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Panasonic VIERA TC-P65ST30 vs Samsung PN64D7000

mike.lee423
04-08-2011, 12:53 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am in the market for a new television. I think I have narrowed my choices down to the following 2 TVs, Panasonic VIERA TC-P65ST30 vs Samsung PN64D7000. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Mike

dsskid
04-08-2011, 07:05 PM
No contest, Samsung pn64d7000

Wolfgangsooner
04-09-2011, 09:05 PM
No contest, Samsung pn64d7000 I have been in the market for a new plasma and have also come down to these two models(or maybe the 8000/GT30). I have read a few reviews on each and I'm aware of a few of the pros and cons of each. What is your reasoning for the "no contest" reply? Any other thoughts??

zxme
04-10-2011, 01:05 PM
Both your looking at are great choices, i have been a panny fan for awhile but just broke my cherrie with a new Sammy LCD. Great tv but when comparing the 2 i really cant decide on which is better, either one has good and bad things but dont kill yourself on the 2 your looking at. Either one will be a good choice.2660.00 on the sammy through amazon(pauls tv)

dsskid
04-10-2011, 05:18 PM
I have been in the market for a new plasma and have also come down to these two models(or maybe the 8000/GT30). I have read a few reviews on each and I'm aware of a few of the pros and cons of each. What is your reasoning for the "no contest" reply? Any other thoughts??The d7000 plasma has better color accuracy, gamma, and black levels than the st30, and no brightness flashing. Basically same panel as the d8000 plasma, with a few less bells and whistles. But get whichever one you like best. The st is not as good as the gt.

Wolfgangsooner
04-16-2011, 06:32 PM
Do you guys think the 65VT30 will be worth spending 1K more than a 64d7000?

dsskid
04-17-2011, 07:17 AM
Hard to say, no one has been able to buy or review a vt30 yet.

ImRizzo
04-17-2011, 07:51 AM
I wonder if the radioactive clouds will enhance the new plasma panels ?

Wolfgangsooner
04-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Hard to say, no one has been able to buy or review a vt30 yet.

I realize that...I'm just debating on pulling the trigger on the Samsung or waiting to see how the VT30 looks. I know I would feel better about either purchase if I wait and see what it looks like a couple months from now before buying. The wait becomes more difficult as time goes on.

ImRizzo
04-17-2011, 09:53 AM
I realize that...I'm just debating on pulling the trigger on the Samsung or waiting to see how the VT30 looks. I know I would feel better about either purchase if I wait and see what it looks like a couple months from now before buying. The wait becomes more difficult as time goes on.

The wait is a bitch, but having the satisfaction of knowing you've gotten the best trouble-free display makes the wait worth it. All too many times I've rushed out and jumped on the "newest" only to find out a little later on that there was something better, or they've discovered problems with the one I bought and more importantly a major price difference ....So now I patiently wait it out. I would hold off till Robert does his shootout and listen to the findings and results. IMO

eb314
04-17-2011, 09:14 PM
You might as well wait. Nobody knows if the VT will have the fluctuating brightness issues that some ST models (not mine thankfully) and most GT models suffer from. Some people are afraid that since the GT models have it worse than the ST, the VT could possibly suffer even worse than the GT.

By the way, the fluctuating brightness is going to be in all 2011 Panasonic plasmas. Supposedly this is inherent to their design. The problem is that it isn't supposed to be noticeable, but it is very noticeable on some units. We aren't sure if there will be a fix for this yet, but some have returned one or two sets until they got one without issue. I was lucky enough to get a good one on my first try (55ST30).

samsungGeek
04-18-2011, 11:45 AM
samsung all day baby!!

kharaa
04-18-2011, 01:07 PM
i'd go with the samsung, if it has the same panal as the D8000 Plasma.

the C8000 and the VT25 were so competative last year that this is a no brainer.

Loves2Watch
04-18-2011, 02:03 PM
I always choose Panasonic due to the higher than average failure/repair rate of Samsung TV's. Don't believe it, just look on the web, the proof is blatantly obvious.

dsskid
04-18-2011, 02:22 PM
Lots of issued being reported with the 2011 Panasonics.

ImRizzo
04-18-2011, 02:39 PM
I just don't understand how such companies with such High tech R&D depts cannot notice these failings before they release new products on the public. It's not like these are "Throwaway" sets they manufacture with little or no regard for the buying public...... Buy it now and we'll figure out how to fix it later, maybe ?

kharaa
04-18-2011, 04:09 PM
I always choose Panasonic due to the higher than average failure/repair rate of Samsung TV's. Don't believe it, just look on the web, the proof is blatantly obvious.

PFC5 before he passed, sometime after you had taken your hiatus from us had this disscussion with me, we looked at the reliability data, Samsung Plasma's had a 3 percent failure rate, where as Panasonic had a 2 percent failure rate.

