, 02:06 PM
It would be interesting to know the % of 3D disc sales that were Disney. In 2011, Disney often included a $5 - $10 coupon on their 3D combo discs that made the 3D combo less expensive than the 2D discs. I know that I purchased 3D combos even though I don't own a 3D display because it was cheaper.

HD Goofnut
01-13-2012, 03:29 PM
It would be interesting to know the % of 3D disc sales that were Disney. In 2011, Disney often included a $5 - $10 coupon on their 3D combo discs that made the 3D combo less expensive than the 2D discs. I know that I purchased 3D combos even though I don't own a 3D display because it was cheaper.

Yeah, this happened when I bought A Christmas Carol at the end of 2010. After the coupon it was $5 cheaper to get the 3D/BD/DVD/DC than it was to get the BD/DVD. I then sold the 3D disc by itself for almost $20.:D

Lee Stewart
01-13-2012, 03:41 PM
It would be interesting to know the % of 3D disc sales that were Disney. In 2011, Disney often included a $5 - $10 coupon on their 3D combo discs that made the 3D combo less expensive than the 2D discs. I know that I purchased 3D combos even though I don't own a 3D display because it was cheaper.

Here is the release schedule - shouldn't be too hard to figure you:

http://www.highdefforum.com/3d-movies-content-reviews/131037-3d-blu-ray-release-schedule.html

dsskid
01-13-2012, 03:44 PM
Wasn't looking for the release schedule, I was looking for $$ for disney's 3D discs.

Lee Stewart
01-13-2012, 03:49 PM
Wasn't looking for the release schedule, I was looking for $$ for disney's 3D discs.

That information is not available

soupnazi
01-15-2012, 11:02 AM
LOL - you could say the same thing about BD sales and the inclusion of a DVD in the ever popular Combo pack.You could also say the same thing about DVD sales in the DVD/BD/3D combos. So the sales numbers of any of these formats has no weight in any popularity argument.

Lee Stewart
01-15-2012, 01:25 PM
You could also say the same thing about DVD sales in the DVD/BD/3D combos. So the sales numbers of any of these formats has no weight in any popularity argument.

For most new releases, they still sell a DVD only release. That is not the case for BD and 3D BD.

soupnazi
01-15-2012, 05:26 PM
For most new releases, they still sell a DVD only release. That is not the case for BD and 3D BD.But they sell a BD without a 3D BD and some BDs with a 3D BD. The sales numbers are all inconclusive if you try to argue popularity of each format.

Lee Stewart
01-15-2012, 08:26 PM
But they sell a BD without a 3D BD and some BDs with a 3D BD. The sales numbers are all inconclusive if you try to argue popularity of each format.

Here is what was published . . . .

For 2011 3D BD sales were $5.7M, a 6X increase over 2010's 3D BD sales.

Now - you can make all the caveats and excuses and spin all you want - it doesn't change that.

TowerGrove
01-15-2012, 09:02 PM
If anyone thinks that 3D took a backseat at CES then I ask... were you at the same CES that I attended last week? When you walked into the central hall you saw a large multi story wall a hundred or more feet long. They had 3d glasses for everyone stepping into the hall. It was amazing. Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, the minor manufacturers even DTS gave you glasses for their demo room. While i was mostly happy with what I saw I was unhappy with the glasses free TVs the picture quality was not so good and the 3D seemed weak. Overall a good showing for the future of 3D.

soupnazi
01-16-2012, 03:06 AM
Here is what was published . . . .

For 2011 3D BD sales were $5.7M, a 6X increase over 2010's 3D BD sales.

Now - you can make all the caveats and excuses and spin all you want - it doesn't change that.I'm trying to take some of the spin out of it.

You do understand what we are trying to say though, right? It's uncertain how many 3d BD combo packs were bought for the 3d content. Especially when dealing with the accuracy of information gathered from the internet.

I can tell when you don't want to acknowledge something, you keep talking in circles.

HD Goofnut
01-16-2012, 08:54 AM
I'm trying to take some of the spin out of it.

You do understand what we are trying to say though, right? It's uncertain how many 3d BD combo packs were bought for the 3d content. Especially when dealing with the accuracy of information gathered from the internet.

I can tell when you don't want to acknowledge something, you keep talking in circles.

Oh come on soup you know Lee would never talk in circles.:rolleyes:

elwaylite
01-16-2012, 09:33 AM
I went and bought a nice 3DTV in early April, 4 sets of glasses and all that jazz. After about 4 months, I scrapped it mainly because of all the damn conversions.

I just picked up 2 new pair of glasses with the intent to try it again. A couple of folks I talk to online seem to be happy with whats been coming lately, even if they are conversions (I assumed the process would get better), so Im willing.

I dont feel it'll make it big though, I just dont see it yet. The conversion process still pisses me off, if you are gonna charge more for the disc AND more at the theater, at least film the damn thing in 3D...

I bought Polar Express yesterday, and have Hugo, Immortals and 3 Musketeers on preorder. We shall see.

Lee Stewart
01-16-2012, 10:06 AM
I'm trying to take some of the spin out of it.

You do understand what we are trying to say though, right? It's uncertain how many 3d BD combo packs were bought for the 3d content. Especially when dealing with the accuracy of information gathered from the internet.

I can tell when you don't want to acknowledge something, you keep talking in circles.

That follows the same question of how many BD combos are bought for the DVD and not the BD.

The answer is . . . no one knows

soupnazi
01-16-2012, 12:29 PM
That follows the same question of how many BD combos are bought for the DVD and not the BD.

The answer is . . . no one knows

Yes, exactly. Some of the numbers out there might give us an idea of some tendencies but it is usually exaggerated from actual for marketing purposes, one way or the other.

bruceames
01-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Yes, exactly. Some of the numbers out there might give us an idea of some tendencies but it is usually exaggerated from actual for marketing purposes, one way or the other.

3D is being packed with 2D Blu-ray/DVD to seed the market and to prop up sales. Also, if they were sold as a standalone product, sales would be so low that stores may not even bother to stock it.

Besides, if Blu-ray still needs help from DVD despite having a 24% market share, how could 3D stand on its own with a share a tiny fraction of that? ;)

By offering the 3D combo at only $5 more than the standard 2D combo, it creates a strong temptation for many to pick it up because it's the better value.