Statistically unimportant, really.

That also does not account for the floating blacks and the rising blacks, that panasonic had.

The worst problem reported with samsungs 2010 plasmas was some sets had overly bad buzzing.

ImRizzo
04-18-2011, 04:23 PM
PFC5 before he passed, sometime after you had taken your hiatus from us had this disscussion with me, we looked at the reliability data, Samsung Plasma's had a 3 percent failure rate, where as Panasonic had a 2 percent failure rate.

Statistically unimportant, really.

That also does not account for the floating blacks and the rising blacks, that panasonic had.

The worst problem reported with samsungs 2010 plasmas was some sets had overly bad buzzing.

Samsung had a major issue 2 yrs ago with the "crop Circles" anomaly, which they blatantly denied and refused to address although another forum had 2 heavily dedicated threads to this problem and yet Samsung said there was no such issue, Eventually on of their senior service techs acknowledged it and he and another tech director addressed the problem and they put out an firmware addressing the problem but Samsung itself as a corporation totally denied the problem and even went so far as to Chastise the parties would had assisted in creating the firmware and then stopped distribution of that model immediately and refused to discuss it further. They refused to acknowledge it's existence and even went as far as refusing to send out service techs saying it was a fabricated problem. Thankfully the people suffering with the problem had passed around the disc with the necessary firmware to correct it. And for that reason I do not promote their products regardless of it's current quality.

dsskid
04-18-2011, 05:17 PM
Well Rizz, if we use that Samsung situation as a guide, then the fact that Panasonic refused to acknowledge and fix the black level rise in 2009 & 2010, in so far as to actually call it "a feature", and then having floating blacks added to the mix in 2010, we really shouldn't be promoting Panasonics either.

ImRizzo
04-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Well Rizz, if we use that Samsung situation as a guide, then the fact that Panasonic refused to acknowledge and fix the black level rise in 2009 & 2010, in so far as to actually call it "a feature", and then having floating blacks added to the mix in 2010, we really shouldn't be promoting Panasonics either.

Agreed but the crop cirlces rendered those sets unviewable but still I do agree with you, It's a shame the average consumer has no recourse in these incidents and are at the mercy of the manufacturers.

smurillo21
04-18-2011, 06:01 PM
How does the GT30 compare to the D7000?
Which on would you say is better between those two?

kharaa
04-18-2011, 06:02 PM
I'd say the D7000.

Ty819
04-18-2011, 08:36 PM
Lots of issued being reported with the 2011 Panasonics.

Agreed. The floating whites/brightness on the 2011 Panasonics that are inherent to their design are really disappointing. The other discouraging thing is that samsung seems to have joined the inherent defect party this year by adding their own floating blacks. Even more than usual, it seems to be a year of pick your poison.

zxme
04-18-2011, 08:48 PM
Have both panny and samsung, like both. Some channels look better than others, Cant compare both in problems as both can have bugs. But neither has had any probs. Ever buy a car you had to have and a year later didnt really like it? Same can happen with your new purchase.

easydvd
04-18-2011, 10:11 PM
If i were to choose to both, i will go for samsung ;)

smurillo21
04-18-2011, 11:10 PM
I'd say the D7000.

Yeah I guess I'll go with the 59' Samsung. Plus it's cheaper and I get to have two Glasses along with it and I have a PS3 so I'm set.

Thanks

Loves2Watch
04-19-2011, 12:25 AM
PFC5 before he passed, sometime after you had taken your hiatus from us had this disscussion with me, we looked at the reliability data, Samsung Plasma's had a 3 percent failure rate, where as Panasonic had a 2 percent failure rate.

Statistically unimportant, really.

That also does not account for the floating blacks and the rising blacks, that panasonic had.

The worst problem reported with samsungs 2010 plasmas was some sets had overly bad buzzing.

Not unimportant as Samsung sells many more TV's, that 3% represents a much larger portion of the population.

Secondly, the IR issues Samsung continues to exhibit are almost non-existent with Panasonic plasmas...

Thirdly, Samsungs customer service/support is the absolute worst.

dsskid
04-19-2011, 04:56 AM
Agreed but the crop cirlces rendered those sets unviewable but still I do agree with you, It's a shame the average consumer has no recourse in these incidents and are at the mercy of the manufacturers.

Unfortunately, until consumers start demanding quality again over price (not that $3,000 is cheap by any means) this will be the norm.

I really thought 2011 would be the year where Panasonics and Samsungs shined, but it appears product testing and quality control seems to have gone by the wasteside.

Whatever happened to the days where you bought a new TV, brought it home, plugged it in, and IT WORKED PROPERLY? What a novel concept that seems to be getting lost these days.

Maybe some of this can be rectified with firmware upgrades, but based on both manufacturers' actions in the past, and Panasonic's habit of labeling their products defects as "features", I wouldn't hold my breath. It's as if once they have your money, they don't care about performance. That goes for BOTH Samsung AND Panasonic.

Getting back to the OP, since not all the 2011 models have been actually shipped and reviewed, based on 2010 models, I would expect the Samsung D550 would be comparable to the Panasonic ST30, the Samsung D6500would be comparable to the Panasonic GT30, and the Samsung D7000/D8000 more comparable to the Panasonic VT30.

Some problems being reported:

Panasonic....Fluctuating brightness (inherent to the design), poor gamma. Has the rising blacks and floating blacks of 2010 been rectified? Only time will tell.
Samsung....Cinema Smooth bug (lighter blacks when 24P engaged) not yet fixed and come reports of floating blacks.


Again, since not all have been released and reviewed yet, it's not definitive.

Most important thing to do....go look at them and watch them for a while. See what looks good to YOU.

Wolfgangsooner
04-19-2011, 06:08 AM
Secondly, the IR issues Samsung continues to exhibit are almost non-existent with Panasonic plasmas...



I have IR/Burn-in on my 54G20 that has been there for about 3 months now. Don't think it is going away. The IR was likely my fault and would have happened on any plasma. Panasonic can suffer from it too is all I'm saying. http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/126152-temporary-image-retention-afraid-not.html

Wolfgangsooner
04-19-2011, 06:10 AM
Sounds like my money would be best served staying where it is...in my pocket and in the bank. I say that now...I will have a new display within a couple months.

kharaa
04-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Not unimportant as Samsung sells many more TV's, that 3% represents a much larger portion of the population.

i'm pretty sure that panasonic outsells samsung on plasma, and the statistics were broken down seperating LCD and plasma.

Secondly, the IR issues Samsung continues to exhibit are almost non-existent with Panasonic plasmas...

Not true, it would take me a while but i could find you SEVERAL threads posted for 2010 about panasonic severe IR or burn in, all from mild gaming sessions.

Or how about the poor guy that had FIVE panasonics go bad on him, 4 G25's and a GT25

Maybe in the past panasonic stood above the rest, as of late? no they don't.

Thirdly, Samsungs customer service/support is the absolute worst.

I've never had any of my samsung products go bad, so i have no comment; i couldn't comment on their customer service one way or another.

Loves2Watch
04-19-2011, 01:51 PM
Wear your Samsung blinders and believe what you will. The info I posted is fact not just some Panny fanboy crap. As I am a consultant to many manufacturers groups the data I am privy to is not available to the general public.

zxme
04-19-2011, 03:21 PM
I will fix this.
SOME SAMSUNGS SUCK AND SOME PANASONICS SUCK...

kharaa
04-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Wear your Samsung blinders and believe what you will. The info I posted is fact not just some Panny fanboy crap. As I am a consultant to many manufacturers groups the data I am privy to is not available to the general public.

if you have information that would somehow enlighten us, please post it L2W.

Otherwise, you telling me to wear my Samsung blinders is rather ironic.

You can find the information here on the forums for everything i've stated.

Loves2Watch
04-19-2011, 04:26 PM
I will fix this.
SOME SAMSUNGS SUCK AND SOME PANASONICS SUCK...

You got it...

Loves2Watch
04-19-2011, 04:29 PM
if you have information that would somehow enlighten us, please post it L2W.

Otherwise, you telling me to wear my Samsung blinders is rather ironic.

You can find the information here on the forums for everything i've stated.

Contractual obligations do not allow me to post that data. Do you think companies like Samsung and Panasonic, for that matter really want the public to know? Hardly...

mfrey0118
05-02-2011, 10:26 AM
I've owned a ST30 for about 260 hours now and I think it's an excellent panel. No fluctuating brightness, stable deep blacks, and great PQ...

Loves2Watch
05-02-2011, 11:10 AM
I've owned a ST30 for about 260 hours now and I think it's an excellent panel. No fluctuating brightness, stable deep blacks, and great PQ...

Glad to hear it, happy watching...

mfrey0118
05-03-2011, 06:37 AM
Glad to hear it, happy watching...

Why thank you! Oh, I forgot to mention I followed the D Nice panel prep method...and I have been running the slides every couple of days after hitting 100 hr mark for 3-6 hours at a time just to keep my phosphors honest...

ImRizzo
05-03-2011, 06:48 AM
Why thank you! Oh, I forgot to mention I followed the D Nice panel prep method...and I have been running the slides every couple of days after hitting 100 hr mark for 3-6 hours at a time just to keep my phosphors honest...

Nothing beats an honest phosphor. ......LOL

millwork400
05-03-2011, 09:18 PM
I will never own another Crapsung product of any kind. Had too many problems with my LCD. Total and complete junk.

Wolfgangsooner
05-05-2011, 07:05 PM
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50st30/4505-6482_7-34468791.html?tag=latestReviews#reviewPage1